well since i don't own this car anymore...

circa 2006.

Posted by qwerty05 http://farm5.stati...8_52c7cff19a_o.jpg I've been offroading for ten years in New Mexico, Colorado, and now Arizona in a Corolla. People are a little surprised when they see it on trails. Transmission still runs great (knock on wood), but I've gone through a few oil pans. Also I'd hate to drive a manual on 20 hour trips. Automatic has it place in distance driving.

You can't go 'offroading' in a Corolla. It may be a rough track/road but it's not offroading.

Also driving a manual for long distances is easy cause you generally won't have to change gears when sitting at highway speeds.

It's definitely been off of any human made paths, dirt or otherwise many times. It's amazing where you can go with some planks. Certainly not recreational offroading, but it gets the job done.

When I worked on a preserve our group was eating lunch one day when one of the other employees we didn't work with drove up. He had been sent to tell the corolla driver that I could only use established paths and to stop driving off them.

A few months earlier I had been getting teased that I wouldn't be able to get my work done in my vehicle. I had to laugh a little.

Posted by Porcelain Doll well since i don't own this car anymore... circa 2006. http://i43.photobu...ll/mycarhudson.jpg

How dare you post "I'm parked in front" pictures in this thread?!?! This thread is for discussion of the relative merits of manual vs. automatic transmissions!

Posted by splumer How dare you post "I'm parked in front" pictures in this thread?!?! This thread is for discussion of the relative merits of manual vs. automatic transmissions!

Yeah, because 2 pages of discourse in a 28 page thread really sets the topic.

/Back to pictures of cars

Chris...

Posted by turbozutek /Back to pictures of cars Chris...

Hear Here!

While peddling along atop a 300 foot cliff, I stopped to take a piss. I wanderd down a short steep trail and found this marker stone and candle.

David was a football player For USC. Could this be the place where he jumped too his death?

News reports put the location as being miles south of here.

300 feet straight down, good place to do it.
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Automatics can't sense the road surface. Now that's a total misinformed load of crap. ABS and auto transmissions and the VCM and EBCM have been used for years to do just that. Over on this side of the pond, we call it traction control. True it was not the best when it first came out, as with all brand new technologies. But it has been improved upon and now we have stability control. And the trade off is yup you guessed it, more weight and more money. And how does off road vehicles not relate in any way to passenger cars? If it's got 4 wheels and a motor, it all counts in my book. I service them all.

Posted by junkyard Automatics can't sense the road surface. Now that's a total misinformed load of crap. ABS and auto transmissions and the VCM and EBCM have been used for years to do just that. Over on this side of the pond, we call it traction control.

Yes it was invented by Volvo and MB, on this side of the pond and is also called Traction Control - and we had a system that actually worked about six years before the US even cottoned on and started fitting a knock off, legislation challenged version which was rubbish.

Certainly a car can detect what type of road is the ground below it in any given instant, but Automatics can't SEE the road ahead.

Now, tell me - can an auto gearbox see a hill on the horizon? Will it change down at the base of the hill for optimum fuel economy?

Can it see a dip in the road coming up followed by a hill and know that a bit more gas down the dip will result in better economy getting up that hill?

Can it see a Z bend coming up and know to change down for better grip?

Can it see the 18 wheeler trying to overtake at the top of an incline and know to back off the torque conversion; as it'll just be wasted when you slow down for it?

If the answer is NO (and it is) then in all these situations it cannot read the road sufficiently to ensure best fuel economy, can it?

No, it can't - and hence it looses out to a person with EYES who can. Fine and dandy cruising along a perfectly flat highway, but when you have curves, hills, obstacles, fast parts and slow parts to your roads? It's useless.

Posted by junkyard And how does off road vehicles not relate in any way to passenger cars? If it's got 4 wheels and a motor, it all counts in my book. I service them all.

The point I was making is that you can't make a good comparison of fuel economy if you compare a Jeep cresting a mountain and fording a dyke Vs a Ford Focus driving along the highway.

That's comparing apples to oranges both in design and overall use.

Chris...

Seeing the hill or dip or truck up ahead is handled by me with the eyes yes. But I do that no matter what transmission is whirring away beneath me.

I handle the throttle input and tell the auto or stick what to do. Wheelspin, let off. Snow, lighter touch. I don't care what trans I'm using.

I'm just saying there are times when an auto works better, not saying all sticks should be scrapped............

I think the big anger is aimed at the U.S. for some reason. Well I may tease about wearing kilts/dresses. But I refrain from constantly bashing your home country.

I just want you to know that I still love you, even though your a little prick sometimes!!

And don't make me send the photo of my mexican surf trip again, because I will...........


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I don't even see one Kawasaki?

oh, I get it they're ninjas; not supposed to see them.

I am curious as to the number of automotive techs here and to their certifications? I don't really give a crap who invented what, because that point is moot. Inventing something, bringing it to market first, and refining it are all totally different things. It seems anything good comes from Europe and all things crap come from the US. There are two big differences between the two sides. In Europe, space is at a premium, here it is not so much. In Europe fuel is more expensive, here not as bad. Things happen more for economic and need based reasons. We never had to be as concerned with the situation in Europe, because our situation was and still is different. If we had the dog ugly and underpowered econoboxes that got great mileage, people would refuse to buy cars here, end of story. Here, people are fat and lazy and like their autos and GPS and all that other BS, and really don't care how big their SUV is as long as it has plenty of cup holders and they can text while they drive. I never said I thought it was right, just how it is. I do get a kick out of how bent out of shape people get about these things. I wonder who makes a better truck, Ford or Chevy?

I currently own five brands of truck, all five can be a pain in the ass, all five have brought me great joy.

Sam will say, GM.
Sams Dad will say, Ford.
Turbo will say, U.S. trucks suck dog balls.
Jeep dave, JEEP!!
Junkyard, 84 Chev assault vehicle.
CR400 will say, Any truck I've restored is TITS.........

Posted by junkyard It seems anything good comes from Europe and all things crap come from the US.

Statements like these are why you'll always be in my top ten of people on UER who are awesome, JunkYard. With respect to cars, you've more or less nailed it! Ah hahahahahha!

Posted by cr400 I'm just saying there are times when an auto works better,

For convenience, sure - I agree with you. For economy and control? No. You may modify your throttle response with an auto but it can be a long time before it'll change up / down: which wastes fuel.

Posted by cr400 I think the big anger is aimed at the U.S. for some reason. Well I may tease about wearing kilts/dresses. But I refrain from constantly bashing your home country.

Fuck no!! I'm by no means slagging your country - which has many wonderful things and many wonderful people. I've spent time there, I am related to many North Americans (my whole in law side of the family are Bostonians) and it's all good; I'm simply slagging your cars; a job which is made hilariously easy by... well, your cars!

Anyway, seriously we need to get off the transmission question and back to topic or Trent will call for the threads removal again.

Chris...


_{PS: You don't have to bash my home country; I can do that! We Scots realise better than any other country in the World when/if something is shite, remember.}

Here I am parked in front of a Preoccubandoned building.

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Posted by TheVicariousVadder I don't even see one Kawasaki? oh, I get it they're ninjas; not supposed to see them.

That was misleading, lets just say the two ninjas were inside takin' pictures.
That sounds much cooler.

84?!? It was an 85, now retired and replaced with an 87. Actually, I like my Jeep and my Harley the best. All vehicles are pieces of shit if you drive them long enough.

Bonnie is a genie & just twinkled her nose.


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Posted by Mr Fish You can't go 'offroading' in a Corolla. It may be a rough track/road but it's not offroading.

I'd like to challenge this.