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 Therrin
    
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 180 on 5/28/2010 1:16 PM >
|  | | | Yeah it was never really much help with placing lines in urban trees, middle of a neighborhood or anything. LOL
But out in the country areas it works VERY well. I ask my clients if they mind if I use it and they're always like "No go right ahead, I gotta see this!" hah.
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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DJ Craig
      
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Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
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<Reply # 181 on 5/28/2010 5:38 PM >
|  | | | "But officer, I was just using this shotgun to get a throwline over the bottom rung of that ladder up there!" 
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
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<Reply # 182 on 6/2/2010 9:39 PM >
| | | | so what about getting your rigging DOWN? I pretty much understood how to get stuff up. But say you have something you are rappelling down from. When you're down, how the hell do you get your rope off of whatever you were attached to at the top??
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
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<Reply # 183 on 6/2/2010 9:40 PM >
| | | | Its pretty simple, if you wanna pull it down you either need to double the rope over the anchor point or rig a hook or other release device with some string or 550 cord.
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
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<Reply # 184 on 6/3/2010 1:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by uLiveAndYouBurn
Its pretty simple, if you wanna pull it down you either need to double the rope over the anchor point or rig a hook or other release device with some string or 550 cord.
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Guess I'd need a picture, unless the book explains it. I sort of know what you mean, but this is all a learning experience.
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
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<Reply # 185 on 6/3/2010 1:07 AM >
| | | | I've never done one myself. I usually just double the rope over but sometimes you just don't have a long enough rope. I'm pretty sure this was just explained a few pages back, or something.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 186 on 6/3/2010 1:14 AM >
| | | | You can send "waves" up the rope to undo the hook.
http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post5
originally by jester on page 2 of thread
To get it to unhook... Just send some *waves* up the rope, which will give it slack for the hook to let loose of it's hold, then usually a quick tug will get it to *jump* over what it was previously hooked on... watch you don't bring it down on your head though
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We hooked it in really well and could get it back down via the wave method nor break my hook based on his design with three of us. We could not get up the rope without ascending gear. Both hook and rope became a casualty.
Of course if we had proper gear = no problem. We could have set up a very loose hook once we were up.
I should add throwing a homemade grappling hook 25' is exhausting and kind of hard to aim ... those black diamond ones would probably have been a better bet.
My homemade hook weighed about three pounds ... with all the metal, cord, and gorilla tape.
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bouncewiggle
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 187 on 6/3/2010 1:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
I was never much into using crossbows or nerf balls, I went right to business and hand loaded some 12ga shells with a half load of powder, and a wad, but no lead shot.
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that's badass.
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DJ Craig
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Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| | | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 188 on 6/3/2010 2:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
so what about getting your rigging DOWN? I pretty much understood how to get stuff up. But say you have something you are rappelling down from. When you're down, how the hell do you get your rope off of whatever you were attached to at the top??
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I almost always find a way to anchor the rope on the ground. So the rope is anchored to a tree or something on the ground, then goes up to the bottom ladder rung or whatever you're climbing to, then comes back down and that's where you attach to it. That way when you're done you just pull from the anchor. The only time when that method will fail you is if you want to rappel down or ascend up something and then not leave the same way you came.
Or, like uLive said, you can double it over the anchor point and put two ropes through the rappel device. If you're using a rappel device that won't let you do that you can anchor one side to your harness, then run the rope over the anchor point and then back to the rappel device on your harness, but that's only safe if the anchor is nice and smooth so it won't damage the loaded rope as it slides across it. If you have a pulley, you can use that to protect the rope.
I leave pull-downs as a last resort and I've actually never had to do one. There's almost always a way to avoid it if you think it through.
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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Therrin
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<Reply # 189 on 6/3/2010 3:23 AM >
| | | | you can either double the rope over your anchor (so it's just looped over the top), feed both lines through your rappell device (most of them are made to handle doubled lines). And then pull down on one leg of the rope when you're done.
Or, also as mentioned, tie a running bowline at the base of something, run the rope up and over, so you can ascend the line and rappel on it, then pull it down from the attatched side.
OR... you can use a friction saver and removal rig, using two rings and a bungee with a ball on it. Yes, I'm guessing none of you are familiar with that, its an arborist thing we do.
Here.
http://www.sherril...Saver_Instruct.pdf
This is not only a friction saver, but also a removal setup. You'd use the friction saver so that you can have a high point anchor and allow the rope to slide over the friction saver device, INSTEAD of running over an anchor which could possibly damage your rope (or cut it and drop you).
It's a little more technical than some of you folks are used to, but if you study it a bit you can take the theory behind it and adapt it to your own uses.
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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dpixel8
Location: Wisconsin
Gender: Male
urban playground
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<Reply # 190 on 6/3/2010 4:10 PM >
| | | | This is great info. It's still sort of hard to visualize, but I am sure I'll start to understand it as I do more research. Thanks guys.
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trent
I'm Trent! Get Bent!
Location: Drainwhale hunting
Gender: Male
Not on UER anymore.
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<Reply # 191 on 6/4/2010 8:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by dpixel8
This is great info. It's still sort of hard to visualize, but I am sure I'll start to understand it as I do more research. Thanks guys.
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I think they're saying just throw (or shoot) the rope up and over what your climbing to with enough rope to reach back to the ground on the other side so you can tie it to a tree or something.
E.g. if it was a ladder 2 stories off the ground, throw your rope up to the bottom rung so you can climb up to it. But run the rope through the ladder and back down to an anchor point like a tree. Then the rope is anchored on the ground, up through to where your climbing and back down to you where you're attached to it.
He who rules the underground, rules the city above.
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SnuggleBear
Location: South Bay Area, CA [831]
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 192 on 6/17/2010 6:02 PM >
| | | | Anyone seen Man On Wire?
Awesome true UrbEx movie, where they use a bow and arrow to do just that...
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WEKurtz
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 193 on 7/3/2010 9:11 AM >
| | | | Holy shit!. That's 1,268" up!!.Fuck that.
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Cryptix
Location: Durham
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<Reply # 194 on 7/15/2010 4:49 AM >
| | | | Im not sure if this has been mentioned but what about using a monkeys fist for launching the rope? It's roughly the size and weight of a baseball.
Heres a simple one i just tied over a heavy marble
From what ive read these were actually first used to throw a rope onto another ship so they could attack it.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 195 on 7/15/2010 5:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by WEKurtz
Holy shit!. That's 1,268" up!!.Fuck that.
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but 1,2 68 feet up can be lethal.
Better to die instantly than live in a wheelchair for the rest of your life, either way you die famous, like a Viking!
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
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bouncewiggle
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: rope work
<Reply # 196 on 7/15/2010 1:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by SnuggleBear
Anyone seen Man On Wire?
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that movie is absolutely incredible. it's one of my favorites. his passion and personality are beautiful.
"bouncewiggle, now more entertaining than Jell-O" |
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 197 on 7/28/2010 10:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Lecture aside, I'm not going to stop taking risks and I'll upgrade when I can or when I find a reason too, but for now I'm not looking at using rope to get up anything more than I can throw a nerf vortex knockoff up to.
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UPDATE: I bought 200' of 9mm sterling superstatic ... < $150 shipped from sterling's website. It's arriving via FedEX today. I can has money and I can has reasons...
Can we skip the lecture about the dangers of using 9mm rope and just be glad I'm not rocking the $2.95 walmart rope anymore?
Also, I picked this stuff up at joblot for $8, might consider this as an emergency escape plan. 900lb break / 244 working -- good enough for a throw away rope.
http://www.amazon....mond/dp/B0009WG65W
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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1vertical1
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<Reply # 198 on 7/28/2010 11:04 AM >
| | | | I love 9mm, but keep in mind it is a fast rope when rapping.
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 199 on 7/28/2010 5:35 PM >
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"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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