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 andrea
    
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
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<Reply # 140 on 12/3/2004 1:40 PM >
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How would you suggest we go about handing these things out? It just wouldn't work.
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Yeah, I am not a vandal, but very few people on this site know me as more than some person on these fourms. I don't think I would be "trusted", and I really like the DB and enjoy the freedom to look at more than 3 thing a day....
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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Kay O. Sweaver
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
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<Reply # 141 on 12/3/2004 10:32 PM >
| | | | How about regional representatives who can help to make judgements on what material is sensitive and who is trusted? People with local knowledge can certainly make more informed decisions regarding many issues like these and others. Incidentally how were the moderators chosen on UER? Are they a representative cross section of the users or are they all 20 something white middle class males who live within an hour of each other?
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 142 on 12/3/2004 10:46 PM >
|  | | | The moderators were chosen by admin, based upon trusting them and feeling they'd be right for the job. I don't think any one of us was chosen because we wanted to be a mod, nobody was asking to be (though i asked to change from being just BC to all over as well because it was infuriating to not be able to put regional posts in the right region...)
Avatar-X: Toronto, Ontario
Crossfire: London, Ontario
Detroit: Ottawa, Ontario
Drie: New York somewhere
Freak: Alaska somewhere
Jester: Vancouver, BC
Krenta: Minneapolis Minnesota
MacGyver: Minneapolis Minnesota
Ninjalicious: Toronto, Ontario
Noah Vale: Texas somewhere
Servo: Alabama somewhere
Shane: Florida, Miami?
Silent Knight: Niagra area, Ontario
The Hitman's Daughter: States and Canada
uem-Tux: Montreal, Quebec
Partial mod: Anymouse: Calgary, Alberta
More in Ontario, but thats where it originated. Otherwise, the mods are spread out across North America. Ages ranging from around 20 - middle thirties I believe. Only 2 females, but considering the percentage of female uer members, thats probably more than an equal percentage.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Mike Dijital
    
UEDB Moderator
Location: Boston MA.
Gender: Male
UE ver. 1.0
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<Reply # 143 on 12/4/2004 4:41 AM >
| | | | You guys need mike Diji to rep the Boston sect.
These DB changes are a good start. I still say trash it. But whatever.
and For the record there is a UER.ca tag in Danvers state, and im not responsible.
www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com |
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
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<Reply # 144 on 12/4/2004 5:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Avatar-X: Toronto, Ontario
Crossfire: London, Ontario
Detroit: Ottawa, Ontario
Drie: New York somewhere
Freak: Alaska somewhere
Jester: Vancouver, BC
Krenta: Minneapolis Minnesota
MacGyver: Minneapolis Minnesota
Ninjalicious: Toronto, Ontario
Noah Vale: Texas somewhere
Servo: Alabama somewhere
Shane: Florida, Miami?
Silent Knight: Niagra area, Ontario
The Hitman's Daughter: States and Canada
uem-Tux: Montreal, Quebec
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So what you are saying is this: we need an 'international mod' who lives off the N America continent ???
Good call Jester!
Chris...
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
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<Reply # 145 on 12/4/2004 5:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
These DB changes are a good start. I still say trash it. But whatever.
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And thank fuck you only represent a 'vocal' minority Mike!
Chris...
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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Burzum
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 146 on 12/4/2004 10:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Avatar-X: Toronto, Ontario
Crossfire: London, Ontario
Detroit: Ottawa, Ontario
Drie: New York somewhere
Freak: Alaska somewhere
Jester: Vancouver, BC
Krenta: Minneapolis Minnesota
MacGyver: Minneapolis Minnesota
Ninjalicious: Toronto, Ontario
Noah Vale: Texas somewhere
Servo: Alabama somewhere
Shane: Florida, Miami?
Silent Knight: Niagra area, Ontario
The Hitman's Daughter: States and Canada
uem-Tux: Montreal, Quebec
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sucks to be in the Western United States - if the importance of mods is going to increase in some way, shouldn't something be done to extend the regional basis of the group? there is a significant amount of clustering, and whole areas even within North America. plus, as turbozutech pointed out, no representative from outside of North America.
www.rouskrew.com
because evil won't just do itself. |
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keti
Moderator
Location: Providence, RI
Gender: Female
#EA98DE
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<Reply # 147 on 12/4/2004 11:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
You guys need mike Diji to rep the Boston sect.
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Oh dear god. I'd like to think you'd be the LAST person on the list of possible moderatos for this area.
[23:38:31] <metawaffle> I'm surprised the NE forum doesn't fall off UER from the weight of thread locks
uer.ca is like / being in the mob / basically, a / ninja mob. - Aleksandar |
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scarlett
Location: Toronto
Gender: Female
a slip of the tongue
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<Reply # 148 on 12/5/2004 9:51 PM >
| | | | On the use of the DB:
-I personally don't use it that much, because i'd much rather add to it than cover old territory. Half the thrill is finding a place no one else knows about, and exploring it. But i do enjoy seeing/sharing the photos and experience. Location isn't necessary, if i really want to visit a place, I'll PM the creator of the location.
On changes to the DB:
-I think what was done is sufficient, for now. If this doesn't work, we can maybe look at increasing security or even implementing that trusted star thing; just generally taking more drastic measures. However, there's no need to totally slash the DB right off the mark. It's easier to go down in little steps then do a huge leap (like ATP! stupid biology  )
On the trusted star:
-I hate to play devil's advocate but it seems those who support this idea the most are those who had their stars taken away. Would a lollipop help? (JK, i don't wanna get flamed!). Seriously though, it has pros and cons, but although it's a great idea in theory I'm sure it would be quite annoying and time consuming to implement in practice. Although, if we had regular meets (like once every three months or so - just little ones like the one RW organized a couple weeks ago) that might help. But that's a lot of structure for a hobby like this.
On donating = trusted:
-I can't donate through paypal and my mommy said I can't send money through the mail. If I give you money the next time i see you, Av, does that count as a donation?  Otherwise no one will trust me!
(seriously though  )
On giving out too much info:
-I know we all wanna be nice but when people pm you, or when they post asking for information, it helps to try and discern what sort they are. Even ask around, see if anyone knows them, or just click and see their profile. Have they added locations or posted useful stuff in the forum? How long have they been a member? That should give you an excellent idea of how trustworthy they probably are.
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 149 on 12/7/2004 6:59 AM >
| | | | Meh, I'm not a big fan of the LDB, so I'm in favor of anything that would limit the information available on there. It's just too easy and cut and dried. As it is, it seems too much like a shopping list and I don't feel comfortable posting sites to it. If it were more based around just being an image gallery with only fake names and virtually no info, I would be alot more likely to post in it.
As for the trusted star thing, it's not all that difficult to gain trust on here, even if you don't live near a moderator. I was made a mod after being here less than a year and never having met a single person from the site. I would be in favor of bringing back the star.
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 150 on 12/7/2004 7:06 AM >
| | | | I also thought the trusted star could have been quite useful, if we'd implemented a 3 degrees of someone rule maybe. Like a mod knows member A, and trusts them, member A says member B is trustworthy, by virtue of the line of trust, he'd be able to get a trusted star. So even people that aren't anywhere near a mod, but were vouched for by someone, would get the trusted rating.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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The Hitman's Daughter
Account Closed
Location: ottawa, canada
Gender: Female
hot pavement.
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<Reply # 151 on 12/7/2004 7:29 AM >
| | | | i forsee problems
someone with the trusted star will eventually fuck up and do something dumb (we're only human) and people will revolt and the trusted star will be meaningless
richellesart.com
From now on and until the end of time, "Hip To Be Square" will conjure images of bloody bodies being hacked apart with axes.
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 152 on 12/7/2004 7:36 AM >
| | | | From my understanding, the trusted star wasn't about someone being a super-ethical explorer. It was more about going "hey this guy is a real person that is into UE, he's not a cop, property owner, private detective, or some dumb tagger/arsonist looking for targets".
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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Control
Location: NYC, All day every day.
Because it's expected
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<Reply # 153 on 12/7/2004 9:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by HauntedPA
That's what we all used to do before the DB was put into place. Nothing was in one location making it "easy" to find places. Hours upon hours were spent driving around and searching online for places. E-mailing other groups, ect...I think that is something a lot of newer folks have lost because of it. It has it's pros and cons, just like everything else.
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I think there were a lot more pros to the 'old' method. We still use that 'old' method here, and it works wonders at keeping the smash and grab types at bay. What has listing names and addresses of locations done other than make it easy for lazy explorers and even easier still for the smash and grab types out there... Hell, one could say UE was better off without the internet. back then, the only people into it were serious, putting in the time and the effort. Increasingly though, thanks to the web, there's just lazy people going to the same tired spots everyone else has been over and over without doing anything new...
The Zoo York Goon Squad.
If it looks good, Loot it. |
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Roland
Location: Baltimore, MD
Gender: Male
Proud Leader of Brandishing a Firearm on the High Seas UE
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<Reply # 154 on 12/7/2004 10:38 PM >
| | | | I see some people saying that the DB would be better off with galleries and little to no information, but for me that defeats one of the main reasons I like looking at the DB. I've only been to one or two places that I've seen on the DB first, and instead of using it for a shopping list I like to take a look at some places I'll probably never get to go to, like some of the asylums in Scotland, for example. When looking at these places I find having a sense of history and background, knowing what the place is, where it is, who used it and for what, really enhances what I get out of the pictures.
Buildings have two natural enemies- water, and bears. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 155 on 12/7/2004 10:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by Roland
When looking at these places I find having a sense of history and background, knowing what the place is, where it is, who used it and for what, really enhances what I get out of the pictures.
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That's really what I see individual sites are for... Not the mega store one stop shopping LDB...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Skaught
Location: Calgary
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 156 on 12/7/2004 11:14 PM >
| | | | The trusted star was trouble waiting to happen. Despite having a huge community of explorers he in Alberta (most of whom who do not visit this site) I am not aware of any explorers here who ever had a trusted star. And in terms of moderators, Mouse and I were given half mod status as despite the fact we active ethical and serious explorers, our differences of opinion with others on here means we are not trusted.
We had huge issues with trusted vs. non-trusted on UEA so now everyone has their own trusted stars to give away to ppl who they trust. Av thinks it is bit complex from the computer side but computers are here to serve us, not the other way around.
If you ever come to Calgary then email [email protected] and you'll be made welcome, taken to locations and given free accommodation. We'll help save you the $$$ you spend on the flight over here :) |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 157 on 12/8/2004 12:31 AM >
| | | | Well, considering seemingly all shunned this place and would just extoll it's evil vileness, is it a wonder nobody was given a trusted star ? You had your own message board where you'd spend most of your time, until it imploded.
The fact that you and Mouse were given partial mod powers here is testament that you are trusted, if you weren't, you wouldn't have been given that. And if I'd thought you cared about getting a trusted star, I'd have given you both the star when it was around.
I still think the trusted star had good potential if implemented right, which I don't think it ever was.
[last edit 12/8/2004 4:26 AM by Servo - edited 3 times]
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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oCtAnE
Location: TORONTO, CANADA
Gender: Male
EXPLORER AT LARGE
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<Reply # 158 on 12/8/2004 2:06 AM >
| | | | The trusted star was a good idea, and still is. I agree with Jester that if implemented right, it has potential.
In response to Scarlett's post about the trusted star for people who donate:
That could cause significant problems as well. It's almost like buying your status. Someone who is totally untrustable could donate 10 bucks, and then they get the star. There could be a way of screening people that donate before they get a star, but still......
Ah well.
-Octane
FUELED BY OCTANE. |
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Skaught
Location: Calgary
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Location Database Changes
<Reply # 159 on 12/8/2004 3:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Well, considering seemingly all shunned this place and would just extoll it's evil vileness, is it a wonder nobody was given a trusted star ? You had your own message board where you'd spend most of your time, until it imploded.
The fact that you and Mouse were given partial mod powers here is testament that you are trusted, if you weren't, you wouldn't have been given that. And if I'd thought you cared about getting a trusted star, I'd have given you both the star when it was around.
I still think the trusted star had good potential if implemented right, which I don't think it ever was.
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Trusted as far as we had to be to not make others look bad. Don't twist it to make it look like you are being altruistic about trusted stars. Trusted stars and mod status are awarded by a process involving invidual opinion and person likes/dislikes. Now you can award such things based on personal likes but don't pretend it is some sort of democratic process.
This is all like Jr. High student Council all over again. It is about perceived popularity. If we want to choose good leaders in a community we need people who are experenced in UE, not politics, and will do what is best for the community and not have the best costume.
Unlike others, I did not "own" any messageboard. I do not think anyone in a democratic society can own a community. In fact it was misguided beliefs like yours that caused the issues on the UEA board. And for a person who had a huge part in what happened and shares a certain amount of responsibility you may want to show a bit of humility.
This is all politics. It has nothing to do with UE.
There are a lot of very quiet explorers out there who are doing more UE in their pinky than you or I but you seem content to impress newbs out there with all your 3l337 UE skills and nice leotards. Why exactly do you have mod status? You do not support anything resembling a local community, visitors to your city, including, Ninj, Kowalski, and many others do more ue in a few days than you do in a year. And all your time on UEA consisted of playing flamewar with Anymouse and Q. Two of the nearest explorers to you and who I know are both dedicated explorers. I still fail to understand how a serious explorer who is doing UE seriously can do UE without getting caught on at least several occaisions. All the big names have been caught plenty of times. Ninj at least 7 times for example. Maybe Ninj just doesn't know what he is doing. I could have done much of my UE without getting caught the times I did but it would not be nearly as fun. I would't have taken any risks and getting caught is not the end of ones life that some think it is. Actually it seems the ones who have never been caught and have not bothered to do their homework on what cuaght means are the ones that fear it most. Ya I avoid being caught, but I do not let it get in the way of an important part of my life.
There are a long list of explorers out there who I respect for both their dedication to UE and their intelligence and and level headedness. Ya I might be a bit more unabashed about what I think but dammint I am going to check my facts before I make an absolute statement.
I sure as hell do not want to be a moderator on this forum. The definition of moderator is:
One that moderates, as:
One that arbitrates or mediates.
One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.
Here moderators are editors and censors. Just the other day I had another post deleted. What are my choices at that point? Stand up for my rights and beliefs and get banned again? Or I could just ignore it and use it as a reminder that most people in this world are simply misguided. But do I simply write off the world as 4 billion morons? My irrational faith in humanity says no, my pragmatic side says fuck 'em.
In the end all I can do is stand up for what I feel is right, in the words of Trudeau, "Watch me"
This post will get deleted, I can see it already, none of the mods on here have the vision to see what it means and they will write it off as negative. God forbid we had bit of negativity in our little suburbia here.
If you ever come to Calgary then email [email protected] and you'll be made welcome, taken to locations and given free accommodation. We'll help save you the $$$ you spend on the flight over here :) |
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