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Deuterium
     
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<Reply # 120 on 4/7/2007 4:08 PM >
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Gah!
So, the motivation of someone doing graffiti is only to do a criminal act? Seems like a lot of work just to be naughty.
Again, the motivation has nothing to do with whether or not it is a crime. The motivation doesn't remove culpability. But the motivation is not to break the law. And the criminality does not affect the artistic merit.
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The graffiti vandals utilize their artistic skills to willfully deposit paint on a surface with the knowledge that someone else owns the surface. Tell me what part of this is not correct.
I already said, there is artistic skills involved. Where did I say criminality has any bearing on the artistic merit/demerit?
This is just like the legality of the action doesn't affect the skills involved in the use of weapons.
The sole purpose the aerosol vandal apply their skills is to perform his version of art, which by the definition of criminal penal code, is a crime, therefore the application of skills for the sole purpose of engaging in a criminal activity.
A sniper killer most likely have motives besides doing it for the sake of breaking the law, but his sole purpose is still using his skills to commit a crime.
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MutantMandias
  
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<Reply # 121 on 4/7/2007 4:30 PM >
| | | | I will have the last word, by the way. Just so you know.
Posted by Deuterium
The graffiti vandals utilize their artistic skills to willfully deposit paint on a surface with the knowledge that someone else owns the surface. Tell me what part of this is not correct.
I already said, there is artistic skills involved. Where did I say criminality has any bearing on the artistic merit/demerit?
This is just like the legality of the action doesn't affect the skills involved in the use of weapons.
The sole purpose the aerosol vandal apply their skills is to perform his version of art, which by the definition of criminal penal code, is a crime, therefore the application of skills for the sole purpose of engaging in a criminal activity.
A sniper killer most likely have motives besides doing it for the sake of breaking the law, but his sole purpose is still using his skills to commit a crime.
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This is the part that is not correct:
therefore the application of skills for the sole purpose of engaging in a criminal activity.
This implies that the reason for the action is to commit a crime, that is, the commission of crime is the goal. For some people, it might be. For others, the purpose is to create something nice. Since the location makes it a crime, their skill is being used to do something that is a crime, but their purpose is not to commit a crime.
So, while technically your specific language supports it, because the skills are used to do something which is criminal, you are clearly either using the language intellectually loosely, or being intentionally misleading.
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<Reply # 122 on 4/7/2007 7:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
I would imagine it takes good sense and weapons skills to gun down a very specific target in a crowd of fast moving people. Such wrongful taking of one's life is a major crime, but it's ignorant to call the latter unskilled slaying.
Graffiti vandalism and unlawful sniping have a lot in common. The only difference is the type and degree of the crime.
1. The talent and skills to skilfully complete a mission undetected.
2. The application of the skills for the sole purpose of completing the criminal activity.
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I do not understand how you could really compare murder to vandalism, Yes graffiti is breaking the law, so is urban exploring, think of it like this, to be a good explorer you need...
1. The talent and skills to skilfully complete a mission undetected.
2. The application of the skills for the sole purpose of completing the criminal activity.
so therefore do urban exploring and murder have a lot in common besides the degree of the crime?
Anything you do that is illegal needs all of those, They do it, and make art out of it. yes it is illegal art, but illegal activities are more fun.
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<Reply # 123 on 4/10/2007 12:18 AM >
| | | | nobody is right
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<Reply # 124 on 4/10/2007 12:38 AM >
| | | | Posted by SarahMcConnell
nobody is right
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And nobody is wrong.
Sadly, this shall always be a point of contention among the members of this forum. 
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<Reply # 125 on 4/10/2007 1:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
And nobody is wrong.
Sadly, this shall always be a point of contention among the members of this forum.
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this thread could continue on for an eternity without anyone coming to a general agreement. i like the points brought up though.
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<Reply # 126 on 4/10/2007 1:55 AM >
| | | | Graffiti is arts unruly twin brother.
I've seen some amazing graffiti and some agonizing art, and vise versa. I belive that they are both art, only one is illegal. Art is just about any form of expression or convection of emotion. So graffiti as far as I'm concerned is art, just illegal.
But I don't think this is an argument where anyone is going to find a solution/compromise.
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SarahMcConnell
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<Reply # 127 on 4/10/2007 2:13 AM >
| | | | it wasnt supposed to be an argument
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<Reply # 128 on 4/10/2007 3:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by SarahMcConnell
nobody is right
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I dont think he has posted in this thread
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TrixieSparrow
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<Reply # 129 on 4/10/2007 3:38 AM >
| | | | Posted by Radical Dreamer
Graffiti is arts unruly twin brother.
I've seen some amazing graffiti and some agonizing art, and vise versa. I belive that they are both art, only one is illegal. Art is just about any form of expression or convection of emotion. So graffiti as far as I'm concerned is art, just illegal.
But I don't think this is an argument where anyone is going to find a solution/compromise.
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True say my friend. You are very right.
Oh wait...nobody is. lol
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<Reply # 130 on 4/10/2007 3:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Bones
I do not understand how you could really compare murder to vandalism, Yes graffiti is breaking the law, so is urban exploring, think of it like this, to be a good explorer you need...
1. The talent and skills to skilfully complete a mission undetected.
2. The application of the skills for the sole purpose of completing the criminal activity.
so therefore do urban exploring and murder have a lot in common besides the degree of the crime?
Anything you do that is illegal needs all of those, They do it, and make art out of it. yes it is illegal art, but illegal activities are more fun.
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Yeah he sounds like a Narc, only a cops would make such an analogy, regardless of inaccurate it is...only a cop or a city counsellor could get away with a stupid analogy like that.
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<Reply # 131 on 4/10/2007 3:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by KroniK
this thread could continue on for an eternity without anyone coming to a general agreement. i like the points brought up though.
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I find it hilarious that people who are obviously ALSO breaking the law feel free to criticize others who do so in making art.
And I man real graffiti artists -- not wanker taggers.
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I am Legend
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<Reply # 132 on 4/10/2007 6:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
I find it hilarious that people who are obviously ALSO breaking the law feel free to criticize others who do so in making art.
And I man real graffiti artists -- not wanker taggers.
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Agreed. We trespass all the time. How many times have you walked past a no trespassing sign? Sometimes we end up running from security or the police. Most of the time, just to take pictures. Graffiti-Artists do the same but instead of taking pictures, they create their art. How are the two different? I am sure that graffiti-artists have their own set of morals just as we do.
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MutantMandias
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<Reply # 133 on 4/10/2007 6:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by I am Legend
Agreed. We trespass all the time. How many times have you walked past a no trespassing sign? Sometimes we end up running from security or the police. Most of the time, just to take pictures. Graffiti-Artists do the same but instead of taking pictures, they create their art. How are the two different? I am sure that graffiti-artists have their own set of morals just as we do.
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Yeah, but it is undeniable that the graffiti remains, against the owner's wishes. Every time.
Trespassing, when done right, should leave no trace.
HOWEVER, as I like to point out, graffiti is really not that big of a deal when compared to the potential problem of a trespasser hurting themselves at a location. Of course, the graffiti guys are trespassing too, so, uh... yeah.
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Deuterium
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<Reply # 134 on 4/11/2007 3:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by I am Legend
Agreed. We trespass all the time. How many times have you walked past a no trespassing sign? Sometimes we end up running from security or the police. Most of the time, just to take pictures. Graffiti-Artists do the same but instead of taking pictures, they create their art. How are the two different? I am sure that graffiti-artists have their own set of morals just as we do.
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Sometimes I just walk up your drive way without permission to look at your car.
Sometimes demolition artists do the same and smash out every window or deface body panels.
How are the two different?
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I am Legend
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<Reply # 135 on 4/11/2007 5:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
Sometimes I just walk up your drive way without permission to look at your car.
Sometimes demolition artists do the same and smash out every window or deface body panels.
How are the two different?
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True. Point taken.
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SarahMcConnell
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<Reply # 136 on 4/11/2007 5:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by Trixie_Sparrow
True say my friend. You are very right.
Oh wait...nobody is. lol
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are you trying to be funny by being a smartass?
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TrixieSparrow
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<Reply # 137 on 4/11/2007 5:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by SarahMcConnell
are you trying to be funny by being a smartass?
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I was just making a joke. nobody is a user on uer.
http://www.uer.ca/...d=1&posterid=10789
see? no need to get all mad and defensive.
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SarahMcConnell
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<Reply # 138 on 4/11/2007 7:10 AM >
| | | | didnt know that... sorry
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TrixieSparrow
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<Reply # 139 on 4/11/2007 4:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by SarahMcConnell
didnt know that... sorry
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lol no worries 
but do ou see why is was so funny now? This isnt the first time his name has been used in a joke either. I think he did it on purpose heh.
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