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FoxTwoFoxTwo
 
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
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< on 3/20/2006 11:14 PM >
|  | | | Well, many have had run ins with violent homeless and just plain "badness makers" just by the very nature of UE. So, when it comes down to it, what advice do you all have for us? What kind of ways can you defend yourself if you are in a bind?
EDIT: No I am not a self defense expert but I do know a thing or two.
First of all:
Run: Seriously, you can't act tough if you're dead.
Strike the weak points: Face? Eyes? Throat? Groin? Yes, if they are exposed, don't give the "Don't go for the balls" pride bs, if that can give you 5 seconds of running time from a guy with a knife, do it.
Improvised weapons: See an old lead pipe? Toilet tank cover? Yeah, anything heavy or sharp will do. Bonus points for both!
Guns: Shouldnt be carrying them first of all (don't even start on this). But, if the attacker has one, chances are, they are one of two kinds of people. Someone who is ready to use it, or someone who isnt. If they come up and jam it in your face and "politely" request your belongings, I'd say do it unless trained to fight this certain scenario.
WARNING: The following technique CAN aggrevate the attacker AND get you quite dead, quite quickly.
If the attacker is not satisfied, start a slow and "scared" speech like "Oh, please, don't hurt me." Except in the middle of your sentence(to take him or her by surprise), very quickly grab the gun in your closest hand and your attacker's forearm in the other, as soon as you have grabbed the gun, preferably not blocking the barrel, jerk it up and out of the way while tilting it back FORCEFULLY. While doing this, use your other hand and jerk his or her hand down and tilt it in the other direction. The gun will probably go off, continue to wrench the gun and arm like this until A ) The gun is in your possession, or B ) The attacker's trigger finger is broken and the gun is in your possession.
Once all that is done, feel free to pistol whip/shoot your attacker and phone the authorities. Stay there and don't shoot your attacker again for vengeance. Remember: One broke finger and/or one bullet wound is explainable.
Hope this helps clue some people in. Remember, that technique is dangerous so if you aren't trained in martial arts, don't attempt it. (or if the person wants to continue attacking, by which time you'll probably be dead if they are that crazy).
Comments? Other ideas? Please don't turn this into a flame topic!
EDIT AGAIN: stupid smilies...
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Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
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Krawnik
 
location:
Kingston/Toronto
Gender: Male
Raiders of the Lost Architecture
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 1 on 3/20/2006 11:19 PM >
| | | | I think the best self-defense advice most people here should be taking is "if the other guy has a gun, do what he says". If he wants your money or equipment, I know it's heartbreaking, but just let him have it. You're not going to get much use out of it if you've been shot in the face. Actually engaging somebody who is armed is not reccomended at all, especially if you're unarmed yourself. I have some slight martial arts training, but I would definetly not mess with someone who had a weapon unless I had one myself, or outnumbered the attacker(s).
friggin' racists messing up my generalizations, also stealing my jobs, women.
RIP, Ninj. |
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ColdWater
 
location:
boston
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 2 on 3/21/2006 12:11 AM >
| | | | are you stupid? You cant learn anti gun defense from reading some crap online.
go take some eskrima courses or something. No matter how many forum threads you read online, without correct and large amounts of training, its not gonna work.
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basilthebatlord
  
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Ann Arbor, Michigan
Gender: Male
The Mattel and Mars Bar Quick Energy Chocobot Hour
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 3 on 3/21/2006 12:26 AM >
| | | | ive never had a situation where self defense was necessary, as ive never run into anyone i wasn't expecting (like guards, workers, etc.). personally, i think the best idea is to run, most people wont go after some random kid.
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seicer
  
location:
New York
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 4 on 3/21/2006 12:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by basilthebatlord
ive never had a situation where self defense was necessary, as ive never run into anyone i wasn't expecting (like guards, workers, etc.). personally, i think the best idea is to run, most people wont go after some random kid.
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I have, and from personal experience, when some burglar wants to steal your equipment worth $2000 total from you, then it's best to fight back if he is unarmed. Beat the guy senseless and then ran for it when we could get away. Mind you, this was in a dead-end and the only way out was through him.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 5 on 3/21/2006 12:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by basilthebatlord
ive never had a situation where self defense was necessary, as ive never run into anyone i wasn't expecting (like guards, workers, etc.). personally, i think the best idea is to run, most people wont go after some random kid.
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I have never been in a plane crash(but they do happen and I was training to be a pilot), but you still practice all the time for them.
I have never had any major injuries on a expedition, but I still carry a cellphone and a medical kit.
Now tell me do you know how to swim? Would you like a trip back in time on the titianic?
100 people have a gun drawn on them (and report it to the cops) and run. From that 100 only 10 are ever hit by a bullet. From that 10 only 1 dies.
If you are faced with a gun holding idiot, don't do what they say(unless you cant escape) run. Thats FBI statistics not my own.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Krawnik
location:
Kingston/Toronto
Gender: Male
Raiders of the Lost Architecture
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 6 on 3/21/2006 3:20 AM >
| | | | I appreciate that only 1 in 100 people who have a gun pulled on them are shot and killed, but you only have to be shot and killed once to look like an idiot for trying to get away.
friggin' racists messing up my generalizations, also stealing my jobs, women.
RIP, Ninj. |
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Glass
location:
Chicago
as one does
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<Reply # 7 on 3/21/2006 3:24 AM >
| | | | Camera equipment in Pelican case.
Burglar strikes.
Glass strike with camera case.
Burglar runs.
<=== That's PURE AND UNRESTRAINED manliness.
Hehe.
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MindHacker
location:
Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 8 on 3/21/2006 5:10 AM >
| | | | Its always a good idea, if they are armed or not, to have your hands up in a "please don't hurt me" position. It looks innocent, but lets you slip into a punch (or a grab) very quickly. They even went over this in my self defense class, and my friend and classmate said that he used it in a bar in israel. Please don't hurt me, hit, hit, run.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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SilentSearch
location:
Cowtown
Gender: Male
My rebellion against the santa cursor! HoHoHo
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 9 on 3/21/2006 5:29 AM >
| | | | First, I resemble a cop(dress, hair style, build, age), so most folks of that persuasion tend to avoid me. Second, I don't explore alone.(strength in numbers). Always be aware of the surroundings and use your ears as early warning devices.
Every situation is different and it's difficult to advise one on how to defend oneself and all situations. My advice would first be to avoid any/all contact first, back out quick if you supprise someone and get the heck out of dodge asap.
I don't carry guns or any offensive weapon. Not even one of those extendable steel batons like the po po carries. Only a big can of CS so I can incapacitate the assailant long enough to beat a hasty retreat.
I figure a lot of the members here are young, (under 20) and adult homeless people tend to feel superior to people that age. Bare this in mind. If you know your foe, you have a large part of the battle won.
Be safe!
Official UE Safety officer and rescue specialist. |
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dogyeaars
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<Reply # 10 on 3/21/2006 5:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
100 people have a gun drawn on them (and report it to the cops) and run. From that 100 only 10 are ever hit by a bullet. From that 10 only 1 dies.
If you are faced with a gun holding idiot, don't do what they say(unless you cant escape) run. Thats FBI statistics not my own.
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I don't find your statistics comforting at all.
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
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<Reply # 11 on 3/21/2006 6:06 AM >
| | | | CS? You mean capsicin? Like pepper spray?
Also ColdWater, I told you first and foremost that the thing I wrote about was a dangerous technique but I felt that if the person was jamming the gun in someone's face and jammering about something crazy even after you've surrendered your equipment, I don't want a UER Member to end up dead without a fight for no reason. And I do know people need a lot of training before they can successfully disarm an attacker, that technique I showed is a very easy one that can be practiced (not full contact, cause after a while your partner is tired of a broken finger) easily.
But really, these things DO happen! Arm yourself with knowledge! I agree that the arms up posture can easily be used to deceive attackers. Also, yeah a camera can be used as a manly bludgeoning weapon of hurt and badness, glass. But, don't forget the nearby trashcan lid, or gutter nail.
Just want to help people. And for God's sake, read the cautions on posts before you ask me if I'm stupid.
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
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Azrael
location:
South West UK
Gender: Male
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 12 on 3/21/2006 11:08 AM >
| | | | | 100 people have a gun drawn on them (and report it to the cops) and run. From that 100 only 10 are ever hit by a bullet. |
I like those odds!
Urban Explorers always take the red pill... |
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Grey_Fox
location:
London, ON, Canada
Gender: Male
I love me...
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 13 on 3/21/2006 1:32 PM >
| | | | hmm. interesting post. if someone has a gun or any other weapon and you are not trained in anti weapon combat do whatever he(usually)/she says. If you do know anti-weapon combat, i don't need to explain...
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"good old bunny and hand soup... just like mom used to make" |
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0U812
location:
Lubbock, TX
Gender: Female
Texploration
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 14 on 3/21/2006 2:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by Krawnik
I think the best self-defense advice most people here should be taking is "if the other guy has a gun, do what he says". If he wants your money or equipment, I know it's heartbreaking, but just let him have it. You're not going to get much use out of it if you've been shot in the face. Actually engaging somebody who is armed is not reccomended at all, especially if you're unarmed yourself. I have some slight martial arts training, but I would definetly not mess with someone who had a weapon unless I had one myself, or outnumbered the attacker(s).
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Amen.
I figured out what's wrong with life:
It's other people. |
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Hunter_11
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<Reply # 15 on 3/21/2006 6:01 PM >
|  | | | lol
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ToastProphet
Gender: Male
Tea! That's all I needed. Good cup of tea.
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<Reply # 16 on 3/21/2006 6:08 PM >
| | | | this thread reminds me of self defense against attackers with fruit. come on, attack me with the banana. come on come on, BANG.
when i first started i used to be really concerned with weapons and self defense, but i've learned that all you will ever need is the ability to control your ego/anger/whatever and to be able to get out fast. i dropped carrying weapons early on and focused instead on learning parkour. not carrying knives, etc not only makes you less suspicious, it also leaves you more free to move, which is what is most important. submission and agility are all you're going to probably need against a disorientated, starving junkie. don't be so fast to beat someone into the ground with a large blunt object, they'll take care of themselves probably. plus you get to do cool ninja stuff this way.
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Azrael
location:
South West UK
Gender: Male
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 17 on 3/21/2006 9:40 PM >
| | | | Don't try anti-weapon moves if you don't already know them and if you are concerned take a couple of self-defence classes, this goes especially for the ladies. There was a post by a poor girl on this site who was nearly gang-raped on an exploration, i think everyone should have been made to read that story but it was in quite a backwater thread. Also, don't go it alone.
Urban Explorers always take the red pill... |
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 18 on 3/21/2006 11:00 PM >
| | | | Posted by Azrael
Don't try anti-weapon moves if you don't already know them and if you are concerned take a couple of self-defence classes, this goes especially for the ladies. There was a post by a poor girl on this site who was nearly gang-raped on an exploration, i think everyone should have been made to read that story but it was in quite a backwater thread. Also, don't go it alone.
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Yeah Pepperpot's tale was definately on my mind when I decided to post this.
As stated in my original post: If the person has a weapon, try and do what he/she says. If they persist and look as if they will kill you anyways, fight back at least. Otherwise, run like hell. Get stuff between him/her and you. Do the classic ninja leap over the trashcan while knocking it over, whatever.
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
Journal: http://www.uer.ca/...id=4&catid=2000173 | RUAUER!?!?!?111ONE??QUESTIONMARK | FoxTwoFoxTwo - "I just ordered a large. I have a relatively huge head so yeah..." |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 19 on 3/22/2006 4:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by dogyeaars
I don't find your statistics comforting at all.
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I forget the comparison to people who stayed and did what they were told but that was far worse statistically.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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