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Location: North of Chicago, IL
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 |  |  | Re: rope work
<Reply # 160 on 4/29/2010 7:50 PM >
|  | | | If your harness has an opening for you to clip around the main webbing on the harness, or a top clip loop, or even a rear vertical haul loop w/ carabiner.... you can use the Torse (by petzl) which is specially made to work with the Croll.
Yes, you can tie your own.... But it isnt as convenient or adjustable as using a Torse, and they really don't cost very much. Plus, the Torse you can loosen when not in use, but leave it hooked up so it isn't straining your shoulders, and then just pull the tab and tighten it for when you want to use the Croll.
Just sayin =)
Glad to hear you got some new gear though!
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uLiveAndYouBurn
  
Location: Beyond
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<Reply # 161 on 4/29/2010 9:11 PM >
| | | | I like to just use a sling as a chest harness since I can use it for other things like a tether when walking crane jibs.
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<Reply # 162 on 4/30/2010 4:50 AM >
| | | | I second the torse actually, the spelegyca on the otherhand, that's a waste of money, I have a sling I bought for that purpose at a quarter of the price.
Side note: you can use the croll with an H harness, not as conveniently as the torse but you can.
Another walmart find of mine were
These $2.99 Mallion Rapide Quick Link connectors. I have replaced most of the bulky carabiners in my ascension setup with these, they're rated for "1850 lbs" and are intended to be used with steel chains and dog leads so I figure I'm more than good there in the SRT setup.
I keep two biners one in the back for easy detachment of the torse and one to attach the sling that goes from my Ascension to to my tie in. The two quick links are placed one in the front on the croll, and one on to attach the Ascension to the sling.
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Therrin
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 163 on 4/30/2010 6:31 AM >
| | | | Good call on the mallions. I'ma switch to those for that rig also because of their slimmer profile, and since I know that system will always be connected that specific way now.
OpenTrackRacker knows that I've been using my own tied slings up till now... I just like the spelegyca for this because its SOO simple, and so low profile. Very little to snag on stuff or hook around anything cuz its just a strap thats designed just for doing this, and its made very ruggedly.
Going to a park tomorrow morning where there's some big trees supposedly. Gonna try my system out while I'm there!!! =)
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
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<Reply # 164 on 5/8/2010 8:51 PM >
| | | | NSFW!
Fun on rope.
NSFW!
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pelican369
 
Location: Glenville, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 165 on 5/8/2010 8:55 PM >
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hahahahahhaha
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
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<Reply # 167 on 5/25/2010 4:20 PM >
| | | | Just a possibly stupid question, but when you guys are going up for the first time on a structure, how in the hell do you get the ropes up, and then down when you're done?? Read this entire thread and there was no mention of it.
Thanks in advance.
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digital_me
Location: Colorado
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When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 168 on 5/25/2010 4:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
Just a possibly stupid question, but when you guys are going up for the first time on a structure, how in the hell do you get the ropes up, and then down when you're done?? Read this entire thread and there was no mention of it.
Thanks in advance.
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If you're SRTing up something then you have to get the rope up somehow...either because you already came down it earlier (i.e. a shaft) or you get the rope up there. I've seen like a nerf football with a length of cord tied to it then tied to the rope so you could try something like that.
Either that or you just lead climb and place pro as you go
Edit: and if you're coming down hopefully you constructed your anchor in such a way that you can just pull the rope through when you get down.
[last edit 5/25/2010 4:42 PM by digital_me - edited 1 times]
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
| | Re: rope work
<Reply # 169 on 5/25/2010 5:16 PM >
| | | | [/quote]Posted by digital_me
| If you're SRTing up something then you have to get the rope up somehow...either because you already came down it earlier (i.e. a shaft) or you get the rope up there. I've seen like a nerf football with a length of cord tied to it then tied to the rope so you could try something like that. |
Yeah I was kinda meaning SRTing, but when you're shooting for someting around ~150 ft, how could you possibly throw high enough to get it up there?
| Either that or you just lead climb and place pro as you go |
How would one put pro up on something like for instance, a flat surface (tanker just for example)
| Edit: and if you're coming down hopefully you constructed your anchor in such a way that you can just pull the rope through when you get down. |
Meaning you would have it looped at the top so that when you came down, you could just untie it at the bottom and pull the rope down?
Sorry again for the noob questions. I ordered "On Rope", so hopefully that will help me understand more, I just was curious how this specific thing worked.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 170 on 5/25/2010 5:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
Just a possibly stupid question, but when you guys are going up for the first time on a structure, how in the hell do you get the ropes up, and then down when you're done?? Read this entire thread and there was no mention of it.
Thanks in advance.
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Up and over, then tie one end off, when you're done just untie and pull down.
I use camo cord and a modified nerf vortex for the job, also figured out we had to add a carabiner for drop weight so the cord lowers as the football is not heavy enough on it's own, extra weight makes it easier to throw too.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 171 on 5/25/2010 5:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
Yeah I was kinda meaning SRTing, but when you're shooting for someting around ~150 ft, how could you possibly throw high enough to get it up there?
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You can't, it's not distance but gravity that is the problem. Nerf vortexes can go 50 yards no problem.
Generally you never have to go that high to get up most things ... a ladder may be 25' or 50' off the ground which is about the limits of doable using my method.
Um, Crossbow?
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
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<Reply # 172 on 5/25/2010 7:59 PM >
| | | | Assuming you meant Para cord, when you said "camo cord"?
And that's fine. You answered my question for shorter heights to get up to ladders. Maybe someone else can chime in on higher heights, and how to retrieve your rappelling gear after you have descended.
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Location: DunkarooLand
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I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 173 on 5/25/2010 10:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
Assuming you meant Para cord, when you said "camo cord"?
And that's fine. You answered my question for shorter heights to get up to ladders. Maybe someone else can chime in on higher heights, and how to retrieve your rappelling gear after you have descended.
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Walmart sells "camo cord" 50' for $1.50 with a 30lb breaking strength ... guess it'd be the same thing.
Rigging up a pull through system is the most effective way to retrieve your gear.
Higher heights would require something like a crossbow to launch a bolt up and over with fishing line attached at one end. I have never seen or heard of it done outside of concept.
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: rope work
<Reply # 174 on 5/25/2010 11:48 PM >
| | | | Actually I've heard a small sack with a weight launched from one of those water balloon slingshots can go pretty damn high. This requires three people though, two to hole each side of the slingshot and a third to pull it back.
"Aint nothin' to it but to do it"
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
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<Reply # 175 on 5/26/2010 4:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Walmart sells "camo cord" 50' for $1.50 with a 30lb breaking strength ... guess it'd be the same thing.
Rigging up a pull through system is the most effective way to retrieve your gear.
Higher heights would require something like a crossbow to launch a bolt up and over with fishing line attached at one end. I have never seen or heard of it done outside of concept.
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"pull through system"?
Don't have my book yet.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: rope work
<Reply # 176 on 5/27/2010 2:59 AM >
| | | | The highest I've done is 80' with a bow+arrow and fishing line. Then pulled up paracord, and followed that with a real rope.
As far as pull-through systems: Get a strong metal ring (or a biner). Tie the climbing rope to one end with your favorite knot (backed up doubled figure 8)! Tie a small cord to the other side of the metal ring. Now pass the climbing rope around your anchor and through your ring, like a slip-knot.
This lets you Rap/ascend the main rope, and then from the ground you can remove your weight from the climbing rope and pull it all down by pulling on the para cord.
There is an advanced technique I want to try using climbing hook. You tie paracord to a small hole in the top of the hook and then you can pull it down like that, but it can bounce out if you're not smooth, unlike the pull-through system.
Or, if you have extra rope, just go through your anchor and tie to something on the ground. TBH, that's what I usually end up doing.
Edit: It's a great book, you'll love it.
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Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| | | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 177 on 5/28/2010 4:31 AM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
Just a possibly stupid question, but when you guys are going up for the first time on a structure, how in the hell do you get the ropes up, and then down when you're done?? Read this entire thread and there was no mention of it.
Thanks in advance.
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The ultimate tool for this is the throwlines and slingshots what pro tree climbers use:
http://www.sherril...w-Line-and-Weights
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Therrin
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| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 178 on 5/28/2010 9:56 AM >
| | | | Ahhh, people are finally looking at Sherrill's site, great!
They sell the "Big Shot" which is basically a huge slingshot. My arborist associates in this and other countries have put throwbags and throwlines over 200' using that. And you can get a "trigger" for it, alot of people have gotten to be very accurate with it.
I was never much into using crossbows or nerf balls, I went right to business and hand loaded some 12ga shells with a half load of powder, and a wad, but no lead shot. Boosting rounds. Then drilled a baseball and epoxy'd in a dowel, which is attatched to a throwline. The dowel slides down inside the shotgun barrel.
When you shoot it, it will send the baseball/line zinging straight wherever you were pointing. I've been a little sketchy at upping the powder load, but I've gotten up past 120' with it as is. Thinking about trying a golfball instead.
A few pics of my setup, and one of my test fire system.
Oh and no, I dont live in that trailer anymore. I got tired of it eventually cuz it wasn't high enough inside for me to stand up all the way. Grrrr....
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 179 on 5/28/2010 1:03 PM >
| | | | Interesting, too noisy for 95% of things around here.
But I've shot sparklers out of air rifles before though, they go 200' easy...ideas.
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"Go all the way or walk away"
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