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 |  |  | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 100 on 5/11/2004 8:57 PM >
|  | | | I wouldn;t lock this thread at all. If it gets deleted though, I doubt I'm the only one with it saved to my hard drive.
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| | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 101 on 5/11/2004 8:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by salt
Even though olny 1 person contacted the authorities, most took place in the slanderous comments. Even if people recanted or took back what they said, or even changed opinions due to one members credability, the comments were still posted. Whos to say how many people might have read it in the time the first comments were made to the time they were recanted. Also, if this thread shuld mysteriously vanish, there would be a whole new set of lawsuits that could potentially be initiated. If i were you av i would lock this thread promplty.
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Here's a thought. Can you really slander someone's online alias? Unless, of course, Dijital is your real last name?
EDIT: Spelling.
[last edit 5/11/2004 8:59 PM by -MisfitStyle- - edited 1 times]
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 102 on 5/11/2004 9:01 PM >
|  | | | You can't sue someone for reporting what info he has to the authorities. The onus is upon the authorities to determine if in fact the information is substantiated and valid to base a case upon. If they look at it and find there is no basis, that's the end of it.
But, as I said, this is just a big mess.
I suppose it's too much for anyone to be the bigger person and bury the hatchet, that would be expecting too much maturity.
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Frost
Location: K.Dot
Gender: Male
No beer makes Frosty go..something something..(Taz: Crrazzy?)..Dont mind if I doo!
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 103 on 5/11/2004 9:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
I suppose it's too much for anyone to be the bigger person and bury the hatchet, that would be expecting too much maturity.
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Yea, I think you're request may be falling on deaf ears (or should it be blind eyes in this case)
Would be nice though...
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Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal? Its a natural plant that grows in the dirt. You know what's not natural, 80 year old dudes with hardons. Thats not natural, but we got pills for that. We're dedicating all our resources to keeping the old guys erect but we're puttin people in jail for smoking something that grows in the dirt. |
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salt
Location: winta hill, in sommaville
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 104 on 5/11/2004 9:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
Here's a thought. Can you really slander someone's online alias? Unless, of course, Dijital is your real last name?
EDIT: Spelling.
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That is very true. However if one person knows mike dijitals real name, there could be a case. also the authorities already know his real name and that alone could be a case. and any lawyer worth two-cents would argue that any half way suffiecent computer user could potentially find out his real name using his alias, that could be a case. Its not always what happens, but what could happen.
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Mike Dijital
  
UEDB Moderator
Location: Boston MA.
Gender: Male
UE ver. 1.0
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 105 on 5/11/2004 9:03 PM >
| | | | My lawyer has informed me that if the police show up at my door because of this I have a suit against whoever called them
like I said in an earlier post, and other have said it too, trespassing is illegal. Should I start pointing out websites to there respective police departments?? Should I blow UE online wide open to the authorities. ???
Well should I , cause I got alll night to do so. and plenty of anger to drive me.
[last edit 5/11/2004 9:04 PM by Mike Dijital - edited 1 times]
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Frost
Location: K.Dot
Gender: Male
No beer makes Frosty go..something something..(Taz: Crrazzy?)..Dont mind if I doo!
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 106 on 5/11/2004 9:04 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
My lawyer has informed me that if the police show up at my door because of this I have a suit against whoever called them
like I said in an earlier post, and other have said it too, trespassing is illegal. Should I start pointing out websites to there respective police departments?? Should I blow UE onlie wide open to the authorities. ???
Well should I , cause I got alll night to do so. and plenty of anger to drive me.
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Y'know, if they haven't shown up yet, I think you're pretty safe.
Oh and I'll take beer 
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Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal? Its a natural plant that grows in the dirt. You know what's not natural, 80 year old dudes with hardons. Thats not natural, but we got pills for that. We're dedicating all our resources to keeping the old guys erect but we're puttin people in jail for smoking something that grows in the dirt. |
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Mike Dijital
UEDB Moderator
Location: Boston MA.
Gender: Male
UE ver. 1.0
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 107 on 5/11/2004 9:07 PM >
| | | | Well if they do , I know where alot of the people who started this are going to be in the early week of june, Im sure toronto police would love to know about a GIANT trespassing convention
www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com |
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salt
Location: winta hill, in sommaville
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 108 on 5/11/2004 9:08 PM >
| | | | Mike, coming from someone who knows you personally and rather well i might add. I know you dont wanna do that. Itll jus make everyones life harder in this already taboo hobby. Can we all just agree to disagree. We all know what was wrong what is right and who went overboard. Lets try to leave it at that unless something extreme happens(like the 5-0 rolling at your door)
Then im all for grabn the xtenda batons and crakin faces....lol
[last edit 5/11/2004 9:09 PM by salt - edited 1 times]
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| |  | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 109 on 5/11/2004 9:08 PM >
| | | | Why am I not surprised BPM was the first one screaming 'police!' and volunteering to play detective. Seems someones a bit eager to please.
Goodluck with life Mike.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
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What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 110 on 5/11/2004 9:12 PM >
| | | | Ya know I saw this thread and went what the fuck. I know ethics are going to come into play as at topic. However even if Mike did steal it YOU PEOPLE ARENT THE GASTOPO. However this doesn’t surprise me. I just dropped the topic this morning and was like holly crap. Here is a community that may possibly get used and destroyed because of ethics. So what’s more important to you ethics or the community. Because AV is about the only person I know who would ever put this much effort into something I enjoy so much! Now because of a freaking ethical dispute we could possibly loose this whole place not to mention several of my friends on here. Mainly because of loosing contact. Is mike digital right for suing and hurting the community? Probably. The place he loved stabbed him in the back. Would I condone it? FUCK NO. I love this place a lot and the people on here. Even if I disagree with UE ethics. I have never sold anything on ebay because there is nothing I have found of value that I could sell on the net. Now that I am in the community I wouldn’t sell because I don’t want to hurt it.
Mike I understand why you would be mad! I would be to. I would have thought the same thing as you. However for the sake of the community which everyone has seemed to forgotten because of there damned ethics please don’t sue AV. I know this may be hard not to do. As for having the cops called wish I had stood up like crossfire did when I saw this. I’m more sorry that I thought noting would come of this. Since I am always the devils advocate and get blasted I opted not to say anything. I’m sorry for not sticking to my ethics and supporting the underdog. Please dont take out your anger on the community as a whole for ethics. I think BMP called the cops. I'm also sorry and hope you dont sue him as well. However there is less justification. All I can say in his defense is maybe he realized what a rash jump to conclusion he made. He also may have realized what a huge bunch of trouble he can get into by doing that.
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| | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 111 on 5/11/2004 9:15 PM >
| | | | Maybe it was just me, but was I the only one that looked at Mike's comment about shutting down websites and thought, "Good, we can all use the break." ?? Mark's right, all this kind of stuff is threatening to kill the UE community. I believe we should all be allowed to express our opinions on subjects such as this, but this has gone too far.
Edit: This will most likely be my last post to this thread. Let's all get back to exploring.
[last edit 5/11/2004 9:18 PM by -MisfitStyle- - edited 1 times]
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Mike Dijital
UEDB Moderator
Location: Boston MA.
Gender: Male
UE ver. 1.0
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 112 on 5/11/2004 9:18 PM >
| | | | Im only going to take my own legal recourse if police, Call, show up , and harras me in anyway over this,
Legally if all it is , is some bluffing on this forum I can't do anything. but if police show up because someone tipped them off, and ( like I said before, ill drag Brad " seesion 9 " anderson into this to prove where I got this stuff. ) I will pursue EVERY legal right I have.
this has been Av's witch hunt, and I will use it against him , BPM, and chainsaw with EVERY legal right I have.
So help me god.
Im not going to run away, and I KNOW I have done NOTHING illegal. NOTHING, im so confident of it that like I said im one 500$ credit card payment away from retaining a lawyer. Now I will wait here for my door bell to ring
[last edit 5/11/2004 9:39 PM by Mike Dijital - edited 1 times]
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 113 on 5/11/2004 9:20 PM >
| | | | You can't be sued for just calling the cops and giving them a tip on something you suspect might be happening. For example: If you see someone conducting some sort of suspicious behavior outside of some government building, and you call the police to report it, even if the cops show up, check it out, and it turns out to be nothing, they can not sue you. It's that simple. If this weren't the case, a huge amount of americans would be suing each other left and right (especially post 9/11). In fact, if you have information regarding a possible crime and you withhold that, you could get into legal trouble for that. Sue away Mike, all you're gonna do is waste those precious profits you made on lawyers fees and court costs, cause there's no way that would stand up in court. Also if you are thinking of calling the police on others who run websites, remember that there is virtually no evidence of their alleged trespassing on their websites, or anywhere for that matter, I know very few people that take pictures where you can even identify explorers inside of a location. On top of that, there is a statute of limitations in most states for trespassing charges (ie, charges have to be pressed within a few hours of the incident). On top of that, you also have to prove that they were warned to leave the site through a sign, or multiple signs at a minimum distance around the perimeter, depending on the wording of the state law, or a verbal warning.
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but all the pictures on my site come from a local guy who's real name I dont even know. I post his pictures and made up stories on the web in exchange for a steady supply of home-made cookies. ;)
So good luck Mike, call the cops all you want.
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Burzum
Noble Donor
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 114 on 5/11/2004 9:23 PM >
| | | | I would still like to see a response from Av and the mods on BPM's actions, both here and in that earlier ethical mess. Isn't anyone else concerned about BPM's actions here, and his early statements (making reference to a gun, i might add)?
For the record, I would also like to hear BPM's side of this, too.
I, for one, am extremely uncomfortable with this whole thing - these forums will never work if we are all worried about others informing, etc.
Threats aren't going to help anyone - in fact, they helped create this mess. Lets remember that the hobby that brings us all here can easily be damaged by situations like this.
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| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 115 on 5/11/2004 9:28 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
like I said in an earlier post, and other have said it too, trespassing is illegal. Should I start pointing out websites to there respective police departments?? Should I blow UE online wide open to the authorities. ???
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Uh yeah, it is illegal. So is jaywalking. There's a thing called a statute of limitations, and around here if you aren't cought withen 4 hours, the police can't do jack. Unless you are stealing or vandalizing, or other no no's... Eh?
Posted by Mike Dijital
Well if they do , I know where alot of the people who started this are going to be in the early week of june, Im sure toronto police would love to know about a GIANT trespassing convention
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You are such an ass. Your attitude towards others really pissed me off before, and now it is again. Ass.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 116 on 5/11/2004 9:33 PM >
| | | | Could just a few people here act like fucking adults ?
Whatever mistakes were made by either side of the issue here, any and all of us could be behaving like rational people and not like spoiled little brats. Can't you all just drop it ? What's done is done, but perpetuating the problem certainly isn't going to help. When people get into one upping each other to get even, nobody ever ends up on top. You just get a continually escalating parade of stupidity.
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Avatar-X
 
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 117 on 5/11/2004 9:34 PM >
| | | | I'd like to add my comments to the unraveling discussion:
First, I do apologize for initially banning Mike. It was while I was somewhat angry at having discovered the news, and I figured the section in our rules that forbids discussion of lawbreaking (ie, stealing).
Anyway, some other people and admins set me right on this point, making me realize that Mike had not broken any rules, so I undid the ban. Sorry for the temporary ban, it was not warrented.
That should end the ban issue. Let's forget about it.
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Now, as for the rest. I originally posted the information regarding the stealing as a way to inform the community. I did not intend the police to be called... If that was my intention, I could have done it myself -- I have Mike's full name and address. But that would be breaking the rules of this forum regarding personal info, and I also don't want to be a snitch.
I don't think it was the greatest idea for BigPoppa to call the police... however, I can understand why he did it.
If Mike is innocent as he claims to be, nothing will come of this, and he shouldn't be worrying. The fact that he is threatening to sue, makes it quite clear that he is not innocent.
Mike: You can't sue UER. This forum is not based in the US, where people sue over hot coffee or other such sillyness. I simply posted a summation of information which proved that you had been selling items that appeared to come from an abandoned hospital for profit. I've broken no law in doing so.
Threatening to sue people is only making you look guilty.
As for your "threat" to inform the police about our convention, may I remind you that this website is open to the public, as are the details of the convention?
I think that's all I wanted to say...
-av
edit: oh, and mike. quit posting personal info about me and/or other members. it's against the rules, and that IS a bannable offence.
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Heartless
Location: Dakota Territory
Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
| | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 118 on 5/11/2004 9:35 PM >
| | | | I just want to take this opportunity to say that I am somewhat appalled by the members' reaction here. Av made it known that Mike had been banned for selling objects that were *probably* stolen. And people start calling the cops?
"Mike Dijital" and I have our disagreements, just like I have with other members here. But I would never go and inform the police like that, because frankly, it's none of my goddam business. What he does in Massachutsets is his deal, and what I do here is mine. Home turf is a different story, but even then, why call the police? Why attract more attention to a place which obviously many people like to explore and photograph? Mike Dijital isn't the only one out there near Danvers.
Why attempt to impose a felony charge on someone on the other side of the country, whom you've never met before, whose actions you cannot even prove. This is supposed to be a community. My own brother is currently in prison for 15 years on numerous felony charges, some of which were obtained while committing crimes against myself and my family. But I have NEVER brought police into the equation, as eventually, his actions caught up to him on their own.
This is supposed to be a community, people. A place where fellow explorers and photographers can come and freely exchange stories, tips, etc. Not a place where you are tried and judged based on shit that no one can prove, and that is none of their goddam business in the first place. What people do in their personal lives is none of anyone's concern; just because I signed up for UER doesn't mean that I'm perfect. And it certainly doesn't mean that my personal life should be brought here to be made public by someone I don't even know.
Do I condone the selling things? If he really did obtain them legally, sure. It's old news that items like that have value, it's not like he is the first one to ever sell something from a historic site. Sure, it makes you feel good to say "I'd have given it to a historical preservation organization," and maybe you would, but he's not wrong if he doesn't. It doesn't make him an antichrist.
Mike Dijital has every right to be angry, shit I would be furious. But suing UER won't make the world a better place, if the case even had a chance of winning (I honestly don't think it would).
What needs to happen here is everyone needs to chill out.
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| | | | | Re: Mike Dijital Selling Stolen Goods from UE Sites for Profit
<Reply # 119 on 5/11/2004 9:37 PM >
| | | | | I have Mike's full name and address. But that would be breaking the rules of this forum regarding personal info, and I also don't want to be a snitch. |
So when can we expect BPM to be banned?
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges |
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