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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Nothing (Viewed 5353 times) The Hitman's Daughter  Account Closed Location: ottawa, canada Gender: Female hot pavement.  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 180 on 2/12/2004 4:27 AM >   Posted by Drie Could someone please lock this shitty, stupid thread? Christ. The poor mods have to sift through all this shit, and the other people out here looking for legitimate information and feedback within this thread have to read about how everyone is pissed at everyone else. What is this? When I got to this forum, it was a happy place! I liked it here! Maybe its just the shitty weather, or maybe there are too many people here now, but it's making me relatively sick. I dont even feel like it's worth keeping up to date on things anymore. Its more like watching a soap opera. Every damn thread turns into a fight. it was already locked, but ninj unlocked it. Locking it seemed to only be furthering the problem. i think maybe it's because of winter. that's why everything's gone to pot over the last few months. Posted by Anymouse and the winter weather inhibiting my ability to do much of the UE I would otherwise be doing, causes me to be sitting here any contributing to this mess. funny we both posted that at the same time. [last edit 2/12/2004 4:29 AM by The Hitman's Daughter - edited 1 times] richellesart.com From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes. Shane  Moderator Location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 181 on 2/12/2004 4:28 AM >   Well, let's see. As far as the quiz goes and how some people are going apeshit about how we are trying to tell people what to do and define what urban exploration is... it's not meant to do that. The quiz was meant to show what is appropriate to discuss ON THIS BOARD. If you wanna break stuff, tag up, or give away entrances, fine, that's your choice, just don't talk about it here. It's not welcome here, if you don't like it, tough shit. Yes, there are some things that are "grey" areas, like breaking into a building that is soon to be demolished, but those are difficult to explain in a short time and new users should have a basic grasp of the core rules before we start talking about exceptions to them. I personally didn't contribute any questions to the quiz because I thought all of the important points had been covered and I would have been duplicating stuff. I think some questions could use some improvements to make them more objective and correct issues with multiple answers. Other than that, I think it does what it was intended to do just fine which is: Make sure new users have read and understand the rules OF THIS FORUM. Nothing more, Nothing less (IMO). As far as old user's having to take it, it was only fair, otherwise people would have complained that it was elitist and that we got to decide who has to take it and who doesn't. It's more fair to make everyone take it, and really, if you've been around for a while it shouldn't cause you more than a very minor inconvenience. Mike: You keep threatening to leave because this forum sucks and you don't like the way it's run, yet you keep coming back to complain about stuff. Are you some kind of masochist? A larger and larger percentage of your posts are just whining and complaining. Please make up your mind, either stay and deal with the rules of the forum, or get the fuck out and stop whining. To everyone complaining about Nazi moderation: Please show me some concrete examples of something I did that would constitute censorship of ideas or deleting anything that is not against the rules of the forums (in a private message, it doesn't belong in this thread). I can't speak for the other mods, but I haven't seen anything they've deleted that wasn't justified. I have made it a point to "tone down" my deletion of off topic posts since the last time we talked about this, and I have. If I was in the wrong about something, it's news to me, because I haven't received any private messages about any unjust deletions yet. *edited for typo* [last edit 2/12/2004 4:30 AM by Shane - edited 1 times] "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk Noah Vale  Location: Portland, Or It's nobler to never get paid, than to bank on shit and dismay  |  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 182 on 2/12/2004 4:36 AM >   I've stayed outta this as long as I could. Just gonna post my two cents. I'm not pissed at anyone. I think having other forums is fine. Personally, I'm not a fan of smaller fora as they tend to be too local, and I have broader interests than my immediate environs. Which is one of the reasons I like this forum, it has people from all over the continent and world. As for people being pissed off about the quiz...well, I'll apologize for the "bribery" question. It was a joke. As for people's concern about this quiz alienating people whose primary language isn't English, I disagree. If their skills in English are so unrefined that they cannot comprehend the quiz, then that is the least of their worries. They will not be able to comprehend the forum, where a good deal of colloquialisms are used along with other impediments to comprehension (i.e. 'netspeak and atrocious spelling mistakes---> thus the reason certain mods, myself included, nag people about grammar and spelling) "Dallas is a magnificent and wide open city, and I'm deeply envious of any urban explorers who have the good fortune to live there." -Ninj. Chainsaw  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Underground, Colorado Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 183 on 2/12/2004 4:37 AM >   ***THE CALMING VOICE OF REASON*** (When the guy with the drunken robot avatar feels like the voice of reason you know things have gone to hell.) Okay, first off I would like to apologize to the owner and moderators of this board - I took the gloves off first - right around "suck my balls" I think. I wasn't trying to direct any attacks toward anyone here but El Nerdo who didn't think it was appropriaate for me to voice my dissent for the new quiz. My reaction was immature and I do regret it. I would like to make a few quick points then drop out of this discussion, I will be brief. 1) Not everyone who donates gets a noble donor star - some users choose to donate anonymously. Just because someone isn't a star bellied sneech doesn't mean their opinion shouldn't carry weight in this forum. 2) It is Av's board - but a lot of others have contributed time, content and money to its maintenance and well being. Maybe not as much as some of the star-bellies but enough. Though he does have the final say in most instances I think Av does a pretty good job letting a bunch of rule-breaking anarchists do what they want when they want. 3) Some of the mods are anal - some are not - If you feel you have been mis-treated by a mod I can bet you there are three mods that would agree and reinstate your post if you're standing on firm ground and make a good case for it. That's not nazi tactics in my book. It's a pain in the ass - just like most democratic processes. 4) I don't think there is a single user here who would rather read this political nonsense than they would read a really good trip writeup. SO WRITE SOMETHING and distract us so we'll stop arguing - I've recently posted a couple good writes - you should do the same. 5) The quiz sucks. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong - don't call me an idiot because I have a different opinion than you do, but you are more than welcome to defend your position, I promise I'll read it. 6) Stop telling the fucking mods what to do - it's not necessary to tell a mod what to do and when to do it - they have already proved they are responsible enough to make those decisions. How much more off topic could a post be in a thread? Go post in the rant thread - that's what it's there for. See #3. 7) It's winter time - exploration is slowed to a crawl - we all have cabin fever - smoke a bowl - drink a snapple - whatever floats your cheerios, but relax. This is SUPPOSED to be FUN! Go to bed, when you get up tomorrow this won't matter - just let it go - walk away. If you are really upset about what's happening here then you should probably leave. I'm sorry, this group isn't for everyone, too many over-inflated egos - too many experts. I admit to that myself. If your ego isn't sufficiently stroked here perhaps you should look elsewhere. Now, isn't that much better than "Suck my balls!"? Or "Get the hell out if you don't like it?" Come on now - everyone, relax...deep cleansing breaths...inhale..............ahhhhh.......very good. Thanks, Alan Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. Mike Dijital  UEDB Moderator Location: Boston MA. Gender: Male UE ver. 1.0  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 184 on 2/12/2004 4:39 AM >   Posted by Shane Mike: You keep threatening to leave because this forum sucks and you don't like the way it's run, yet you keep coming back to complain about stuff. Are you some kind of masochist? A larger and larger percentage of your posts are just whining and complaining. Please make up your mind, either stay and deal with the rules of the forum, or get the fuck out and stop whining. No shane you can't take me out on a date. So stop asking. there are two private boards i REALLY like. and I like to scan the rags in the regular forum to see whos bitching about you. you know why i can't stand you shane, the moment I start to chill out and listen to ninj and Noah , you get out here and poke me with a stick again god I hate you [last edit 2/12/2004 4:45 AM by Mike Dijital - edited 1 times] www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 185 on 2/12/2004 5:17 AM >   Noaha Vale I know gothicsiege is gonna have a rough time. I think he will get through it. However when he PM's me I have to decipher what he is saying. Much to having basic russian classes I understand. However it could be diffuclt. It was not intended as a shoot down of the quiz that no longer concerns me as I passed it with no errors. I am more worried about those who are gonna mess up. Could some please PM me and tell me if the test can be failed or does it jsut tell you what the proper response is and go on. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 186 on 2/12/2004 5:25 AM >   alright, just wanted to jump in and clear a few things: 1. i didn't lock the thread originally, it was someone else. 2. this is not "my" forum. everyone keeps saying that, but it's not. i coded it, i run the server it's on, i pay for it. technically it belongs to me, but you can't own a community. a forum doesn't build itself. this forum belongs to everyone who contributes to it. 3. every single major or semi-major decision i have made regarding the forum (location db changes, the rules, the quiz, etc etc), i've first asked the opinion of the community (all of you), or at the very least, all of the administrators. 4. why is everyone getting so hung up on getting a single question wrong in the quiz? it's almost impossible to fail it... it will keep asking you questions until you get 10 right. if you fail more than 40 questions, you've got some issues. 5. i've heard a lot of people being very vocal about the quiz and stuff. however, not a single one of these people has offered a solution, besides "remove it". if you didn't want it in the first place, why didn't you say so back in the multiple threads regarding the quiz. 6. this site is meant to be a RESOURCE for ALL URBAN EXPLORERS. it's not meant to replace local forums or local websites or local information. the Location DB is meant as a guide. Anymouse: it would be perfectly fine with me if you added all 300 of those locations in the DB, with nothing but basic information and then a link to your site. this is supposed to be a resource. links are what makes it strong. 7. there's actually quite a bit of talk about exploring in the "regional" boards. the bitching happens only in the "other" and "forum issues" boards, which is where you'd expect it. if you don't want to see bitching, don't read these boards. 8. Skaught's hosting offer was very generous, but came about 2 weeks after we had already paid the setup fee and first month on the new server. Sorry, Skaught, but I still appreciated your offer and I made this clear when I spoke to you. Maybe you forgot. -av [last edit 2/12/2004 5:30 AM by Avatar-X - edited 1 times] huskies - such fluff. MothMan  Noble Donor Location: The Gem City Gender: Male If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 187 on 2/12/2004 5:28 AM >   It's good that Ninj unlocked this. I came to this forum by accident, sorta liked what I saw, and have stayed for a few months. Hell, I'm even one of those star-bellied sneeches, if you look close. What have I done here? I've-- had long discussions with Ninj about UE ethics, agreed with Jester about his killing a stupid irrelevant post of mine, disagreed with Krenta and Krazy about them individually killing posts I felt strongly about, whined that I couldn't say what I felt about Av's hosting fees, contributed legal research on Ohio laws that affect UE, got ticked at Max for blasting Kriss over nonsensical views, etc. Yeah, I've had a good time. Well, at least it hasn't been boring. I come here to meet explorers. Exchange ideas and locations. Collaborate, commiserate, and conspire, that's me. And it's worked. I've gotten some GREAT tips on locations to hit, people to meet, and equipment to consider. This forum has succeeded in this fashion admirably, for me. Could this have happened at some other electronic plaza? Of course. Please consider this: the ISSUE is not that this forum is owned and operated by Av so he gets to dictate policy. That's NOT the issue. He's frontin' the jack for this little endeavor, we all know that. He makes policy and enforces it--albeit whimsically sometimes--we know that too. [edit by av: the rules were written by the forum community. just check the "rules" thread in the main board] The ISSUE is: each of us has our own comfort zone. Just because this is Av's forum will never give him the liberty to cross into my zone. It's mine. He has his and you have yours. I think alot of folks are complaining about perceived issues of "someone is crossing my line." It's like, I'm an explorer dammit and I'll come here and post, laugh, bitch, insult, and anything else I feel like doing. Well, honestly, there has to be room for that. We're people and that's what we do, sometimes. Trouble is, when it crosses over Av's zone, then he gets defensive. He reacts, makes some rules, posts a quiz, etc. There has to be room for that kinda thing too. It's his friggin' forum. [edit by av: actually, the rules, quiz, and other such stuff weren't written nor conceived of by me] But I'll just say Av (and mods); don't for one second make me feel like I can't come here and be who I am. That's the point. As much as can be argued that this forum exists for explorers, it can also be asserted that this forum exists because of explorers. And if we all go away and play elsewhere because we didn't feel like we could be who are, here, then... what's the point of it all?! [last edit 2/12/2004 6:01 AM by MothMan - edited 2 times] Sleazy Santa  Location: New York City I love to break stuff and steal from UE sites  |  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 188 on 2/12/2004 5:41 AM >   wow.. i could have d/l so much porno in the time i wasted on that feces Sleazy Santa's in this Hoose- Moonwalked Back into a Moose- long story short, by the end we were both covered in blood and urine http://ExpeditionNYC.com Father Maurice Lester  Noble Donor Location: York Region Gender: Male Da numba one  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 189 on 2/12/2004 5:43 AM >   Now, all of us need to bundle up and go explore the nearest place to our present locale. Even if you've been there 100 times. Get out and get into what this forum is all about.....EXPLORING. Then come home, have some water, some wine, some Sleemans, BC homegrown....whatever unwinds you and chill. It's just a quiz and you've obviously passed if you are reading this. Who cares?? MothMan  Noble Donor Location: The Gem City Gender: Male If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 190 on 2/12/2004 6:07 AM >   Posted by dukeofyork Now, all of us need to bundle up and go explore the nearest place to our present locale. Even if you've been there 100 times. Get out and get into what this forum is all about.....EXPLORING. I agree. And just to show I can put my maglite where my mouth is, here's a pic from my latest tour, a cement plant in Ohio, explored in the snow and a windchill of zero or so. It sucked bitter cold, but I'd do it again! click to view [edit by MothMan: Mods, go ahead and whack the pic, just wanted to reply in kind here.] [last edit 2/12/2004 6:17 AM by MothMan - edited 1 times] Rev. Skaght  This member has been banned  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 191 on 2/12/2004 6:07 AM >   I am glad you made your opinions known Av. I did not forget what you said, in the heat of discussion I got a bit randy. Several members of UEA and some others have been tossing around and idea for a world UE society. We were thinking that founding it at opx would be a great idea. At first we got really excited about it and then we had a reality check. Having a massive central UE site/group/hippopotmus/club etc is contrary to UE. Think about a few of the traits that define Explorers. Most of them are independant free thinkers. Most everyone is in it for different reasons. Trying to define a central set of ideals other than "explore shit" would be impossible and a great majority of explorers would reject it on principle. Plus it would become a power structure which I think is also something that is contrary to UE for many people. So much of UE and infiltration is about circumventing power structures. I can see the value of a central messagebaord as a method of contact and such but the more I think about it the more I am leaning towards saying that specifics should be kept to the regional boards and individual sites. Keep things distributed, kinda like the Internet that we all love so much. I think the very root core issue we are all banging at here is we are trying to reach a consensus where there cannot be one. I think that everyone doing thier own thing and enjoying that is the way to go. There is a general sense of what is generally moral in UE but that is subject to variation and that is ok. Me nor anyone else has a trademark on UE. There is not a huge number of sites in the UE DB here. UEA.ca has more sites for Calgary than uer has for all of Canada and there are many other sites out there in the same boat. And the idea of entering targets into both sites is never going to fly. I know many active posters (in places other than Alberta) who refuse to post in the DB. Hey I can appreciate the UE DB here but I have been down that road before and I do not think it is what UE is about. We spent several months writing something very much like this site a few years back and purposely killed it for idelogical reasons. It was 100's of hours of work tosseed away but it was going to a place we did not want to be. The domain uedb.org has since expired and is now squatted. We are not corporate america here and this is really just amounting to empire building. So allthough this post may not seem completely relevant, I think it is very relevant as it speaks to the core issue here. Perhaps a UE DB of UE websites is a better idea? Maybe I am a fool flogging a different dead horse. . . [last edit 3/26/2004 4:23 AM by Rev. Skaght - edited 1 times] Hitman X  Location: Cambridge, ON Gender: Male Robot Parade!  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 192 on 2/12/2004 7:14 AM >   Posted by Rev. Skaught So allthough this post may not seem completely relevant, I think it is very relevant as it speaks to the core issue here. Rev. Skaught, Well thought out, well written, and well taken... I wished to moses that I could have said it better... this has been exactly what I have been thinking!!! Damn! Everyone that has posted here has made a good point... EVERYONE!... (at least initially- sans derrogatory/defensive comments)... You may not agree with what has been said, but it is all valid! THAT IS THE POINT!!! Why else would there be a "forum"... to voice "OPINIONS"? Av may have become too gaudy, but this method is valid... we should adhere to certain rules to allow decorum... but only that!!! I think that we can all agree with that! We should not "adhere to certain rules" in order to stifle creativity, or free-thought... That may be what people are accusing Av or other ADMIN’s of doing… I don’t think this was their intentions… they’re not NAZI’s… They just went about it wrong… I wrote the “quiz” shortly after it was implemented… and therefore I began the first discussions… since being away for a long period, many things have been said… The bottem line: we love this board because it allows us to come together and share our thoughts and insights and experiences with others that enjoy what we feel is a legitimate interest… we should keep it that way… FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH! FREE SPEECH! Let us continue what we all joined this board to do… [edit: P.S - If I had a credit card that I could use or some way to pay, I would generously DONATE $$$ to this site... it is the least i could do AV...] Hitman X [last edit 2/12/2004 7:20 AM by Hitman X - edited 2 times] I’m not krazy, I just need to get off this island. The doctors don’t believe I invented the chocolate éclair. But I did. I’m going to burn them all and drink soup from their skulls! Happy soup! Untie me and I’ll kill you last! Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 193 on 2/12/2004 9:09 AM >   I have been skiming some of the responses. I think the biggest problem everyone has with the new quiz is new enforment policies. Will this now cause moderators to kick ban people they dont like. I know that is a fear of mine, even though I dont believe it will happen. Yes rules are there for a reason, and yes being a annoying poster should get you slaped. Such as the problem with braudly off topic posts etc. I think less people would be upset if we were told why the test had come about and what the consequences were of it. I pesonally think that once you get past it thats fine. Done deal. However I do wonder about the ethical questions etc being pertinent. As there are no rules I can see baning people who smash windows and such the questions are less relivent and more imformative. How much of the quiz can be found on the intial comment section? I just ask that maybe a post should be posted about why such a thing was introduced and maybe that will come to the solution of the dispute. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" Kimmo  Noble Donor  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 194 on 2/12/2004 9:35 AM >   Posted by Noah Vale As for people's concern about this quiz alienating people whose primary language isn't English, I disagree. If their skills in English are so unrefined that they cannot comprehend the quiz, then that is the least of their worries. They will not be able to comprehend the forum, where a good deal of colloquialisms are used along with other impediments to comprehension (i.e. 'netspeak and atrocious spelling mistakes---> thus the reason certain mods, myself included, nag people about grammar and spelling) I have to disagree with you Noah. I consider my English to be very good, at least I work in a company where I need to use English constantly. Still there are discussions where I don't understand everything, perhaps that's because I don't have the time to really think thoroughly what's being said. Secondly, how are those people ever going to learn English if they are blocked out from forums? I consider these kind of "live" forums to be the best English class that there is. You cannot learn this in any school... Even when Russian explorers don't have a good English skill, I still enjoy their stories, don't you? Also even when their writing isn't the best that there is, we all do understand what they are trying to say and I bet that they also understand the main points from different discussions. I only stress this point because Av advertises this place as an international UE resource. This also being the reason why I donated (two times, but perhaps the last snail mail went to some postal worker pocket?). I really like what Av has done. There is no other international forum to meet explorers around the world. I've received valuable help to my Polish trip from this forum and perhaps the summer after that I will meet other European explorers. There's no other forum where I could have achieved this much! The Swedish forum is dead...and the other small local forums might be ok, but they are local. On a side note...I think the quiz has been taken down, because I was able to browse threads without logging in and without the quiz. Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 195 on 2/12/2004 1:02 PM >   The quiz only appears once, with a logged-in account. If you log out, you can browse without having to do the quiz. Of course, you'll need to complete it if you wish to post or comment. huskies - such fluff. Carrie@HPA  Location: Stuck in Hell.. Still! Gender: Female Death, Distruction and Chaos.. At Your Service.  |  |  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 196 on 2/12/2004 2:33 PM >   After replying to this thread very early I come back to find it has turned into the following: 1. My dick is bigger then yours 2. My Rights! What happened to my rights? 3. Spelling Let me begin like this, it's probably the best way to make my point to which I'm sure no one really cares. 1. Get over it, it's a harmless quiz. If it is so insulting to your intelligence and is "so thrid grade" why take it? Why bitch about it? If it' thrid grade crap I'd severely hope you'd be able to pass such. It's not a matter of anything other then trying to ferret out some of the crap that we all bitch about, so accept it. 2. Cry me a river and drown in it. Our rights are stepped on everyday we get out of bed and leave our house. Free speech is great, I'm a huge fan of it. However it doesen't give me the right to tell you how to run a MB that someone else pays for. It also doesen't give me the right to shoot the fuck-up's who insult my intelligence everyday by telling me I'm a 'horrible person' for whatever reason they're mad about. So you can cry all you want, but don't expect the world to chance for you. 3. My spelling sucks, I admit that ever so freely. However at least I don't feel the lazy need to type "R U up 4 2nite". So, stop bitching. You took the quiz, you don't have to take it again. My single and only gripe was about the subject titles. Why? Because everyone words things diffrently. It doesn't push anyone views on anyone, it's a generalized thing. Example- Most people on this board agree that you should take nothing from a location to preserve it for other people. Now at certian times I feel diffrently about this, did I come here and scream? No, why? Everyone has an opinion of what is right. So do what you think it right and let it go because your going to do it anyway, I severely doubt anyone here will change they're personal views on anything because of what someone over the internet said. Which in effect, makes every rant (mine also) in this thread irrelivent. So in a nutshell: It happens, deal with it. [last edit 2/12/2004 2:35 PM by Carrie@HPA - edited 1 times] Yes, I'm a bitch but we all knew that. ~*Carrie*~ Co-Founder Haunted Pennsylvania "Because we'll put a boot in your ass, it's the American way" Ninjalicious  Gone, but always with us Location: Toronto  |  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 197 on 2/12/2004 3:28 PM >   Although I helped conceive and design the quiz, I think I now lean towards the "against" camp, for these reasons: 1. The quiz as it now stands treats several possible right answers as wrong; 2. The quiz doesn't differentiate clearly enough between forum policies and exploratory ethics, implying that the two are one and the same; 3. The quiz implies that there is no room for discussion on several ethical points, which is counter to the hobby's spirit; 4. The quiz limits the ability of people who speak limited English as a second language to participate in the forum, and those people are desirable; 5. There was no vote on the quiz, and no public or private discussion in which multiple users endorsed or made suggestions about the idea. (Absence of complaint is not endorsement.) (Notice I don't include "it wastes people's time" among my reasons -- I don't think anyone who's participated in this thread, moderators included, can realistically claim that their time is precious.) Those things said, I don't think it's necessary to scrap the quiz. Here's what I'd suggest: 1. Redesign the quiz so that all the questions and answers are fair and easy to comprehend, even by someone who doesn't speak English that well. 2. Make sure only actually INCORRECT answers are treated as wrong -- none of this "most correct" business. 3. Make all the questions pertain to the actual forum rules (no racist posts, no editing of one's own posts, no spamming, etc.) rather than a particular take on exploratory ethics (no tagging, no lockpicking, etc.). What do you think? It would be awesome if people could unlearn their helplessness and write fewer posts from the "that's how it is", "deal with it", "if you don't like it leave" and "tough shit" family, and instead write more "that won't work because" or "another good idea would be"-type posts. Av has often removed or improved other features in the past - but we need to give him better direction than "suck my balls". Ninj http://www.infiltration.org [last edit 2/12/2004 3:31 PM by Ninjalicious - edited 1 times] Stalker  Location: Hamilton Your Resident Red Commie Bastard  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 198 on 2/12/2004 3:52 PM >   The quiz limits the ability of people who speak limited English as a second language to participate in the forum, and those people are desirable Quiz can be translated to may different languages. We have a lot of people who can do that. MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: Admissions Quiz <Reply # 199 on 2/12/2004 4:01 PM >   After looking at the arguements and evidence, I too think that the ethical parts of the quiz should be separated from the forum rules/guidelines parts. Perhaps making them two entirely separate quizzes. Passing the forum quiz (once corrected to make people happier) should be mandatory to be able to join & post. I like what ninj said about it in the above post. The ethical portions of the quiz could be separated into an entirely different quiz, called something along the lines of "commonly accepted UE ethics" so to help point out that these are neither carved in stone or established by a small group or individual. When you think about it, the standard ethics that so many of us follow (to varying extents) have been decided upon by many different people, usually independently. Although it is more important for new menbers to be solid on the forum rules, it would also be nice if they could be at least exposed to some of the common ethical standpoints. A quiz format is an interesting, interactive, and reinforced way of making sure that these ideas at least have to pass through the head of the user. They can't scroll to the bottom of the screen and just click the "accept" or "I read it" button then. The ethical quiz could be made optional, and a user would be asked if they would like to take that quiz. Then participation would be optional, so there should be a way for the user to stop the quiz and go to the forums when they wanted to. Another quick brainstorm before I run off to work: How about the ethical quiz be based on scenarios [off the record, this doesn't sound like a proper sentance but I can't pick out what's wrong or how to fix it.]? Make some dick and jane stories with a carefully engineered scenario/dillema that has several multiple choice answers. The point wouldn't be to get them right or wrong, but more to click a choice and read another paragraph explaining how good of an idea that is and what the possible implications are on several different levels. I guess this would be less of a quiz and more of an interactive tool to help people think about ethics and their choices' impacts on sites and other people. Anyone think this is an interesting project, or should I just fuck off too? Thanks for reading Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Nothing (Viewed 5353 times)  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. 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