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UER Forum > Canada: Alberta / BC > Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. (Viewed 1351872 times)
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< Reply # 40 on 6/10/2005 2:57 AM >
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< Reply # 41 on 6/10/2005 3:35 AM >
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I really hate to go on an off-topic tangent. But what does her grandfather being a mason have to do with anything? Masons aren't anywhere near as interesting as they're made out to be. Some of their buildings do have some pretty funky "secret" passages in them. The one in North Vancouver on Lonsdale is a great example of that.

I have heard something about some tunnels on the island around an old Colonial-era prison for transporting prisoners and such. I, for the life of me, can't remember any details about it, something I caught on the idiot box one night. So I have no clue how much help that can be, but, I'm pretty sure that it was somewhere in Victoria.

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The masons did a lot of the stonework in Victoria and the lower mainland, that is all.





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The masons did a lot of the stonework in Victoria and the lower mainland, that is all.




...and given that Victoria was a gateway to the Gold Rush, and that many of the original stone buildings were constructed by men who were miners and stone cutters, is it AT ALL POSSIBLE that they, along with the Masons and newly arrived Chinese workers, constructed tunnels under or around their buildings?

The thing of it is that stories such as these don't spring from the earth without some foundation. Rumours beget rumours, but even these have some kernel of truth.





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< Reply # 43 on 6/10/2005 7:48 PM >
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The masons did a lot of the stonework in Victoria and the lower mainland, that is all.


Most of the great buildings here (in the Lower Mainland) built by the Masons have since been torn down.

In general Masons only built their own halls and then mostly contracted them out to be built. Other than that they were all employed in other fields of endeavour. In Vancouver a lot of the lodges were made up of railway workers, politicians, police officers, bankers and lawyers. For the most part Freemasonry is a social club that also does a lot of charity work.

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This whole secret tunnel is very interesting considering the satanist population in the area. Although I wouldn't recommend anyone poking around alone around there. If anything is being organized for this let me know I am very interested, also if anyone here uses IRC there is a channel set up for UE on DALNet at #urbex.




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This whole secret tunnel is very interesting considering the satanist population in the area. Although I wouldn't recommend anyone poking around alone around there. If anything is being organized for this let me know I am very interested, also if anyone here uses IRC there is a channel set up for UE on DALNet at #urbex.


I think that, contrary to popular belief, Satanists are not really into human sacrifice, murder, blood worship, casting deadly spells, etc. etc. etc. My understanding is that Satanism is a purely animist religion, where magic is practiced for the benefit of self-gratification (not a bad thing, necessarily) and that participants or those who practice the religion devote their energies to the glories of being human...something like that.

Meaning that I have little fear of being turned into a steaming pile of shit, lest a Satanist discover me in one of their ritual chambers. Or being boiled alive, for that matter.

I could be wrong. If there are Satanists out there want to challenge or correct my interpretation of their religion, please enlighten me.







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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
< Reply # 46 on 6/19/2005 4:33 PM >
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Does anyone know what this means?
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Looks like a made-up script to me, but I am not a linguist. Where is it from, where did you find it? Give a bit more info, might be something to be gleaned from it.




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Looks like a made-up script to me, but I am not a linguist. Where is it from, where did you find it? Give a bit more info, might be something to be gleaned from it.


I asked around, and it's Pitman's shorthand, something stenographers used long ago before digital voice recorders and voice recognition software made it possible to speak into a machine that then turned your speech into text.

Unfortunately, few of my gang were able to translate it.

I found it scratched onto clay, so I copied it as faithfully as I could and brought it to a few people who know things about hieroglyphics, etc.






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It's from the Book of Psalms. Don't know which one, but the script has been identified.

There you go.




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Apparently, there are catacombs under the Old Courthouse in Bastion Square. Before the courthouse was built, the site was home to the police barracks, and in a small courtyard out behind the building, the condemned were hanged. Their bodies were buried in catacombs.

Also (apparently), there is a tunnel that leads from the catacombs straight down to the water's edge. The entrance to this tunnel is blocked over now, but you can see it from the big parking lot across the street from the bottom end of Bastion Square.

And five people have told me this week alone that the esoteric pentagram symbol, in conjunction with some other obscure symbol, provide a mapping system for every tunnel entrance in the city. The problem is in properly scaling the symbols to match the scale of the original city grid. Once proper scale has been calculated, the intersecting lines of the combined symbols reveal tunnel entrances throughout the city.





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My name is Chris Walker and I'm a reporter with CBC Radio here in Victoria. This is interesting stuff. If any local infiltrators are willing to share stories, please give me a call at 360-2227 or email chris_walker@cbc.ca Confidentiality assured...

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Oh wow Chris, is this just a personal interest of yours or is Urban Exploring about to explode in the media?




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As for the satanist sect of the city, all I know is what i've been told. My girlfriends family has been Wiccan going back to their great relatives the Nurse's, you'll recognize that name if you know much about the witches of Salim. Satanism like any other "religion" have extremists and posers, with Victoria being the largest north american population there is a good chance of extremists in the area. As for Human sacrificing that is a very very low possibility, but animals is a different thing all together. I've learned a lot about the subject in the past few weeks that would make for a great briefing before an exploration of the area, if its true or not.




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There's no secret tunnel network corresponding to pentagrams or secret symbols or anything of the like. It's all just wishful thinking and a waste of a reporter's time to pursue.




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There's no secret tunnel network corresponding to pentagrams or secret symbols or anything of the like. It's all just wishful thinking and a waste of a reporter's time to pursue.


You just say that because you know all about them and want to hoard the knowledge for yourself...




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naw he's from Ontario and is just bored I bet he hasn't even been to BC lately or even Victoria at all. Not a very good attitude for a moderator




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There's no secret tunnel network corresponding to pentagrams or secret symbols or anything of the like. It's all just wishful thinking and a waste of a reporter's time to pursue.


Who cares? These stories exist, more than one person has a version, therefore, these stories are true.

Reputable sources have corroborated specific elements of these stories...meaning that more than one historical researcher (that would be a PhD.) has confirmed details etc. etc., and whether these details are factual is irrelevant. The stories are part of a deeper cultural pattern.










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Reputable sources have corroborated specific elements of these stories...meaning that more than one historical researcher (that would be a PhD.) has confirmed details etc. etc., and whether these details are factual is irrelevant. The stories are part of a deeper cultural pattern.

If that's how you want to treat it than that's cool and I fully appreciate that. I'm an interdisciplinary scholar with a strong off-discipline interest in anthropology and cultural studies.

I just think it's silly to actually and misleadingly talk with breathy excitement about how this network exists when it clearly doesn't. Apart from one or two disused but officially documented and heavily secured tunnels, there is no secret complex of satanist or smuggling tunnels under Victoria's downtown core.

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I bet he hasn't even been to BC lately or even Victoria at all.

Actually I was in Victoria three times in 2004.



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Nobody said the tunnels are used for Satanists, the link came from the statement "Victoria has the highest population of Satanists in BC", which is fact. As for the connection thats just someone's opinion. To say they absolutely dont exist is like saying Alien's exist, there is no proof either way. In case you've forgotten it is fun and exciting to get involved in these "myths". Theres a lot of forest area and neighboring cities where the satanist population can go to, but thats not UE.




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Actually I was in Victoria three times in 2004.


That's super. I didn't leave Victoria for 2004. Well...I drove to Duncan for an afternoon, but that doesn't really count.







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