|
junkyard
  
location:
LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
 |  |  | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 60 on 4/4/2006 3:48 PM >
|  | | | I find it funny that seicer and I agree on something too. I work too hard for what I have and if you try to take it, there's going to be a fight. But on the other hand I have never run into this situation. I've run across hundreds of bums, most are really decent people. I've gotten info from them on other places. But yes if it ever came to one trying to take something, they'd get a maglight or a baton and a few lumps and that's about it. One more thing about laws, they haven't stopped trespassing. If somehow a bum were the 'legal' resident of a property, he'd have to prove it, show up in court, and have your name. All of which is very unlikely, not impossible, but unlikely. So I would be less inclined to worry about stupid little known laws like that and take care of the business at hand. On a side note did you know that in SD it is still legal to shoot an Indian if there are more than 3, because that's considered a war party? Somehow I think that law would be overlooked and you would wind up in prison anyway. Laws are only good also if they will be prosecuted, which isn't always the case. Have fun with your little argument now. 
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
|
WhiteSox
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 61 on 4/6/2006 8:21 PM >
| | | | A friend of mine suggested bringing katanas with us next time. I like the idea... for a ninja game. It didn't seem too clever to me to bring swords with you when infiltrating. Other thoughts on this, anyone?
'Sox |
|
Krawnik
 
location:
Kingston/Toronto
Gender: Male
Raiders of the Lost Architecture
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 62 on 4/6/2006 9:09 PM >
| | | | I always say that if you have katanas, there's no good reason not to take them everywhere.
friggin' racists messing up my generalizations, also stealing my jobs, women.
RIP, Ninj. |
|
FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| |  | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 63 on 4/6/2006 9:52 PM >
| | | | Katanas < Police Bullets
Unless you're some crazy martial arts hermit...
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
Journal: http://www.uer.ca/...id=4&catid=2000173 | RUAUER!?!?!?111ONE??QUESTIONMARK | FoxTwoFoxTwo - "I just ordered a large. I have a relatively huge head so yeah..." |
|
Glass
     
location:
Chicago
as one does
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 64 on 4/6/2006 10:17 PM >
| | | | Posted by FoxTwoFoxTwo
Katanas < Police Bullets
Unless you're some crazy martial arts hermit...
|
I was looking under this bridge and Kraw jumped out. Before he chased me with a sword I took this picture:
-Glass
|
|
FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 65 on 4/6/2006 11:25 PM >
| | | | Hahahaha I knew that pic would come back some day!
REVIVE THE NINJA FOX!!1ONE!
That was my first serious "operation" for UE I'd devised and convinced my friends to help me with. Thinking back, it was ridiculous but funny in a cute and innocent noobish way.
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
Journal: http://www.uer.ca/...id=4&catid=2000173 | RUAUER!?!?!?111ONE??QUESTIONMARK | FoxTwoFoxTwo - "I just ordered a large. I have a relatively huge head so yeah..." |
|
WhiteSox
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 66 on 4/7/2006 11:46 PM >
| | | | | I always say that if you have katanas, there's no good reason not to take them everywhere. |
LOL Good point xD
Then again;
Katanas < Police Bullets
Unless you're some crazy martial arts hermit... |
True. Slim chance we'll actually use, let alone unsheath them, but heck, it's jolly good fun anyhow. I'll think about it; =)
-= 'Sox =-
'Sox |
|
Krawnik
location:
Kingston/Toronto
Gender: Male
Raiders of the Lost Architecture
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 67 on 4/8/2006 6:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by FoxTwoFoxTwo
Katanas < Police Bullets
|
Woah, I think we're forgetting that holding a katana not only makes you bulletproof, but also irresistable to women. Hasn't anyone here seen Yojimbo? Guns've got nothing on that guy!
friggin' racists messing up my generalizations, also stealing my jobs, women.
RIP, Ninj. |
|
Fort Minor
location:
Vancouver
Gender: Male
Le Parkour + UE: A Winning Combination
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 68 on 5/12/2006 1:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krawnik
Woah, I think we're forgetting that holding a katana not only makes you bulletproof, but also irresistable to women. Hasn't anyone here seen Yojimbo? Guns've got nothing on that guy!
|
duh xD
"I'm a pioneer f**kin up stereotypes,
I snatched chains as a kid, made you carry your bike."
-All Night; Fort Minor |
|
femaledragonx
location:
Detroit & Everywhere Else I can dream up to go to
The singularity is near
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 69 on 5/12/2006 4:22 AM >
| | | | it really is different in different states, and even in different areas within in each state. this question of weapons is a tough one. here is a story of something i experienced in NYC, where i live, that demonstrates just how widely these things vary (though the story might also demonstrate that the officer that we spoke to was incompetent)
i was with my landlord and we were walking our dogs in NYC. we passed his old neighbor, with whom he'd had many past disputes. as we crossed paths, this old neighbor kicked my landlord's dog and punched my landlord in the face twice. this all occurred within a block of the police precinct. so after the incident, we went directly to the precinct to file a report. the officer told us she couldn't help us. not even with me as a witness. she asked my landlord if he had any broken bones or had gone to the hospital for stitches. when he answered no, she said again that she could do nothing for us.
so, either she is a moron and we should have pushed the matter, or i might have to conclude that we are talking about a huge variance in the law and it's applications. or possible even both. it seems to depend on some pretty big, varying factors.
this week i was reading online about a gentleman in CT who defended himself with pepper spray and got a year in prison. not sure how valid the story was, but it was on a freedom of speech site.
so what do you do?
for me, if i am attacked, i am not waiting around to see how serious it gets and take a chance. if i perceive a real threat, i am coming up on someone full force, as fast as i can, and doing enough damage to allow me time to get away.
i worry about females exploring, as they are more likely to be attacked in many settings. i think anyone who goes into potentially dangerous environments should know a few tricks. if you can take a quick self defense class, or even get a book, you can learn some really good ways to break holds.
there are some great manuevers out there. i suggest learning some ways to:
-get out of a stranglehold if someone comes at you facing you in the front, or from behind
-flip someone who comes up behind you and grabs you around your waist and arms, or how to pry their thumb away from their fingers so you can pry their hands off of you and create a gap to get out of the hold
-how to flip someone if they grab your bag, or pull your bag to drag them closer while you strike a vulnerable spot on their body
-how to turn someone's wrists or elbows or shoulders so that their joints are locked (known as joint locks or Quin Na locks) and you can create large amounts of pain, but once released their body is not damaged in a way that you would be held liable in court
-how to kick. i mean really kick.
i find i am often not as free in my arms to respond since i am weighed down by my pack. if i am holding my camera, this adds to the loss of full leverage and range of movement. so when it comes down to it, if someone comes at me, they better be wearing a serious cup. i kick HARD.
and i advise any females who explore alone, or at all for that matter, spend a moment to familiarize themselves with the finer points/weaknesses in the male anatomy. actually, you can hurt a female with the same movement. women can get the wind knocked out of them when kicked in the pubic bone.
so, though i love weapons, and sure wish i could have them all on me, all of the time, it does seem risky if you explore in a lot of different states, regions, or even countries. better to know some quick moves that are less likely to the type of damage that could land you in jail if you hurt them badly and are in one of those regions that has funny laws.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." ~Annie Dillard |
|
Explorer Zero
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 70 on 5/13/2006 2:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
Please, let's get some real explorers and people who stand up for themselves to reply.
|
OK
1. most homeless adult males of the less than 65yr old variety that make their living on the street day in and day out could kill the ever lovin shit out of most of you sidewalk sissy ninja suburban guerilla tough guy bad ass wannabes, IF they had a good reason
2. try not to give them a reason and you'll be just fine otherwise they could care less about you
3. dont carry your camera in a bag that advertises $$$ Canon or Nikon
4. this is among one of THE worst threads on UER to date
5.
[last edit 5/13/2006 3:12 AM by Explorer Zero - edited 1 times]
|
|
Fort Minor
location:
Vancouver
Gender: Male
Le Parkour + UE: A Winning Combination
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 71 on 5/13/2006 4:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by 2Xplorations
3. dont carry your camera in a bag that advertises $$$ Canon or Nikon
|
Yeah, I know, seriously, thats like telling them "Please, take my expensive stuff"
"I'm a pioneer f**kin up stereotypes,
I snatched chains as a kid, made you carry your bike."
-All Night; Fort Minor |
|
Cowboy Wayne
location:
Evansville, Indiana.
Gender: Male
I'm sorry; I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 72 on 5/16/2006 8:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by Fort Minor
Yeah, I know, seriously, thats like telling them "Please, take my expensive stuff"
|
I never thought of that. Not a bad idea. I keep my stuff in a $10 medic bag from the local army surplus store (love that place!)
No, the guy in my av isn't actually me. |
|
FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 73 on 5/17/2006 2:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by Cowboy Wayne
I never thought of that. Not a bad idea. I keep my stuff in a $10 medic bag from the local army surplus store (love that place!)
|
But then they'll think you have drugs and try to steal those anyways...
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
Journal: http://www.uer.ca/...id=4&catid=2000173 | RUAUER!?!?!?111ONE??QUESTIONMARK | FoxTwoFoxTwo - "I just ordered a large. I have a relatively huge head so yeah..." |
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 74 on 5/17/2006 2:16 AM >
| | | | The reason you have an expensive camera bag, backpack, or holster in to protect that expensive camera. Drops and dirt will more than likey be the camera's demise. Also to make it easy to carry, and accessible.
Giving out cigs, or money gives would be "sharks" an easy way to nudge you before the attack. It can indicate that your "easy", and makes you more easily accessible; remember kids, don't feed the wildlife! If I knew the people yes, otherwise no.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
Flagg
location:
Welland, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 75 on 5/21/2006 2:55 AM >
| | | | Man, am I ever glad to have had my army training.
Hope I don't have to use it.
"Go for the balls. F!&# pride, f@$* manliness. It's a weak spot, exploit it." So sayeth my section commander from basic military qualification.
|
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 76 on 5/21/2006 3:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by femaledragonx
it really is different in different states, and even in different areas within in each state. this question of weapons is a tough one. here is a story of something i experienced in NYC, where i live, that demonstrates just how widely these things vary (though the story might also demonstrate that the officer that we spoke to was incompetent)
i was with my landlord and we were walking our dogs in NYC. we passed his old neighbor, with whom he'd had many past disputes. as we crossed paths, this old neighbor kicked my landlord's dog and punched my landlord in the face twice. this all occurred within a block of the police precinct. so after the incident, we went directly to the precinct to file a report. the officer told us she couldn't help us. not even with me as a witness. she asked my landlord if he had any broken bones or had gone to the hospital for stitches. when he answered no, she said again that she could do nothing for us.
so, either she is a moron and we should have pushed the matter, or i might have to conclude that we are talking about a huge variance in the law and it's applications. or possible even both. it seems to depend on some pretty big, varying factors.
this week i was reading online about a gentleman in CT who defended himself with pepper spray and got a year in prison. not sure how valid the story was, but it was on a freedom of speech site.
so what do you do?
for me, if i am attacked, i am not waiting around to see how serious it gets and take a chance. if i perceive a real threat, i am coming up on someone full force, as fast as i can, and doing enough damage to allow me time to get away.
i worry about females exploring, as they are more likely to be attacked in many settings. i think anyone who goes into potentially dangerous environments should know a few tricks. if you can take a quick self defense class, or even get a book, you can learn some really good ways to break holds.
there are some great manuevers out there. i suggest learning some ways to:
-get out of a stranglehold if someone comes at you facing you in the front, or from behind
-flip someone who comes up behind you and grabs you around your waist and arms, or how to pry their thumb away from their fingers so you can pry their hands off of you and create a gap to get out of the hold
-how to flip someone if they grab your bag, or pull your bag to drag them closer while you strike a vulnerable spot on their body
-how to turn someone's wrists or elbows or shoulders so that their joints are locked (known as joint locks or Quin Na locks) and you can create large amounts of pain, but once released their body is not damaged in a way that you would be held liable in court
-how to kick. i mean really kick.
i find i am often not as free in my arms to respond since i am weighed down by my pack. if i am holding my camera, this adds to the loss of full leverage and range of movement. so when it comes down to it, if someone comes at me, they better be wearing a serious cup. i kick HARD.
and i advise any females who explore alone, or at all for that matter, spend a moment to familiarize themselves with the finer points/weaknesses in the male anatomy. actually, you can hurt a female with the same movement. women can get the wind knocked out of them when kicked in the pubic bone.
so, though i love weapons, and sure wish i could have them all on me, all of the time, it does seem risky if you explore in a lot of different states, regions, or even countries. better to know some quick moves that are less likely to the type of damage that could land you in jail if you hurt them badly and are in one of those regions that has funny laws.
|
You are quit right; one of a women's best defenses are her legs. Pound for pound almost as strong as a male's. If your on your back, or backed into a corner; kick!
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 77 on 5/21/2006 7:06 AM >
| | | | If you're looking for some practical self defense training, take some jujitsu. It is the way the Samurai trained for weaponless fighting. Thus, it is all about practicality and surviving. Judo is the sport form of this and doesn't allow punches/kicks.
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
Journal: http://www.uer.ca/...id=4&catid=2000173 | RUAUER!?!?!?111ONE??QUESTIONMARK | FoxTwoFoxTwo - "I just ordered a large. I have a relatively huge head so yeah..." |
|
good rib cage
location:
Chicago!
Gender: Male
Homeless people are cool
| | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 78 on 5/22/2006 12:11 AM >
| | | | ok. Someone please answer me
How come this entire 4 page thread does not mention a HAMMER?!  The greatest blunt-force-trauma weapon ever!
And when cops stop you, they can't arrest you because it's not a 'weapon!'
(I do find it funny how in college dorms, you're not allowed to have brass knuckles but a hammer is fine...brass knuckles got nothing compared to the might of a hammer. Damn politics...)
Back to UE, a hammer is great for breaking into places so carrying one around has many uses.
[last edit 5/22/2006 12:11 AM by good rib cage - edited 1 times]
|
|
blackhawk
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
location:
Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: Self Defense and Such
<Reply # 79 on 5/22/2006 12:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by good rib cage
ok. Someone please answer me
How come this entire 4 page thread does not mention a HAMMER?! The greatest blunt-force-trauma weapon ever!
And when cops stop you, they can't arrest you because it's not a 'weapon!'
(I do find it funny how in college dorms, you're not allowed to have brass knuckles but a hammer is fine...brass knuckles got nothing compared to the might of a hammer. Damn politics...)
Back to UE, a hammer is great for breaking into places so carrying one around has many uses.
|
Since this is your first post I will give you the benefit of doubt. B&E is a felony crime, and the hammer as such is an instrument of crime. You can be arrested for carrying a hammer the same as if your carrying a brick. It's all about intent.
[last edit 5/22/2006 12:56 AM by blackhawk - edited 1 times]
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
|
|
Powered by AvBoard AvBoard version 1.5 alpha
Page Generated In: 78 ms
|
|
Ethics