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DevilC
   
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<Reply # 100 on 7/5/2006 5:35 PM >
|  | | | You should always avoid a fight if you can - and you usually can.
Violent crime is in decline in MOST parts of the US.
Run from trouble or anticipate it and walk away before it gets to that point.
I think we were exploring the 'what-if' scenarios.
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Devil_Ball
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<Reply # 101 on 7/5/2006 6:51 PM >
| | | | In the past month I've come across homeless , vandals, scrappers and plenty of untoward individuals. Nothing bad happened. But if something did, I would have been ready. I'll make the decisions about whether me or my companions walk out of a place alive. I'd prefer not to leave that decisions to a criminal who is assaulting me.
This photo was taken in a half collapsed Shoe Factory that I was exploring alone. Fifteen minutes earlier I encountered two scrapper carrying pipes and plumbing wrenches. I felt a hell of a lot better knowing I still had options.
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Captain Obvious
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in ur xbox...there are midgets
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<Reply # 102 on 7/6/2006 11:00 PM >
| | | | A pistol is too hard to explain away if you get caught. Preferably, I would take a medium hunting knife where I can easily get at it. If confronted, it's flight first and then fight. 'Tis better to be alive with hurt pride than to fight heroically and be .
Nov. 24, 2007--The city of Cleveland, Ohio, announces that it has developed tactical nuclear weapons, and does not wish to hear any more jokes.
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The singularity is near
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<Reply # 103 on 7/6/2006 11:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by FoxTwoFoxTwo
If you're looking for some practical self defense training, take some jujitsu. It is the way the Samurai trained for weaponless fighting. Thus, it is all about practicality and surviving. Judo is the sport form of this and doesn't allow punches/kicks.
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i took some classes on krav maga that impressed me. i have studied some japanese styles, but mostly chinese boxing styles. and even after years of those, i was still impressed by krav maga. it's pretty hardcore. they teach you a situation you could find yourself in, and then they teach you how to get out of it. no open hand forms to practice, no kata, nothing but straight sparring and demonstrations.
beyond that, i'd recommend wing chun. or JKD if and only if you live near inosanto's school and can learn from him.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
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Pravus
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Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 104 on 7/6/2006 11:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by femaledragonx
i took some classes on krav maga that impressed me.
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Krav Maga is suppose to be a VERY effective modernized martial arts, but I think its a pain to find people that teach it.. I got a buddy that trains alot and I think he was looking to find someone..
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femaledragonx
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The singularity is near
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<Reply # 105 on 7/6/2006 11:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by Pravus
Krav Maga is suppose to be a VERY effective modernized martial arts, but I think its a pain to find people that teach it.. I got a buddy that trains alot and I think he was looking to find someone..
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i took it in nyc. but there is a network of those people. i think their sites are under kravmagainc.com
to give you a teaser, the very first day of class they taught how to get out of a neck hold and elbow someone in the face. you don't get to do that your first day of traditional martial arts, actually, some you don't even get to spar!
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
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Mark
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 106 on 7/7/2006 9:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by Devil_Ball
This photo was taken in a half collapsed Shoe Factory that I was exploring alone. Fifteen minutes earlier I encountered two scrapper carrying pipes and plumbing wrenches. I felt a hell of a lot better knowing I still had options.
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Take some magazine shots
Krav is very good.... depending on instructors. However everyone I have talked to in the MA circle says its pretty rough on the joints with years of practice.
femaledragonx - If you get a chance take a few classes with the systema guys. That particular martial art will help with just about every other, and probably expand your abilities quite a bit. We get alot of cross pollination and everyone learns alot even if they stick with there martial art. www.russianmartialart.com
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 107 on 7/7/2006 9:33 AM >
| | | | I highly recommend Wang Chung.
Very effective.
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Urbandruid
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<Reply # 108 on 7/7/2006 9:44 AM >
| | | | Krav Maga is a highly effective modern martial art. It was developed in Israel. Who better to develope a high damage, fast disable martial art than a tiny little nation of Jews who is surrounding by, in essence, two continents that hate them and want to wipe them from the face of the earth? I do wish there were more instructors though... I'd have to travel to DC to study.
Obviously, the best thing to do when you think you might be in trouble, is run. But if you are in a last ditch situation, do the nastiest, most evil violent thing that you can think of. Who cares that you might have to explain yourself to the law if you might be dead if you don't. Bite, kick, bend fingers backwards, whatever it takes. And then, as soon as you can, run. And girls, please don't UE alone. I am sure that some of you can take care of yourself just fine, but you are less of a tempting target in numbers.
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DevilC
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<Reply # 109 on 7/7/2006 10:56 AM >
| | | | Dukes is dead on the money - Wang Chung is amazingly effective and your enemies will never see it coming.
Krev Maga is Tae Kwan Do that sounds cool and is marketed by clever ex-Israeli guys as "THE martial art of the IDF." Jennifer Lopez did great things for Krev Maga by showcasing it in "Enough." It is a very static and kata based form that will get you mauled in a bar fight. It seems that you bought into their marketing strategy though.
As for Systema, well, the most successful martial artist to ever come out of the former USSR - Fedor - called it a "fraud and a joke." Systema puts so much emphasis on "dirty tricks" and some very hard to practice ideas. Has anyone here ever sat through a Systema seminar? My sympathies if you have.
As mixed martial arts have gained more and more attention and participation, the dominance and superiority of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu has become apparent. The Army and USMC as well as a growing tide of police departments have overhauled their combatives curriculum to be based upon BJJ.
Training Krev Maga or TKD is much cleaner and easier than training Jiu Jitsu. Greco Roman Wrestling seems easier than BJJ. BJJ is hard, dirty, sweaty, and extremely tiring - for those reasons it turns a lot of people off, understandable so!! Learning how to fight is like. . . . losing weight. There are 1000 gimmicky methods and programs but in the end you have to put in the work and focus on the basics.
It is, I guess, better to be doing SOMETHING, rather than nothing. Whatever is best for the student, right? Just know that Tae Bo is not going to help you when things turn for the worse.
More Wang Chung. . . . .
 
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Urbandruid
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<Reply # 110 on 7/7/2006 11:08 AM >
| | | | Ok, I'll admit, I am down with the Wang Chung...
But seriously, the only way to "really" learn to fight, and be good at it, is to fight, a lot. There are very few martial arts that are very useful in most real life fights. I'd rather take an effective martial art, Such As Krev Maga, or even BJJ, than learn the hard way. My only martial arts training has been karate. The best things I learned from that was not to get into a fight unless you absolutely had to. Seriously.
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MindHacker
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If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
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<Reply # 111 on 7/7/2006 4:17 PM >
| | | | As for jiu jitsu being dirty, tiring, and exhausting: yes. At the end of a match you just want to lay there, it's the only thing I've found that can tire me out that fast, close to sprinting up 10flights of stairs, only your limbs feel heavy/clumsy at the end.
At my tang soo do classes (modified tae kwon do) we always set aside time to just screw around, show each other things, spar, and grappel. I reccomend it, you learn more by discussing (and by discussing I mean trying to discuss before giving up and grabbing someone to demonstrate) techniques/situations. Proper kata have thier place, in showing how to get power into moves and training the mind/muscles, but they need application, so spar too. Even go light-contact if you can't find any pads.
I took a self-defense class (pe credits), and they emphasized always doing just enough to get away. This is in contrast to "the most evil, violent thing you can think of", so sure, wishbone thier fingers or pop thier eardrum, but don't do more than you have to. Don't stomp on them once thier unconsious, or knock them off a building (less thats the only thing that could possibly work). Typically just kicking them in the balls and running is all you need.
just my $.02, or 4 or howevermanysworth that was.
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femaledragonx
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<Reply # 112 on 7/10/2006 11:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
femaledragonx - If you get a chance take a few classes with the systema guys. That particular martial art will help with just about every other, and probably expand your abilities quite a bit. We get alot of cross pollination and everyone learns alot even if they stick with there martial art. www.russianmartialart.com
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hey mark, is systema the style with a lot of knife fighting techniques, or is the one that uses a lot of ground fighting and wrestling style moves? i've been exploring so much, and traveling a ton to do so, that i haven't had ample time to take classes lately. been practicing on my wooden dummy, my boxing heavybag and makuwara boards in the meantime.
thanks for the suggestion, i will look into that style when i get a free moment. cheers.
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femaledragonx
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<Reply # 113 on 7/10/2006 11:38 AM >
| | | | Posted by 'Dukes
I highly recommend Wang Chung.
Very effective.
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hey dukes, it's WING CHUN. unless you were being funny.....?
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
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Clever Girl
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<Reply # 114 on 7/10/2006 3:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
As for jiu jitsu being dirty, tiring, and exhausting: yes. At the end of a match you just want to lay there, it's the only thing I've found that can tire me out that fast, close to sprinting up 10flights of stairs, only your limbs feel heavy/clumsy at the end.....
At my tang soo do classes (modified tae kwon do) we always set aside time to just screw around, show each other things, spar, and grappel.....
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Someone... else did jujitsu... and tang soo do? Can we be friends? Jujistu (or jiu jitsu as some know it) put my martial arts career on hiatus, when someone managed to fracture my left arm (double-jointed) in proving to me they so COULD get me into that hold! Snap. Whoops. Two months later, I was back at it in Kung fu. No other style was ever so violent or so physically wearing on me as jujitsu. Straight up fighting style, that is.
Despite having over 5 years of martial arts experience and being a tournament MASTA' (I exaggerate, a little) with a bo staff, I'd opt for running any day. I don't care how capable you are, if the other person is a substance abuser or a nutjob (just among the range of classy folks you're apt to encounter during UE) you can't predict these people. Some totally hardc0rz drugs prevent the user from feeling pain. My option, unless cornered, remains flee. I'm prepared, I can take care of myself, I just don't want to have to.
One day, femaledragon and I will hold our own martial arts tournament in an old hospital basement. And charge for admission. We'll make UE history.
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Pravus
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Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 115 on 7/10/2006 6:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by femaledragonx
is systema the style with a lot of knife fighting techniques
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If you wanted knife fighting I know that Eskrima/Kali/Arnis does alot of knife tapping.. I took a lil bit of that back in the day, I rather enjoyed the classes and kinda want to get back into it someday.. It's suppose to be one of the better systems for defending from knives and knife tapping in general..
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 116 on 7/10/2006 7:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by femaledragonx
hey dukes, it's WING CHUN. unless you were being funny.....?
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Sorry ; Typo.
I should have said "Everybody Wing Chung tonight!"
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MindHacker
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If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
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<Reply # 117 on 7/11/2006 12:24 AM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy...Can we be friends? Jujistu (or jiu jitsu as some know it) put my martial arts career on hiatus, when someone managed to fracture my left arm (double-jointed) in proving to me they so COULD get me into that hold! Snap.
.... Some totally hardc0rz drugs prevent the user from feeling pain.
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Yes, I like friends... But I never actually officially trained in jiujitsu - just random stuff w/ friends, If you ever feel like driving over to Montgomery county, and want to spar/fool around (w/ fighting, not... other things.) just say something.
Back on track: PCP - The drug that needs multiple cops (4-7) to hold down someone. Reports from the medieval period have soldiers on an analogous drug ripping spears out of their bodies and throwing back. They were almost impossible to kill, but the wounds caught up with them after the drug wore off, and the brain once again required normal amounts of oxygen and stuff.
So run like that squirrel you are. Hopeful if you can't outrun them you can outmaneuver/dodge/hide. Still, you can't always, and training can be useful.
"That's just my opinion. I would, however, advocate for explosive breaching, since speed and looking cool are both concerns in my job."-Wilkinshire |
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DevilC
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<Reply # 118 on 7/11/2006 11:08 AM >
| | | | *Consensus has it, RUN LIKE HELL.
*PCP does not give you super-human strength (sorry Charles Bronson!) it makes you numb and dissociated from reality. It was originally used as a human surgial anesthetic during WW1 and was widely used in animals.
*There are a few naturally occuring plants with dissociative and/or deliriant properties. If we you're talking medieval times, you're probably thinking of Mandrake. Mandrake is widely referred to in classical literature as having such anesthetic properties (among others)
*And since someone asked, I will ask again. . . . .Was it:
--Wing Chung? The Shaolin discipline that ultimately brought us Bruce Lee?
--Wang Chung? The trio consisting of Jack Hues, Nick Feldman, Darren Costin who brought us the 1986 hits "Everybody Have Fun Tonight" and "Let's Go??"
*Hydrotherapy, I always train JiuJitsu (no tang soo do, just MMA) and yes we can be friends. . . but only if I can participate in this hospital basement tournamant.
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femaledragonx
location:
Detroit & Everywhere Else I can dream up to go to
The singularity is near
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<Reply # 119 on 7/11/2006 12:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by Pravus
If you wanted knife fighting I know that Eskrima/Kali/Arnis does alot of knife tapping.. I took a lil bit of that back in the day, I rather enjoyed the classes and kinda want to get back into it someday.. It's suppose to be one of the better systems for defending from knives and knife tapping in general..
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i looked into kali a little this year, because it seemed to me that i could find some form of sticks i could carry that i wouldn't get arrested for. but i guess if i used them, even if they did not LOOK like weapons, i could still get into some serious trouble.
in the end, i think we all agree on running if possible. that's part of what they teach in wing chun: you avoid a fight, but if you are attacked you whammo them as fast and as hard as you an, doing a quick amount of damage which will then give you time to get away.
well, that's what the original style taught, not bruce lee.
for me using my elbows and my legs makes the most sense. however, the style si have taken focus on boxing and upper body attacks and blocks. i've taken aikido, two kinds of shaolin, krav maga and wing chun. i would love to find a style that focuses on leg work/kicks that would compliment my wing chun style, but they may not work together because of the wing chun stance.
additionally, i am always interested in styles like krav maga that go right for it. i liked being shown hardcore moves the very first day of class. the class was mixed: some people had taken martial arts for years, some were brand new. maybe those techniques were wasted oon the newbies though, but it impressed me to learn choke hold manuevers, groin kicks, elbows, etc. in the first hour of class.
also, love sparring classes. gotta learn to apply the skills and get muscle memory. when you find yourself in a real situation, you don't have the time reflect on what you learned in school. you need to administer it immediately.
you guys have me curious about jujitsu now...so i'm off to go google some.
oh yeah, hydro, if we can get one more battle friend, we could do a tag team asylum rumble. w00t!
cheers.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
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