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<Reply # 100 on 4/6/2007 5:05 PM >
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Up until about two years ago I had a 26’ft panel truck. One time when I knew I wouldn't be needing it for awhile I asked a relative if I could store it at a property that they owned, ( a small vacant horse farm that they had up for sale). When I went back for my truck a few weeks later I found that the property had been broken into. They didn't take anything (not much there to take) but they did smash holes in the walls with the fire extinguishers before discharging them into the pool and tossing every thing not nailed down into the deep end for good measure, oh and they tagged my truck.
If I would have caught them it would have been hard to restrain myself from beating them with the fire extinguishers and them in the pool. This was not a company truck, it was mine, and I used it for a side business. The graffiti came off with professional grade “Goof Off” but when the sun hit it you could see where it had been. It cost me time and money and aggravation to clean that crap off of my truck, so no I don't care much for illegal graffiti or it’s so called artists.
On a side note even if it had been a well done mural A ) They didn't have my permission to mess with my truck, B ) It kind of looks unprofessional to be driving with spray paint over my company name and phone number and C ) As the owner of the truck/property I should be the one who gets to decide on what I would like painted or not painted on it. |
Art or not, I still don't want ANYTHING spray painted on my truck without my permission. Tell me I'm wrong.
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as one does
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<Reply # 101 on 4/6/2007 5:13 PM >
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<Reply # 102 on 4/6/2007 5:14 PM >
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no matter how much mandias say vandalism is graffitti and graffitti is vandalism and graffitti is art
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I have never said graffiti is art. I have only said that art is art.
Posted by verloren
Artists->Vandals/Gang Members/Thugs
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You still don't get it.
A thug can be an artist. He might not be good. Or he might be great. Whatever. None of that matters. Just like it doesn't matter where something is, or how illegal it is, or how revered it is.
A vandal can create art. An artist can deface property. Criminal action does not have any affect on artistic merit.
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<Reply # 103 on 4/6/2007 5:20 PM >
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I have never said graffiti is art. I have only said that art is art.
You still don't get it.
A thug can be an artist. He might not be good. Or he might be great. Whatever. None of that matters. Just like it doesn't matter where something is, or how illegal it is, or how revered it is.
A vandal can create art. An artist can deface property. Criminal action does not have any affect on artistic merit.
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i completely agree with you. i just didnt feel like typing a long winded explanation to go along with your point. art is art no matter how you slice it though.
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MutantMandias
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<Reply # 104 on 4/6/2007 5:23 PM >
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i completely agree with you.
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Well then. You are awesome.
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<Reply # 105 on 4/6/2007 5:32 PM >
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Well then. You are awesome.
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gracias senor and you as well
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<Reply # 106 on 4/6/2007 8:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
No, idiot. NO.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The property owner is the judge of how much of a pain in the ass it is, and what to do about it, but none of that has any effect on the art-ness of it.
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greatest ever.
it's better to be absolutely ridiculous than absolutely boring.
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<Reply # 107 on 4/7/2007 12:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by CaptOrbit
Art or not, I still don't want ANYTHING spray painted on my truck without my permission. Tell me I'm wrong.
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Same here! Or on my house or anything I own. And I don't care how good the piece is. And no, you are not wrong!
Posted by Air 33
SO by that accord you always get written permission to UE the buildings you enter...right! Cause that sure is a black and white view of the world.
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Actually, I do get verbal permission to UE the buildings I enter from the owners or their tenants. I find that I can take my time and really check out the place and thoroughly enjoy myself. I have too much to lose with a trespass or other criminal charge which is why I will ask permission ahead of time. And if I don't get the permission, I will respect that too.
As for the graffiti, when that is done without the owner's permission, it is still vandalism. Just like exploring a building without the owner's permission is trespassing. The only difference is that no harm is done to the property when trespassing whereas the grafiti can be quite costly to remove and in some cases, is a permanent mark to the building's surface.
Footprints and photos cause no harm.
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<Reply # 108 on 4/7/2007 12:19 AM >
| | | | I don't do graffiti, I don't like it in places I explore, But I still consider it an art form. I'm friends with graffiti artists and to see what they do, and all the effort they put into it, really shows it is one of the most intense forms of art. You need to have artistic knowledge to do graffiti, and you need to have talent. I know that more than half of the members of UER are photographers, and for the longest time photography wasn't considered an art form. All because you do not agree with the ethics of graffiti does not mean its not art, to say graffiti is not art is ignorant.
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<Reply # 109 on 4/7/2007 12:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Of course. And regardless of where it is or what permissions were obtained, if it has artistic merit, it is art.
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The piece may be art (in the eye of the beholder) but the act itself is still vandalism. If the tagger does this to his/her own property, who cares? They can do whatever the hell they want with their property. But when they do this to someone else's property without that person's permission, they are violating the owner's right to legal enjoyment of the property.
Again, regardless of how much artistic merit it has.
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<Reply # 110 on 4/7/2007 12:43 AM >
| | | | this thread has really strayed away from the main topic, which was, do you see graffitti as art or not? not whether its legality makes it right or wrong, but the piece itself. so for a second, can we just imagine that these pieces are on canvases and not walls, is that art?
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MutantMandias
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<Reply # 111 on 4/7/2007 1:43 AM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
The piece may be art (in the eye of the beholder) but the act itself is still vandalism. If the tagger does this to his/her own property, who cares? They can do whatever the hell they want with their property. But when they do this to someone else's property without that person's permission, they are violating the owner's right to legal enjoyment of the property.
Again, regardless of how much artistic merit it has.
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YES! OF COURSE. YES YES. YES.
Jesus fucking christ yes.
Posted by rainman8889
But when they do this to someone else's property without that person's permission, they are violating the owner's right to legal enjoyment of the property.
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YES. I repeat it for you, YES, because it is true. It is what I have said, over and over and over. It is what everyone has said, over and over and over.
Regardless of anything, vandalism is a crime. I am not a fan of vandalism. I don't think anyone has said anything supporting vandalism.
But if Michelangelo had instead painted the Sistine Chapel images on the side of an old gas station, it would be beautiful, would it not? It might piss off the owner. It might be a pain to clean. Thinking about those things might psychologically make it less beautiful to the the owner of the property, but it would none the less be beautiful.
Regardless of how full of hate and ignorance you are.
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<Reply # 112 on 4/7/2007 3:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by KroniK
this thread has really strayed away from the main topic, which was, do you see graffitti as art or not? not whether its legality makes it right or wrong, but the piece itself. so for a second, can we just imagine that these pieces are on canvases and not walls, is that art?
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Thanks! I think it would be awesome to post pictures of graffiti that you think are beautiful
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<Reply # 113 on 4/7/2007 7:52 AM >
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Thanks! I think it would be awesome to post pictures of graffiti that you think are beautiful
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Mind your manners, become a member and join the Graffiti forum.
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<Reply # 114 on 4/7/2007 7:57 AM >
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Regardless of how full of hate and ignorance you are.
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Excuse me? I don't understand this last remark. How am I "full of hate and ignorance"?
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MutantMandias
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<Reply # 115 on 4/7/2007 8:22 AM >
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Excuse me? I don't understand this last remark. How am I "full of hate and ignorance"?
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Well, I may have over reacted. I mistakenly thought that you had essentially posted the same thing more than just the two times that you did post the same thing.
So, either you didn't bother reading any of the other posts, or you have some issue as a result of people spray painting some hairy balls on your grandmother's forehead.
Anyway, since you don't understand, it was an attempt to be flippant, as a riff in your last comment, and pointing out that you cannot seem to get beyond the vandalism piece for some reason.
And just in case that last statement causes any confusion, No, I don't like vandalism. I hate vandalism. And, artistic merit and vandalism are two completely separate things, unrelated in any way.
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<Reply # 116 on 4/7/2007 9:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by Bones
I don't do graffiti, I don't like it in places I explore, But I still consider it an art form. I'm friends with graffiti artists and to see what they do, and all the effort they put into it, really shows it is one of the most intense forms of art. You need to have artistic knowledge to do graffiti, and you need to have talent. I know that more than half of the members of UER are photographers, and for the longest time photography wasn't considered an art form. All because you do not agree with the ethics of graffiti does not mean its not art, to say graffiti is not art is ignorant.
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I would imagine it takes good sense and weapons skills to gun down a very specific target in a crowd of fast moving people. Such wrongful taking of one's life is a major crime, but it's ignorant to call the latter unskilled slaying.
Graffiti vandalism and unlawful sniping have a lot in common. The only difference is the type and degree of the crime.
1. The talent and skills to skilfully complete a mission undetected.
2. The application of the skills for the sole purpose of completing the criminal activity.
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<Reply # 117 on 4/7/2007 9:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Well, I may have over reacted. I mistakenly thought that you had essentially posted the same thing more than just the two times that you did post the same thing.
So, either you didn't bother reading any of the other posts, or you have some issue as a result of people spray painting some hairy balls on your grandmother's forehead.
Anyway, since you don't understand, it was an attempt to be flippant, as a riff in your last comment, and pointing out that you cannot seem to get beyond the vandalism piece for some reason.
And just in case that last statement causes any confusion, No, I don't like vandalism. I hate vandalism. And, artistic merit and vandalism are two completely separate things, unrelated in any way.
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Ahh. Thanks for the clarification. Early morning posting & no coffee was causing me to state the same thing more than once I guess. Gotta get my coffee.
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<Reply # 118 on 4/7/2007 2:15 PM >
| | | | Hey, it's not like that but I'll join the freaking forum anyway
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MutantMandias
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<Reply # 119 on 4/7/2007 3:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
2. The application of the skills for the sole purpose of completing the criminal activity.
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Gah!
So, the motivation of someone doing graffiti is only to do a criminal act? Seems like a lot of work just to be naughty.
Again, the motivation has nothing to do with whether or not it is a crime. The motivation doesn't remove culpability. But the motivation is not to break the law. And the criminality does not affect the artistic merit.
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