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<Reply # 120 on 5/11/2004 9:44 PM >
|  | | | BPM hasn't broken the rules to the forum there's no reason for him to be banned. I don't agree with the fact that he contacted the authorities so quickly but I'll stand by him on this one. We all make mistakes. Shit happens let's get over it.
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| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 121 on 5/11/2004 9:51 PM >
| | | | This is fucking insane. I can't believe some of you people. I may not agree with selling stolen shit - but we are all law breakers here. Every last one of us. Nobody is better than anyone else. We are all trespassers. Some of you feel so high and fucking mighty, riding along above everybody else on a fluffly little cloud of your own self-proclaimed good morals. Holy fucking pot calling the kettle black, batman. Jesus H Christ.
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<Reply # 122 on 5/11/2004 9:57 PM >
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So when can we expect BPM to be banned?
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He never posted that info here, so he did not break any rules.
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<Reply # 123 on 5/11/2004 9:57 PM >
| | | | Thanks for making a trip to DSH that much harder BPM - from all the new england ue groups.
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<Reply # 124 on 5/11/2004 10:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by Burzum
Wow... what a mess.
This is the second ethics-related issue i have seen BPM weigh in on in as many weeks - in the first, he made a strongly worded warning to that moron NVKaos, and to anyone else who didn't fit his ethics - involving his past as a police officer, his friends on the force, and his license to carry arms (http://www.uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp?fid=1&threadid=9083&currpage=5). In the second (today's mess) he seems to have contacted the police on the basis of forum information - possibly leading to serious consequences for MD. especially odd, considering BPM is one of the many of the people on this board willing to take stuff from sites about to be demolished.
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I have stated my ethics and the fact that I am an ex-officer. If you don't like them, tough. As for taking stuff from sites, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE OWNER'S PERMISSION AND THE SITE IS BEING DEMOLISHED.
I never posted Mike D's personal info here, so why even fathom a ban?
To Mike D:
I have already have had 2 calls returned to me that the Essex County DA's office is investigating this and that E-Bay is also involved. If an officer comes to your door, IT IS BECAUSE YOU HAVE DONE SOMETHING ILLEGAL!
As to suing me, you can't. I informed the Essex County's DA's office of my suspision's based on a reasonable amount of information. They will decide if you need to be prosecuted. Basically, all I did was inform them that there was a possible theft and said materials are being illegally sold.
And as for DASM or whatever the hell you were talking about, they don't have jurisdiction, Essex County and State Police do. So your buddy's okay to keep/sell items does not wash, he has no legal standing.
So, steal and you get caught.
Sorry to those that have a harder time getting in there now. I am truly sorry for that because I believe all sites should be open. The only time they should be closed is if you are breaking the law (other than trespassing)...
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| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 125 on 5/11/2004 10:33 PM >
| | | | Well mike like I said. we'll see what happens.
Just remember this, Everyone out here now knows your a snitch. and that is well worth whatever harassment I get.
Ive talked to a lawyer, and he says IF they even feel the case ( full of holes he stated ) even makes it to the point where they would actually question me about it, it will fail, I have VERY legit answers where everything I sold came from.
Im really not worried. But you mr mikey have shown all of UER that once a cop always a cop, and you can't be trusted.
Have a nice day
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| | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 126 on 5/11/2004 10:33 PM >
| | | | I'm reluctant to post anything at all in this thread, I can hardly see the point, but I feel the need to express my opinion.
Mike, I can fully understand why you might be upset. However you knew full well what sort of morals most of the users of this forum hold, is it really that hard to belive that eventually people would find out and get pissed off about your auctions. I don't think it matters how you got the items, it would still be recived badly.
I don't care for you much Mike, but I chose to ignore you most of the time, as I do with most people on this forum who I find annoying. But if you did one thing, my respect for you would be unbeliveable.
Take the high road.
Too much grief has been caused becaucse people reacted quickly and harshly. Threatening lawsuits on Av and others isn't the way to deal with this issue, it's just as much a knee-jerk reaction as calling the police was. I'm impressed and happy to see that Av has apologized for the ban. I would urge BPM to say something, preferably in a private message.
My advice is: Let the issue drop, be thankful that nothing serious has come from this, and learn a lesson.
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| | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 127 on 5/11/2004 10:34 PM >
| | | | You know what's really sad? That this will definitely affect the camraderie around here. Its like- love me or hate me, but dont drop the dime on me. Bpm is an ex-pig. He took some stupid oath and apparantly still feels the need to exert authority. Now everyone will feel a little diferent about posting things because their post could ignite a witch hunt, then have the authorities tipped off. BPM you're nothing but a traitorous pig, just looking to feel good about yourself. You rat bastard. I hope people on this board unite agaisnt squealers, and realize that your next post or something you did in a location once could get a felony slapped on your record. What next bpm? Calling the cops for basic trespassing which we all do, except you and your permission to be there?
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<Reply # 128 on 5/11/2004 10:37 PM >
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You no whats really sad, this will definatly affect the commroderie around here. Its like- love me or hate me, but dont drop the dime on me. Bpm is an ex-pig. He took some stupid oath and apperantly still feels the need to exert authority. Now everyone will feel a little diferent about posting things because there post could ignite a witch hunt, then have the authorities tiped off. BPM your nothing but a loyaless pig, just lookin to feel good about yourself. you rat bastard. I hope people on this board unite agaisnt squealers, and realize that your next post or somthing you did in a location once could get a felony slapped on your record. What next bpm callin the cops for basic trespassing wich we all do, except you and your permission to be there?
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In a thread that was finally getting back to a half-decent level of maturity, this was unecessary. But, you're essentially right. I think, after this, all of us will be more careful with what we say.
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| | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 129 on 5/11/2004 10:38 PM >
| | | | This is so sad. Some of you are as bad as the people that try to keep us out of these places.
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BigPoppaMikey
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| | | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 130 on 5/11/2004 10:41 PM >
| | | | I NEVER stated I had a problem with trespassing, just with theft and vandalism. I would expect other people out there to stand up for what is right and report others who commit crimes other than trespassing.
As for me posting, I will continue to add locations to the database when I can. Why, because I have always believed information should be shared, not hoarded and sold for profit...
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| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 131 on 5/11/2004 10:47 PM >
| | | | What a freakin joke - let me put a few points out in plain view for everyone to see.
Even with all the excuses he comes up with MD can't convince me he didn't steal those items from the Danvers site. That's my opinion - I'm allowed to have it and express it - if your lawyer tells you that you can sue me for that - he's probably right - but you won't win - but you'll still have to pay him. Being able to sue and actually being able to win a case is a compeltely different thing. So, the only person that wins that fight is your lawyer.
Mike - you know you stole - deep down you know - so quit redirecting your guilt at us as anger - m'kay? I know, it hurts your pride to admit it- and doing so will only get you in more hot water. We aren't making your life hard - we're just trying to hold you accountable for your actions - if that's hard perhaps its your actions that you need to look at - not mine.
As far as me and BPM being "bad" members of the community - if you all feel that way then perhaps I should just walk away. I don't want to live in a community that doesn't hold its members accountable for their actions - in this case - Mike D's actions. If you want to turn around and hold me accountable for mine - then I don't belong here - there is obviously too large a discrepency between my morals and the majorities here - and I would rather no longer be associated with you.
Now the really interesting bit - I hope your still reading - is the information about what I really DID this morning. I didn't do a fucking thing - My cousin Bill is a meter reader for the power company, not a cop - but he does live in Danvers. I was full of shit - I said what I said for one reason - and one reason only - to scare the living shit out anyone who would consider stealing from a site. I have no idea what BPM did - actually. Haven't talked to him.
So, I hope you wet your pants - just a little bit - this morning Mike D - because you know your guilty - I know your guilty - Again, that's just my opinion - but if it smells like shit and looks like shit you're an idiot for tasting it. If you weren't guilty why were you so scared?
I wouldn't call the cops on another UE'er - unless I had the evidence to stand up in court and testify that I saw them do something illegal. It would have to be something pretty damn serious to boot - I would scare the living piss out of them - but I wouldn't drop the dime.
Your actions in response to our "actions" and your banning this morning were deplorable - If I see one more person stand up and pats MikeD on the back and say they are sorry I'll puke. Let's face facts - if he had permission to take those items he would have no problem explaining himself to the police. Sure, it's inconvenient and defacing - but really - no harm no foul. I'm a member of this community and a member of the ebay community as well - I did what I did this morning (remember - I actually did nothing) to protect the reputation and security of the communities of which I am a member.
However, to come back on this board and threaten every other member of this board because you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar is - again my opinion - an immature - irrational act. Especially if we were completely wrong mike - if we were wrong about you stealing why the anger? Why the hostility why the "Takin you down with me" mentality? You lack honor Mike D- all the lawyers and money in the world won't get it for you.
I have a tremendous respect for BPM - yes - I think he jumped the gun a little bit if he actually DID call the essex DA and report MikeD. However, his error in judgement, his dis-reputible action in my eyes pales in comparison to the theft that I believe MikeD participated and profited from. BPM's actions might reflect poorly on BPM's judgement - but MikeD's actions reflects poorly on the whole community and plays right into the hands of those who think UE is "wrong" or unacceptable.
For you new england explorers that are worried about any kind of crack-down I have this to say. If this instance really causes any kind of problem for any of you beyond the problems you might already have then rest assured that the members of this community will stand behind you and your decision to be an urban explorer - unless you steal shit - then get the fuck out.
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| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 132 on 5/11/2004 10:54 PM >
| | | | Jesus Christ.
First off, thank you Big Mikey for making my home asylum that much harder to get into. As if the most popular UE landmark in New England dosen't have enough police intervention. Thank god Ninj has some common sense. Some people just believe whatever you're told, Av tells you to hate Mike, and you hate him, Ninj tells you to listen to him, you listen.
I don't get it.
I personally know Mike, and can say that he legally obtained everything he's been selling.
Not to mention, wouldn't it be better for these artifacts to be sent to places where they will be appreciated and preserved as aposed to a dumpster?
I'm just glad that everyone's calmed down, but I swear if the police knock on my door tonight I will personally rip whoever called them a new asshole for disturbing my Tuesday night. =)
-erin
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<Reply # 133 on 5/11/2004 10:55 PM >
| | | | Pull together people; this is starting to look really bad on all of us.
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The Hitman's Daughter
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Location: ottawa, canada
Gender: Female
hot pavement.
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 134 on 5/11/2004 10:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Kommandant Chainsaw
What a freakin joke - let me put a few points out in plain view for everyone to see.
Even with all the excuses he comes up with MD can't convince me he didn't steal those items from the Danvers site. That's my opinion - I'm allowed to have it and express it - if your lawyer tells you that you can sue me for that - he's probably right - but you won't win - but you'll still have to pay him. Being able to sue and actually being able to win a case is a compeltely different thing. So, the only person that wins that fight is your lawyer.
Mike - you know you stole - deep down you know - so quit redirecting your guilt at us as anger - m'kay? I know, it hurts your pride to admit it- and doing so will only get you in more hot water. We aren't making your life hard - we're just trying to hold you accountable for your actions - if that's hard perhaps its your actions that you need to look at - not mine.
As far as me and BPM being "bad" members of the community - if you all feel that way then perhaps I should just walk away. I don't want to live in a community that doesn't hold its members accountable for their actions - in this case - Mike D's actions. If you want to turn around and hold me accountable for mine - then I don't belong here - there is obviously too large a discrepency between my morals and the majorities here - and I would rather no longer be associated with you.
Now the really interesting bit - I hope your still reading - is the information about what I really DID this morning. I didn't do a fucking thing - My cousin Bill is a meter reader for the power company, not a cop - but he does live in Danvers. I was full of shit - I said what I said for one reason - and one reason only - to scare the living shit out anyone who would consider stealing from a site. I have no idea what BPM did - actually. Haven't talked to him.
So, I hope you wet your pants - just a little bit - this morning Mike D - because you know your guilty - I know your guilty - Again, that's just my opinion - but if it smells like shit and looks like shit you're an idiot for tasting it. If you weren't guilty why were you so scared?
I wouldn't call the cops on another UE'er - unless I had the evidence to stand up in court and testify that I saw them do something illegal. It would have to be something pretty damn serious to boot - I would scare the living piss out of them - but I wouldn't drop the dime.
Your actions in response to our "actions" and your banning this morning were deplorable - If I see one more person stand up and pats MikeD on the back and say they are sorry I'll puke. Let's face facts - if he had permission to take those items he would have no problem explaining himself to the police. Sure, it's inconvenient and defacing - but really - no harm no foul. I'm a member of this community and a member of the ebay community as well - I did what I did this morning (remember - I actually did nothing) to protect the reputation and security of the communities of which I am a member.
However, to come back on this board and threaten every other member of this board because you got caught with your hands in the cookie jar is - again my opinion - an immature - irrational act. Especially if we were completely wrong mike - if we were wrong about you stealing why the anger? Why the hostility why the "Takin you down with me" mentality? You lack honor Mike D- all the lawyers and money in the world won't get it for you.
I have a tremendous respect for BPM - yes - I think he jumped the gun a little bit if he actually DID call the essex DA and report MikeD. However, his error in judgement, his dis-reputible action in my eyes pales in comparison to the theft that I believe MikeD participated and profited from. BPM's actions might reflect poorly on BPM's judgement - but MikeD's actions reflects poorly on the whole community and plays right into the hands of those who think UE is "wrong" or unacceptable.
For you new england explorers that are worried about any kind of crack-down I have this to say. If this instance really causes any kind of problem for any of you beyond the problems you might already have then rest assured that the members of this community will stand behind you and your decision to be an urban explorer - unless you steal shit - then get the fuck out.
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there - are - too - many - dashes - in - your - paragraphs - lol...
i think this is out of hand. and lame. morals are very subjective things. we all break the law by trespassing, but for some reason that's okay.
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<Reply # 135 on 5/11/2004 10:59 PM >
| | | | I personally think an Admin/Mod should just lock this thread. Most of this can/should be dealt with in private. All this is doing is making things worse. The only way this situation will get better is by everyone walking away.
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<Reply # 136 on 5/11/2004 11:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by SleepySmile
First off, thank you Big Mikey for making my home asylum that much harder to get into.
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It's not Big Mikey you should be 'thanking'. It's your own Mike Dijital for deciding to become a common thief instead of an urban explorer. But I digress.
But MisfitStyle is right - this thread is only going to continue along in the same vein. However, I will not lock it. I think I'll leave that to someone else to do.
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Mike Dijital
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Location: Boston MA.
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| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 137 on 5/11/2004 11:06 PM >
| | | | Chainsaw, With all I got inside,
I'm sorry. I recant everything I said about you.
You know what , some of that stuff, I did grab a long time ago, if you notice my Ebay feedback list, Ive been selling junk in my house to clear clutter. Some of that papperwork was giving to me by ex employees and people who had the pamphlettes in there house, A few letter heads and the raffle ticket, I scoped years ago and while cleaning out old stuff figured id make a buck , the keys dont even go to Danvers I bought them from a guy who does cleanouts and sells the junk, when I saw how fast my other DSH junk was selling for , i figured I could sell anything rusty and people would buy it.
As for my ethics, there mine, this what I do, im not asking you over for dinner, Av got a tip about me and exploited it.
As for BPM, mikey sent me a private message a few weeks ago, telling me he could get all this info on Nazi Rob, and showed me he could get info on me, he sent me a PM with all my info to show how cool he was, keep in mind I had no idea who he even was, I was so creeped out I was gonna tell Av, like that would have done any good, I could have gone to the police and said I was freaked by this creep and done it that way ,
but you know what Mike, I stay out of where I don't belong. Your a creep trying to look cool , and all you have done is lose trust in peoples Eyes.
I did what I did and it was wrong and percived for more than what it was.
When DCAM called me I told them exactily what I just wrote here and they agreed it was stupid and to knock it off, and im sure after the DA's investigation, which I hope is short ( cause there is REAL crime to worry about in mass ) this will all be thrown out, I did exactily as I was asked to do by the State office of DCAM.
You are a month late.
PS is it against the rules to PM someones private info < i still have poppa mikeys PM to me with all robs info , Im sure thats against the rules, and I have his creepy PM still with all my personal info ,
Im making a Public report to Av right here and now so it can't be swept under the rug,
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Down State
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<Reply # 138 on 5/11/2004 11:15 PM >
| | | | Mike D is an urban explorer, just cuz he does match up with your "ethics" doesn't mean anything Xfire, who are you to declare who is and who is not an "urban explorer"?
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Crossfire
Location: Kay-Dub
Gender: Male
Don't call it a comeback, I've been here for years.
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<Reply # 139 on 5/11/2004 11:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by 'Snows
Mike D is an urban explorer, just cuz he does match up with your "ethics" doesn't mean anything Xfire, who are you to declare who is and who is not an "urban explorer"?
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Uhhhm... okay.
This has nothing to do with my "ethics", actually. It has to do with... well... theft. Theft is not part of urban exploration (by any definition I've read - if I'm incorrect, please point me to the source that says it is and I will happily and respectfully apologise).
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