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blackhawk
  
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<Reply # 240 on 1/8/2008 7:16 PM >
|  | | | Posted by CGII
Charles Manson vandalised human life. Graffiti artists vandalise physical property. There is a great disparity of severity of the crime.
It is essentially indisputable that everyone has the right to live, however the debate over the right to actually 'own' stuff goes back millienia. This is why I don't think there's an argument whether graffiti is art or not. If I'm an anarchist, why the hell should I respect your right to property? It doesn't exist!
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You steal some someone's time, you steal some of their life.
jeeeeze, too bad for you the sixties are gone.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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<Reply # 241 on 1/8/2008 8:19 PM >
| | | | i agree with your point that graffiti could make a business less attractive, but like someone said it depends on who you art targeting. There are art districts in new york city that feed off of the "urban" and "street" feel for their gallery, or business.
exploration could be argued to be on the same level as vandalism, you trespass somewhere that you aren't supposed to be at, a place you don't own.
theres no reason for me to continue on because
I don't care if you think its art or not I'm just showing you that there are people with different opinions
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CGII
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<Reply # 242 on 1/8/2008 10:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
You steal some someone's time, you steal some of their life.
jeeeeze, too bad for you the sixties are gone.
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Do you mean like, how people's time, money and effort are 'stolen' securing their property from trespassers?
Urban exploration is a pretty obvious violation of modern property rights, and everytime you jump a fence or slip past a security guard or pick a lock you are stealing someone's life because the owner of the property put those security measures in place to help ensure that people without permission would be kept out.
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<Reply # 243 on 1/8/2008 10:37 PM >
| | | | By the way, I think it's worth noting that of my personal experience, here in Milwaukee, the really good graffiti artists recognize the detrimental effects graffiti can have on a neighbourhood, and the best graffiti will be found in places that are rarely seen by just a passer by, ie on pylons underneath bridges, on the rooftops of derelict buildings, on walls of buildings only visible from rail lines (like my avatar) or secluded far out of public eyesight. Part of this is due to safety from police, but another for artistic reasons. I met a graffiti artist once and he told me that he only does stuff in places where people go specifically to enjoy graffiti.
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<Reply # 244 on 1/9/2008 3:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by CGII
And the way you state 'your right to express yourself ends where the other person's property begins' crosses the line between expressing an opinion and marches into the realm of dicating to someone else what they should believe.
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How so? I still stated my comment as an opinion. Nowhere did I state "you must" or used a commanding tone in my comment.
Maybe I should state it as "In my humble opinion, your right to express yourself ends where the other person's property begins."? 
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<Reply # 245 on 1/9/2008 4:33 AM >
| | | | blackhawk is too busy trying to argue and beat the hippies in his head that he isnt so interested in details--dont sweat it
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<Reply # 246 on 1/9/2008 9:15 AM >
| | | | When we're comparing Charlie Manson to a tagger, I think the thread has run its course.
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