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wopke
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 20 on 7/6/2009 8:07 AM >
| | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder Mammut Auto-Locking Carabiner. http://i214.photob.../Gear/autolock.jpg *note: it's too wide to fit securely onto the "bolt ladders" the smaller lattice/monopole cell towers employ. Here is my general gear setup. It all fits into my L.L.Bean Escape pack; and there is still room for my camera and lenses; and the entire front compartment to spare. http://i214.photob...ear/fallarrest.jpg
2 10' sections of 9mm static line. 5 carabiners: 2 auto-locking, 3 screw-locking; 1 spare. 1 OSHA-Cert climbing harness; with Front, Back, and 2 Side D-rings. 1 40' section of 11mm static line. Close up of my lanyard: http://i214.photob...r/Gear/lanyard.jpg I tie the two ends together using a double fisherman's and then tie a figure eight in each end. The silver 'biner hooks to me, the auto-lock to my anchor. I don't always carry the 40" or my harness. But I like to keep the 9mm static line and 'biners in my pack at all times; it adds less than 1lb to my weight and you never know when having that little bit of rope will come in handy.
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thnx for sharing man!
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dsankt
Location: live and in the fresh
| | | | Re: rope work <Reply # 21 on 7/6/2009 8:39 AM >
| | | Did I read wrong or is the lanyard made from static line?
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work <Reply # 22 on 7/6/2009 3:27 PM >
| | | Posted by dsankt Did I read wrong or is the lanyard made from static line?
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My lanyard? Yes. Dynamic/Static doesn't matter because if I'm going to fall it's only going to be an arm's length away. It's to anchor me when I need to stop and rest, or maneuver through a tight gap. I don't use full attachment anyways unless I'm exhausted and I want to climb anyways. I prefer the fall protection harness to the basic climbing harness because it's gentler on my balls. If you want professional fall protection equipment. http://www.thesafe...tion-supplies.html Their ebay store is cheaper http://stores.shop...1QQ_fromZQQ_sasiZ1 The "MSA ROSE Pullover 415491" is the model harness I have. I find the harness takes a lot of the fear and fun out of climbing though. I've had it with me; but haven't been using it as much as I was before.
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wopke
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 23 on 7/7/2009 9:05 AM >
| | | Ok, so yesterday I bought 2 petzl slings and 2 extra biners. This gives in total 4 biners, 2 slings and my regular climbing harness. I'm just kind of amazed on how thin these slings are. I've got the 120cm one.
besides this I've also got a figure 8 and a grigri. I'll use one sling to attach myself to the steel cable and the other to hold on to the rail as I walk down the arm. Any other tips/suggestions? I was also very close on buying 20 meters of static rope, but eventually I passed on it. Not sure if I'm going to need that.
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wopke
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 25 on 7/7/2009 1:21 PM >
| | | Posted by junkyard Well you don't want to fall on static......
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it doesnt bounce?
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1vertical1
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 26 on 7/7/2009 2:00 PM >
| | | Without something dynamic in the system, it breaks or you break.
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wopke
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 27 on 7/7/2009 2:10 PM >
| | | Posted by 1vertical1 Without something dynamic in the system, it breaks or you break.
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hmmm... Ok so a static rope isnt the same as a climbing rope? A climbing rope is a dynamic rope then? Just to make sure Because I was planning to buy a climbing rope (which I thought was the same as a static rope). My English sucks more than I thought. Apologies guys.
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blacklines
Location: the red stick. Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 28 on 7/7/2009 2:19 PM >
| | | Posted by wopke
hmmm... Ok so a static rope isnt the same as a climbing rope? A climbing rope is a dynamic rope then? Just to make sure Because I was planning to buy a climbing rope (which I thought was the same as a static rope). My English sucks more than I thought. Apologies guys.
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A static rope has no (or very little measurable) "give" in it. That is to say, if you fall on it, it will not stretch. Static ropes are almost exclusively used for ascending with prusiks or other mechanical devices, or descending via rappel. A dynamic rope offers fall protection because of the give that it has, this is what you likely know as a "climbing rope." Which type you buy depends heavily on your application.
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1vertical1
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 29 on 7/7/2009 3:04 PM >
| | | I'll 2nd that. As long as the use of your gear will most likely not involve a fall with any slack in the system the static is the way to go. If a fall with slack is likely then you will want something dynamic (rope or screamers).
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wopke
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 30 on 7/7/2009 3:14 PM >
| | | Thnx for explaining. I guess my slings are more static then huh? Because when a fall occurs it will only be a feet or 2.
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1vertical1
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 31 on 7/7/2009 3:32 PM >
| | | Very static.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work <Reply # 32 on 7/7/2009 4:16 PM >
| | | Posted by wopke Thnx for explaining. I guess my slings are more static then huh? Because when a fall occurs it will only be a feet or 2.
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Static line is okay to use for short fall protection. My lanyards are only an arms length so in the event of a slip; I'm only going to fall to a point where I can reach anyways. And the whiplash won't be that bad; if there's any at all. If you needed to do a fast descent (escape) down the side of the crane; that's when you would want the static rope. If you plan on climbing on and climbing back down ... then the longer rope is unnecessary. I keep the 40' of static line with me in case I need to do a self rescue. Most ropes course rope used is dynamic because of the likelihood of a fall.
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Emma Peel
Location: Ahowah Gender: Female
Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 33 on 7/9/2009 3:52 AM >
| | | Posted by junkyard The ascenders he uses are next to impossible to hook up backwards.
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Well, whatever happened, they figured out that something was fucked up about 2 feet after the person after me got up it, fixed it for them, and then they were happy and fast. I'd never used so much effort to ascend, before... And the falling asleep? After I got to the top, I passed out sitting up. I don't know how you survive living so close to the TC. One day in that place wears me out for 2 weeks.
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loops
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 34 on 7/11/2009 1:26 PM >
| | | Good thread. Cowstails. I read everything I could and concluded dynamic, with barrel knots (half a double fisherman's) on the crabs. This has the scoop: http://www.hse.gov.../2001/crr01364.pdf I use a boring rock harness with the matching BDEL Vario chest harness, and the long cowstail passed up through the chest crab. I like a Petzl MGO scaff hook. Huge and heavy, but single-handed auto-locking attachment to anything smaller than your fist. Slings, I feel a lot more confident hanging off a chunky Nylon one than those skinny Dyneema/Spectra ones up there ^, no matter how much the label says 22kN. Word on the street sounds like even if they're the same strength, Nylon is more abrasion and kink resistant, plus you can tie knots in it if you have to. How a doubled-up skinny one compares toughness vs. possible friction issues-wise I'm not sure. All that said, Junkyard hints at an excellent point up there wth the keeping things simple. Don't try and protect every step of the way with fucking slings wrapped around ladder rungs and crabs in each hand and a rope-solo system and a Grigri in your teeth. Grab hold of the damn steel and watch where your feet are going and just don't bloody fall off. Sure, it feels scarier but that's just your brainstem trying to keep you alive, which is a job it's pretty good at, better than a bunch of space-age aid and pro, probably. If you slip because you're hanging on with one elbow trying to wrap a sling around a beam, you're probably going to crunch some part of you faster than if you've got both hands and feet and a clear head, is my thinking. In the grand scheme of things I don't think most of us here are pushing real boundaries - go watch Man On Wire or check out what Alain Robert and Dan Goodwin are up to... then climb a jib Case in point: I started up this with slings around the bars. Got stressed after about four moves and switched to the MGO on my long cowstail to the load cable above me. All limbs for climbing, much happier: [last edit 7/11/2009 1:30 PM by loops - edited 1 times]
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wopke
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 35 on 7/13/2009 9:02 AM >
| | | Sweet picture. Well, I still did not have the time to take pictures of the crane. But the arm has a walkway on it, so no climbing for me, just keeping a hold on the steel rails. I'll take the two slings, regular climbing harness, and 4 biners. That will be all. Hook myself up on to the steel cable and I've got all my limbs to do the walk across the arm. Should be no problem really. Thnx for the advice anyway
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: rope work <Reply # 36 on 7/21/2009 6:04 PM >
| | | I get in places where even my static will have about 10 ft of stretch. Last one was a 120 ft rappel and 17% Oxygen. That was a workout. Not the going down part, the other one. I would not want to think what that would be like on dynamic.
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1vertical1
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 37 on 7/22/2009 1:50 PM >
| | | If you are getting 10ft of stretch on a 120ft of rope out then you have a dynamic rope. And that would be an incredible amount og stretch for a dynamic rope, considering they have only about 6% stretch.
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: rope work <Reply # 38 on 7/22/2009 1:56 PM >
| | | Posted by 1vertical1 If you are getting 10ft of stretch on a 120ft of rope out then you have a dynamic rope. And that would be an incredible amount og stretch for a dynamic rope, considering they have only about 6% stretch.
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...under static load, i.e. just putting your body weight on it. In a fall most dynamic climbing ropes can stretch around 30%
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: rope work <Reply # 39 on 7/22/2009 4:03 PM >
| | | You'd be wrong, it's the 11.6 Bluewater Assault Line. When you're ascending and have 40-50 lbs of gear on they stretch. That's almost 200 lbs and I move going up. That turns it into 400 real quick. 120 ft and the 10 to the anchor works out to 7.7%, which sounds about right to me. Even my winch cables stretch a few inches under load, that's steel.
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