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Location: Drainwhale hunting
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<Reply # 101 on 3/10/2010 4:58 PM >
|  | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
It takes me about 20 minutes to turn 50' of rope into a 12' ladder.
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Posted by shotgun mario
I've got a 25' rope ladder based on this design. Took about 2 hours to turn 100' of it.
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Damn, I must be doing it wrong. I only got 10' from 75' of rope.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 103 on 3/10/2010 5:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by shotgun mario
my rungs are about 18" apart (uses upper body strength to pull up instead of lower to stand up, which saves on lots of unnecessary rope), and are about 6" wide, I think it was either 10 or 12 loops around with either 1/2" or 5/8" rope.
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That's probably it. I was using 12-14 loops (so wader boots foot nicely) and closer to 14" spacing.
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 105 on 3/10/2010 8:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by trent
That's probably it. I was using 12-14 loops (so wader boots foot nicely) and closer to 14" spacing.
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I tied two stretches of 25 foot $3.56 walmart rope together at the top with a figure 8, 10 loops per step, 6 steps in the ladder, just enough to fit one sneaker.
I retied the first one because the loops were too uneven and made it difficult.
Right now they're for friends who don't have ascension gear, toss a nerf vortex + camo cord up and over, tie rope to cord, pull rope up, tie off, ascend up, hook rope ladder to ladder; friends get up.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 106 on 3/10/2010 8:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
I tied two stretches of 25 foot $3.56 walmart rope together at the top with a figure 8, 10 loops per step, 6 steps in the ladder, just enough to fit one sneaker.
I retied the first one because the loops were too uneven and made it difficult.
Right now they're for friends who don't have ascension gear, toss a nerf vortex + camo cord up and over, tie rope to cord, pull rope up, tie off, ascend up, hook rope ladder to ladder; friends get up.
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Yah, I've used the loops before too. I'm going to try using this ladder in a unique little spot. In an outfall that's only exposed in the winter, inside there's an upper tunnel about 10' off the ground. But there is a manhole in this junction room too and we're just going to tie the ladder I made to some ladder rugs and lower it down.
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Ikaros
Location: Dallas, TX
Gender: Male
| | Re: rope work
<Reply # 107 on 4/12/2010 8:56 PM >
| | | | Just as a follow up to that rope ladder...you guys are just using regular old rope? Nothing fancy like expensive climbing rope etc?
I saw some rope that was rated for like 560lbs, but it specifically said not to be used for anything bearing human weight, so I avoided it...
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<Reply # 108 on 4/13/2010 4:35 AM >
| | | | Rope/cable ladders can be a real hassle to use. You might want to consider just getting a harness and ascenders to make a Frog type ascending system. They're pretty easy to use, energy efficient and safe (two points of attachment to the rope). Add some good rope, a descender and a few slings and carabiners and it'll open up tons of places that would otherwise be inaccessible.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 109 on 4/13/2010 6:22 AM >
| | | | Rope ladders are a pain in the ass, yes, and making a good one takes a lot of time. I can turn 50ft of rope into a 12ft rope ladder with 10 loops per step in about 20 minutes. It's not for me but less ascend/rappel ready explorers.
And as for the "not rated for weight" that has to do with the rope not being able to be used for falls you're not going to fall on a rope ladder, and it's passable for SRT. When the braided rope gets too shredded for my liking I toss it and buy more.
The rope I use is 3/8" braided utility line ( working weight 185lbs ). It's held through a bunch of tree climbs and a couple water tanks...
This picture was taken after we did the climb and I was going back up to unhook the rope ladder because I stupidly went down first and had to go back up after my buddy made it down.
Ladder is situated about 25' up.
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terapr0
Location: Sauga City
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 110 on 4/13/2010 7:56 AM >
| | | | just out of curiosity....how'd ya get back down?
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Location: DunkarooLand
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 111 on 4/13/2010 10:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by terapr0
just out of curiosity....how'd ya get back down?
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ATC / Figure 8. I'm actually ascending up it using a croll and ascension.
That night I ascended up that rope three times and twice the week before. I had to go back down to help my friends try and get up and then we forgot I was supposed to go down second. I didn't need the rope ladder, mi amigos did.
And truthfully that night I failed at descending twice:
The first time that night I made the noob mistake of panicking and pulling up on the rope ATC. My mind went blank as I called out to my friends below me who were too far away to move in for the catch ... and then I stepped up my game my brain literally sorted through hundreds of thousands of useless bits of trivia in a few split seconds and landed on this sentence:
Posted by musket boy
the way an atc works is with the tail going straight up theres no friction and yo pretty much freefall, bring the tail horizontal and you slow down, pull the tail straight down and you stop
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I yanked the rope down
The second time going down my F8 got twisted around and inverted (another noob mistake) so I free fell and braked myself with my hands landing evenly on both feet melted a pair of gloves.
Maybe I was wrong about that Grigri afterall.
The problem was the rope was positioned on the last ladder strut and I had to drop down onto the rope because the way I had positioned my descender my brake hand was conflicting with the direction the rope was going and I had to hang down with one hand and drop down and lock down my descender at the same time.
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Therrin
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| |  | Re: rope work
<Reply # 112 on 4/13/2010 10:48 PM >
| | | | It kinda sounds like ya'll are making this a little more difficult than it needs to be.....
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 113 on 4/13/2010 11:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
It kinda sounds like ya'll are making this a little more difficult than it needs to be.....
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Very much so.
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Dougo
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Location: Victoria, Australia
Gender: Male
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 114 on 4/14/2010 11:12 AM >
| | | | Sorry, didn't have time to read the thread.
Yeah, I dig rope work.
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<Reply # 115 on 4/18/2010 3:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
The problem was the rope was positioned on the last ladder strut and I had to drop down onto the rope because the way I had positioned my descender my brake hand was conflicting with the direction the rope was going and I had to hang down with one hand and drop down and lock down my descender at the same time.
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Learn to lock off your descender with a mule knot, then you can climb down with both hands free, sit down hanging on the rope, then undo the knot and descend. Or at least wrap the rope around your leg a bunch of times...
Personally I use a Grigri because I like that I can use it as a chest ascender, but everyone seems to be using 9mm ropes now, which are a little worrying with it.
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Location: DunkarooLand
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 116 on 4/18/2010 3:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by loops
Learn to lock off your descender with a mule knot, then you can climb down with both hands free, sit down hanging on the rope, then undo the knot and descend. Or at least wrap the rope around your leg a bunch of times...
Personally I use a Grigri because I like that I can use it as a chest ascender, but everyone seems to be using 9mm ropes now, which are a little worrying with it.
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http://www.spadout...ndex.php/Mule_Knot
Check.
Funny you should bring that up for my 22nd birthday I'm asking for 200' of 3/8' (9mm) static or Grigri from my parents, haven't decided which yet.
http://www.nettech...rnmantle-Rope.html
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Therrin
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 117 on 4/20/2010 6:11 AM >
| | | | 7/16ths ftw... and works alot better with the mechanical rope devices.
On our trip this last weekend we had close to a thousand feet of rope, and everything always works with all the 7/16ths inch stuff. In a pinch one of the guys only had some smaller diameter line and we were crawling up out of a 20ft winze between two horizontal drifts in a mine, and it was a little freaky because the mechanical stuff really doesn't grab and cam into the smaller diameter stuff as ... sturdily, as it does the regular sizes.
It still worked, but I kept getting the feeling that if I slipped and tugged on it hard that it was gonna jam up through the cam.
Grigri would be a sweet thing to ask for.
After having used the "frog" system on this trip, I ascended 160ft in just under 5 mins (which included a stop for water, and a stop for picture taking).
It's an amazingly efficient system, I was jugging right up the line with no trouble at all and I was already dead tired as it was the end of the trip and we had been in that mine for 7 hrs already.
I'm gonna get a Croll, torse, speleagyca, and double-footloop to add to my system so I can ascend that way now primarily for SRT. It's just way to sweet.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 118 on 4/20/2010 10:40 PM >
| | | | 7/16" is too cumbersome for those ninja missions ;)
Trust me, if I thought I could get by with 8mm, I would.
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Therrin
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<Reply # 119 on 4/20/2010 11:19 PM >
| | | | 7/16ths tied in a mountaineering coil and worn like a sash is amazingly feasible for me. But I'm a lanky/tall guy, so maybe it just doesn't bother me at all.
Make sure you USE whatever mechanical stuff you're planning on trying on 3/8ths before you actually have to go do something with it =P
Yeah, I know, its simple advice; but after the last several trips I've been convinced that people like to buy things and then never test them out until they get on-location; which is when they find all the problems.
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