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MutantMandias
       
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<Reply # 60 on 4/5/2007 3:30 PM >
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how is this a flamewar
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<Reply # 61 on 4/5/2007 4:15 PM >
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Now see, that pisses me off in some way. I can understand having a blanket problem with any and all graffiti. I don't think it's terribly intelligent, but I can understand.
But art, man. Arrrrt. You can't put limits like that on art. Robots destroying each other can be art. A play is art. Plays are less tangible and permanent than graffiti.
Step off, man. Step off.
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Your putting words in my mouth; an artist who's sole medium is one that will be torn down or sandblasted off is just jerking around for that one shot, it makes me happy deal.
Taggers are even worse; premature ejaculators with no imagination.
Drella could do the same thing over and over, and make it into a true work of art. He redefined what is art. Had he just spray painted buildings, few would know him now.
People will still be enjoying Warhol's contributions to art 100+ years from now.
Just saying...
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<Reply # 62 on 4/5/2007 4:45 PM >
| | | | Your putting words in my mouth; an artist who's sole medium is one that will be torn down or sandblasted off is just jerking around for that one shot, it makes me happy deal.
Taggers are even worse; premature ejaculators with no imagination.
Drella could do the same thing over and over, and make it into a true work of art. He redefined what is art. Had he just spray painted buildings, few would know him now. |
I don't think Andy Warhol's really the best example. The guy was a bit of a con-artist. If he printed the same things over and over again it was because he was lazy and knew there were enough suckers out there who would buy whatever he had other people mass-produce for him. If anything, he just proved how ridiculous the concept of "art" can be. If he were alive today I'm guessing he'd probably be taking the side of people who you're criticizing now.
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<Reply # 63 on 4/5/2007 5:03 PM >
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I don't think Andy Warhol's really the best example. The guy was a bit of a con-artist. If he printed the same things over and over again it was because he was lazy and knew there were enough suckers out there who would buy whatever he had other people mass-produce for him.
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You don't get to his level of success and redefine art by being lazy.
No such thing.
He was constantly working, and never had an easy life even as a child.
Just because he understood how to be successful commercially doesn't mean he was a hack. Far from it.
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<Reply # 64 on 4/5/2007 5:10 PM >
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I don't think Andy Warhol's really the best example. The guy was a bit of a con-artist. If he printed the same things over and over again it was because he was lazy and knew there were enough suckers out there who would buy whatever he had other people mass-produce for him. If anything, he just proved how ridiculous the concept of "art" can be. If he were alive today I'm guessing he'd probably be taking the side of people who you're criticizing now.
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You're a serious and badly addled crack addict, aren't you? Admit it...you'll feel better.
The highlighted selection (above) demonstrates a glaring lack of knowledge/critical response to one of the 20th century's great(est) artists.
I'd take the time to develope a nuanced response, but that would be a waste of time. So I'll just say this: you're a dumb dumb.
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MutantMandias
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<Reply # 66 on 4/5/2007 5:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Your putting words in my mouth; an artist who's sole medium is one that will be torn down or sandblasted off is just jerking around for that one shot, it makes me happy deal.
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I don't have any idea what you're saying, but it sounds like you think transitory art is worthless. Frankly, my favorite art in the world is leaving things that will be found by maybe one person before it ceases to exist. And when I find things like that, that other people have left, it fills me with more joy than anything I have ever seen in a museum.
Posted by blackhawk
Drella could do the same thing over and over, and make it into a true work of art. He redefined what is art. Had he just spray painted buildings, few would know him now.
People will still be enjoying Warhol's contributions to art 100+ years from now.
Just saying...
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Fame and longevity aren't always the best indicators of anything.
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<Reply # 67 on 4/5/2007 5:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
I don't have any idea what you're saying, but it sounds like you think transitory art is worthless. Frankly, my favorite art in the world is leaving things that will be found by maybe one person before it ceases to exist. And when I find things like that, that other people have left, it fills me with more joy than anything I have ever seen in a museum.
Fame and longevity aren't always the best indicators of anything.
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That is surely because the shit found in museums has been hand picked through the art world, as works of friends from a friend. Sometimes I go to art shows and really wonder what can can be passed off as art, but if you in good with a granting body and gallery your set for life, talented or not.
And yes I say this as someone who is an artist and also has worked the IN the gallery scene. Any kind of crap can pass art if you know the right peeps, but then that is like everything else I guess.
if you like transitory art, graf artist other is a good example. He draws and paints on/with found objects -- found where else in abandonments. He used to be a graffiti art but now paints with all mediums. I cant think of a better use for old wood boards and stuff.
Other is from montreal.
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<Reply # 68 on 4/5/2007 5:26 PM >
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I don't have any idea what you're saying, but it sounds like you think transitory art is worthless.
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Not at all. Vandalism is though.
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<Reply # 69 on 4/5/2007 5:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
People will still be enjoying Warhol's contributions to art 100+ years from now.
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I enjoyed Warhol's contribution to art for lunch just now. Wait, not Warhol's...Campbell's. Right.
Warhol's art was not his contribution to art. His contribution to art was convincing the world that what he did was art. *This is not an insult, it is a compliment*
However, Warhol pales in comparison to Istvan Kantor. Banned from most major art museums globally, most of his most infamous artworks (the blood art ones) last a fraction of the time of the average grafitti piece, and he's received Canada's Governor General's Award for his art. Most of which is illegal.
Just an example to establish my agreement with Mandias' love of transitory art, and also to further derail this thread.
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<Reply # 70 on 4/5/2007 5:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by KublaKhan
You're a serious and badly addled crack addict, aren't you? Admit it...you'll feel better.
The highlighted selection (above) demonstrates a glaring lack of knowledge/critical response to one of the 20th century's great(est) artists.
I'd take the time to develope a nuanced response, but that would be a waste of time. So I'll just say this: you're a dumb dumb.
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<Reply # 71 on 4/5/2007 5:56 PM >
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Now THAT ^ is art.
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<Reply # 72 on 4/5/2007 6:40 PM >
|  | | | Graff is still vandalism, regardless of if it is visually appealing or not.
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<Reply # 73 on 4/5/2007 6:57 PM >
| | | | I take it back, Warhol only hired other people and used mass-production techniques to duplicate his work because he was trying to make a statement. Being able to make a fuckload of money from any of it must never have crossed his mind.
I'm not disputing his role as a true artist and I guess "fraud" was probably too strong a word for it. Warhol never really claimed that he was ever doing anything more than "nothing." I just get annoyed when people like Blackhawk start jizzing themselves over a can of soup and go on about the guy like he was michel-fucking-angelo. I can admire him as an artist, but I really can't admire his fug work.
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<Reply # 74 on 4/5/2007 7:16 PM >
| | | | I think the analogy between Warhol and artist/vandals like Banksy is fitting. I believe both artists made their chosen medium their art form. Warhol didn't just make paintings, rather he played off existing notions of the nature of art and manipulated them brilliantly. Likewise, Banksy isn't simply tagging walls; he is using civic infrastructure as his canvas and makes an intelligent commentary in the process.
In fact, Banksy did a take on Warhol's Campbells Soup by producing a similar canvas of generic discount tomato soup. He liked the disapointment on visitors faces and though it was a fitting analogy.
But I honestly don't know much of this "art" you speak of as I'm a biochemist by training.
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<Reply # 75 on 4/6/2007 12:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by Atrix
I think the analogy between Warhol and artist/vandals like Banksy is fitting. I believe both artists made their chosen medium their art form. Warhol didn't just make paintings, rather he played off existing notions of the nature of art and manipulated them brilliantly. Likewise, Banksy isn't simply tagging walls; he is using civic infrastructure as his canvas and makes an intelligent commentary in the process.
In fact, Banksy did a take on Warhol's Campbells Soup by producing a similar canvas of generic discount tomato soup. He liked the disapointment on visitors faces and though it was a fitting analogy.
But I honestly don't know much of this "art" you speak of as I'm a biochemist by training.
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Just so you know Bansky is the successful rip-off of an artist called blek-da-rat in Paris. A stencil artist is not a graffiti artist, but he has managed to pass himself off as one successfully.
I also wonder how many of you are wearing/buying "OBEY" products by Giant. He's gotten so popular you'd almost think he was a corporation onto himself.
As for Warhol? He was just at the right time at the right place, just like Basquiat and Keith Harring.
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<Reply # 76 on 4/6/2007 1:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by Azubi.UK
Graff is still vandalism, regardless of if it is visually appealing or not.
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Posted by blackhawk
Not at all. Vandalism is though.
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Agreed here.
Regardless of how well the piece was thought out and made, if it was sprayed on a structure without the owner's permission, it is plain vandalism.
And that includes all structures. Public property (ie overpasses) or private property (buildings etc).
Just my two cents worth in this never ending battle.
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<Reply # 77 on 4/6/2007 2:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
Regardless of how well the piece was thought out and made, if it was sprayed on a structure without the owner's permission, it is plain vandalism.
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Of course. And regardless of where it is or what permissions were obtained, if it has artistic merit, it is art.
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<Reply # 78 on 4/6/2007 2:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Of course. And regardless of where it is or what permissions were obtained, if it has artistic merit, it is art.
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Murals I like, but...
In the case of damaged property it has no merit what so ever.
It's an expensive, pain in the ass clean up.
It's bad enough outside, but they love to interior decorate too.
It makes sites that were untouched look like shit.
And then the smashing starts. All the glass. Doors. Walls. Cats. Pianos.
read between the lines
Then one one of them lights a fire...
fuck that.
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<Reply # 79 on 4/6/2007 2:45 AM >
| | | | Posted by MutantMandias
Of course. And regardless of where it is or what permissions were obtained, if it has artistic merit, it is art.
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The property owner is the judge of merit. Not you.
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