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< Reply # 200 on 10/19/2005 2:15 PM >
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Seriously, arguing is lame. Its pretty spellers who get all caught up on how people word ther words. Plus, Im not trieng to convince you of anything, instead, your trieng to convince me.

Im following up on the satanic/pentagon rumors that this thread is about, dipshit, so stop raining on my parade.

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< Reply # 201 on 10/19/2005 2:24 PM >
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Tanuki,

Ill meet up with you some time and research. This is the type of clues wich lead you deeper and bring evidence.

You mentioned waterfalls, stalactites, old bricks, very high tunnels. Blocked doors and filled entrances, this is exactly the type of stuff the dark cults use.

Waterfalls could mean ther is an underground river, or springs. This could mean ther are larger natural caves and tunnels.

stalactites in the area could mean this as well.

What they used to do is use natural tunnels, caves, and also make tunnels in the rocks, but not for storm drains! and not specifically, at that point for evil cults.

But most likely for royalty, people in power, yada yada. Nowadays people in power are people in cults, so only some of these hidden tunnels are in use, some link to caves and other networks.

But mainly like I said in the beginning, these are not your average tunnels.

Be very very carefull.. see them secret rooms are not located close to the surface, they are far deep in the network of tunnels.






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< Reply # 202 on 10/19/2005 2:50 PM >
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Blocked doors and filled entrances, this is exactly the type of stuff the dark cults use.

Or you know, there's the mundane explanation that a bit of concrete in a brick-lined wall represents a modern repair operation where some brick eroded away or a small old sidepipe (human-impassable) was blocked off after it fell into disuse or was replaced with another up or downstream.

Waterfalls could mean ther is an underground river, or springs. This could mean ther are larger natural caves and tunnels.

Or you know, they could mean that the storm sewer drops anywhere from a foot to twenty feet as a result of the above-ground topology. In order to maintain consistent grade elsewhere in the tunnel, the engineers introduce a sudden drop to take the sewer down underneath an area of more prominently sloping ground. Or you know, the waterfalls Tanuki mentioned could be water falling out of small sidepipes that lead not from underground springs or secret lakes with treasure ships, but from side street storm sewers connected to apartment buildings' bilge pumps.

stalactites in the area could mean this as well.

In every sewer I've ever been in, you get water leaching in from the ground above. As it comes in it carries dissolved minerals from the soil and from the materials used to build the sewer. The older it is, the longer this leachate has to form stalactites and even in some cases stalagmites. You don't need underground springs, all you need is rainfall.

But mainly like I said in the beginning, these are not your average tunnels.

You haven't seen them. I haven't either, but I've been in enough storm sewers (nearly 50) around this country and been a student of foreign storm sewers for long enough to know that nothing Tanuki detailed is really out of left field. I'd love to see this tunnel, it sounds absolutely gorgeous, but the obvious, glaring key to Victoria's Satanic Temple and the Hellsmouth it isn't.





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< Reply # 203 on 10/19/2005 5:44 PM >
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Okay...back on track. More or less. Probably less. Whatever.

The evidence Tanuki posted doesn't prove a goddamned thing. Mavrix's posts don't substantiate anything either.

Rather, what we've got here is evidence that merely lends support to a theory. Or a rumour. And all this is good.

At least, we're in a better position now than we were when I first posted my original remarks.

One can see (if you employ a bit of imaginative speculation) how 'storm drains' might evolve into 'tunnels' if the person involved is properly motivated.

In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing these with my own eyes. I'll get some pics, and I'll post them.

And if we happen to discover a Satanic chamber of mouth-hell satanism junk-bond killer sacrifice monster clown murder orb cultist scavengers, I'll take a picture of it (them) as well.




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< Reply # 204 on 10/19/2005 10:29 PM >
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kowalski

do you nit pick everyones words? I said in all those statements it was possible.

Your the text book mr know it all. Perfect spelling, must have all the evidence, and anything just a bit that doesnt fit in your little world you try to talk about how its not real.

fact is, you or i dont know if its real or not. But I am pointing out my own beliefs, as you are. Only difference is, my beliefs support this theory, yours dont. AND, yours are constantly attacking mine, mine are not.

So, why cant you handle something that is out of your limits? just to rant on something?

Leave me alone, you think you know so much? About your regular steam drains, i know alot more then anyone on these secret tunnels, proven or not.

now please, rebuddle me with your lame excsuses, and my bad spelling.




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< Reply # 205 on 10/19/2005 11:02 PM >
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kowalski, stop desputing my words.

here is some info on victoria BC.

It IS the satanic cult capital of the world, number 1.

here is some reference.

http://groups.yaho...ENDENTS/message/46

also mentions this girl who wrote a book on abuse, Now i will warn you, in the satanic ritual abuse, and cult abuse circel of victims,

they use hypnosis and other techniques to get info. They specifically warn, that the criminals, make fun of hypnosis, and say the kids are making it all up.

Or False memory syndrome. Its a very big thin in the usa.

So you can believe the victims,or the criminals, but dont come back here saying, look, and show websites saying the witness is all make believe, false hypnosis, and FMS, because thats all BS.

Its ther little scape goat.

Continuing on,

the girl who published this book, has now dissapeared. Most likely involved with what she wrote about.

This is the kid that dissapeared.

http://www.childse...chael_dunahee.html

Notice he is blue eyes, blond haired, the choice of "so called" sacrifices.

Just an interesting clue.

http://eyespybc.tr...netabloid/id1.html

another link, with a Dr, who thinks ther is a connection from his dissapearance.

The fact is, satanists do exist.

the fact is, they do black magick of the most evil kind.

Now, why wouldnt a psycho satanist, sacrifice a human? Sadly, they would, and they do. But its to out ther for people to accept, fit into ther own realities.

But, the question is, how many satanists are killers? and how many do human sacrifices?

The probable answer is that ther are atleast a few, and they could be found in the satanic capital of the world no?

kowalski, please dont despute what im typing, im just providing leads and different pieces of info.





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< Reply # 206 on 10/20/2005 1:06 AM >
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mavrix, have you ever even been in a storm sewer? Underground at all?

i know alot more then anyone on these secret tunnels, proven or not.

So you know a lot more about a bunch of self-conjectured "esoteric black magic tunnels" than anyone else here? Bravo. Where are they? Oh right, they're simply your self-aggrandizing conjecture.

I like what Tanuki's doing. In fact, I'm very impressed. I even like KublaKahn's contributions to this thread, even though he gets a bit problematically po-mo at times. And I would love to find out that anyone, Satanic Cradle Robbers included, is or has been using underground structures (other than basements) beneath Victoria.

My problem is with your occult-flavoured "I've got The Wisdom but I can't actually show or prove you anything" posts, which seem designed to puff you up as a purveyor of esoteric knowledge and to obscure the fact that you actually don't know anything. Your link-filled post says absolutely nothing of value, the only thing at all interesting there is the seven days/seven streets from Easter thing, which is quite cute but hardly requires secret tunnels/caves/portals unless they come equipped with a vehicle ramp that would account for the missing brown utility van.

My problem is with the massive pile of bullshit you're adding to this thread that's threatening to completely bury the interesting things people are contributing and actually finding on/in the ground. Now, I have actual wisdom about sewer systems and geology that I can contribute here, and I've made trips to Victoria intermittently throughout my entire life. My challenge to you is to either contribute something of tangible value here, beyond wild-eyed "it must be the Satanists/blackmagictunnels" conjecture, or wait until you have something concrete and not just "longest/deepest caves of Canada" of which I think all the Vancouver Island entries are located north of Nanaimo and thus nowhere near Victoria, which seems to sit on harder, less karstic rock than many parts of the island.

If you have anything further to say to me on this line of debate I'd like to suggest we take it to private message. Click the little gold envelope underneath my name. But do feel free to answer publicly the two questions that opened this reply, because I think everyone should know just what your actual, practical experience with underground spaces is.



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This is the kid that dissapeared.



We know who this is.

I'd prefer if this person's name remain off the thread. If anybody is interested, they can research the details themselves simply by doing a Google search, or a Canada Newsstand search.

My reasons?

It is an ongoing police investigation, it concerns a child, and I honestly don't believe that anything added to this site with respect to that case contributes anything to the investigation..

If anything, mentioning the person's name trivializes the terrible loss the family has had. So please...a bit of respect.




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I even like KublaKahn's contributions to this thread, even though he gets a bit problematically po-mo at times.



Hey...thanks man. I'll accept a po-mo jab any time.




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...interesting there is the seven days/seven streets from Easter thing...


The actual quote from mavrix's link:
"When asked, R.C.M.P. downplay the possibilty of any connection to the boy's disappearance and the fact that he vanished on Palm Sunday, seven days before Easter, and seven streets away from Easter street, in the city known to be the satanic cult capital of the world, second only to Geneve Switzerland."

It did sound interesting, so I checked up on it. He did disappear on Palm Sunday, 7 days before Easter. However, the only Easter St in the area (really called Easter Rd.) is actually in a different municipality than the disappearance. About 2 miles away. Depending on how you count, about 20 streets. One correlation debunked.

But I continued on and did a bit more online research on Satanism and the disappearance. I came up with a few interesting tidbits. Now, I'm not making any claims with these bits of information. You can find patterns anywhere if you look hard enough. And I'm not any expert on the occult. But I just finished looking this all up so I thought I'd post it, I hope it doesn't distract our thread too much from the business of finding tunnels. And it does seem to me like it's possible that there is some cult connection to the disappearance. You'd have to be fucked up to kidnap a little kid, so maybe they were in a cult.

And I'm not bashing Satanism. One of the main tenants of Satanism is to not hurt children. It actually sounds like a decent religion. But there are weirdos will take Christianity and pervert it to do crazy shit, so I'm sure there are weirdos who will do the same for Satanism.

One of the major Satanic holidays is called Feast of the Beast. Occurs either annually, once every 25 years, or once every 28 years depending on the reference. This holiday involves either a bride or a sacrifice being presented to Satan, and then he appears and gives you advice. According to both the Pagan Book of Days, produced by Alchemy Mindworks, and the Ritual Abuse, Ritual Crime and Healing website (http://www.ra-info.org/), the Satanic holiday Feast of the Beast occurs on March 24th. Which is interesting because the boy disappeared on March 24th, 1991.

The Church of Satan was founded on the night of April 30th—May 1st 1966. This day is an important pagan holiday called Walpurgisnacht, I guess the Satanists decided to appropriate it. They then decreed this Anno Satanas, the First year of the Age of Satan. So the boy disappeared one month before the 25th anniversary of the founding of the Church of Satan, and the 25th year of the Age of Satan. There are also several references to a "preparation of the sacrifice" ritual, which is several days long (although I didn't find any reference to it being longer than 8 days, which is substantially less than a month).

The seven days before Easter thing could be important in Satanism. Easter is an important holiday to them, and seven an important number, and Satanism seems to be very number oriented.

The boy who disappeared was born on a new moon.

The boy who disappeared was named after an angel who fought with Satan.

Apparently Satanists normally gather at a member's house to celebrate holidays and do rituals. They do this because they couldn't safely have a visible church of their own without getting harassed. So it seems very likely that there is a Satanist house somewhere in Victoria where Satanists gather to do Satanist things.

The place where the boy lived, the playground he disappeared from, the rumored satanist house with tunnels underneath it, and the tunnel network I was just in, are all very close to each other. Within a 50m radius. In particular, I actually COULD stand where the boy disappeared from and spit onto the entrance of the tunnel.



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I really want to see this drain. You made it sound so interesting Tanuki. Is there any possibility of being trapped in these drains by a rush of water? You know, some guy's backyard above ground swimming pool bursts...



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That is all very strange Tanuki. That's some fucked up weird shit!




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Wait, which Blanshard Park was the kid taken from? The one around the elementary school, or the parkette between Blanshard and Vernon that's actually called "Blanshard Park"? The geography of the case makes more sense with the elementary school (the brown van was reported to be in a parking lot and there'd be a lot more room for touch football) while the parkette further north fits the seven streets from Easter report. I'm guessing right now that it happened in the parkland around the school and then investigators of "esoteric black magic tunnels" like mavrix didn't bother to get that sort of information and just found the other Blanshard Park and ran with it. Given the rest of mavrix's raving here, that's hardly surprising, it sort of typifies his archetype.




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Wait, which Blanshard Park was the kid taken from?


School.

I drove down the street mentioned re: entrance/house-blah-Satanism, and ended up facing the park where the child disappeared.

I'd known about the disappearance for years. I'd heard the allegations re: Satanism. I'd also heard many many crackpot theories, and the tunnel connection was one of them.

So there I am, dumbfounded, staring at the last known place on the whole fucking planet where a child was last seen. And now I learn that there's something along the lines of a tunnel directly underneath this spot. And there's an alleged House of Satanic Worship a block down the street. And then there's all this creepy esoteric shit Day of Birth New Moon/Easter Rd. 25 anniv. Church of Satan yadda etc. etc. etc.

Imagine my shock.

[EDIT: Jester, et al...does any of this grab your attention now?]



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You do understand though that there are storm drains underneath basically every street in Victoria and if you correlate disappearances with proximity to man-passable drainage tunnels and supposed places of Satanic Worship you're going to have hundreds of matches every year in North America.



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He was taken from the small playground that sits on the southeast corner of the school property (the corner where the alley and the backstreet intersect), while his parents were either watching or participating in a baseball tournament.




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He was taken from the small playground that sits on the southeast corner of the school property (the corner where the alley and the backstreet intersect), while his parents were either watching or participating in a baseball tournament.


Not quite.

They were playing touch football, and they'd given their child permission to play in an adjacent playground.

Not that splitting hairs makes any difference.




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You do understand though that there are storm drains underneath basically every street in Victoria and if you correlate disappearances with proximity to man-passable drainage tunnels and supposed places of Satanic Worship you're going to have hundreds of matches every year in North America.


Agreed. But it's kinda interesting how these different elements come together.

In any event, I want to see this thing Tanuki discovered.




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I really want to see this drain. You made it sound so interesting Tanuki. Is there any possibility of being trapped in these drains by a rush of water? You know, some guy's backyard above ground swimming pool bursts...


I don't think it'll be a problem. I actually went down there right after a big storm, and it was still passable. It's a big tunnel and can handle a lot of water flow. But it might make you jump when the automatic sprinklers come on...

PM me if you want to meet up and check out some tunnels...

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You do understand though that there are storm drains underneath basically every street in Victoria and if you correlate disappearances with proximity to man-passable drainage tunnels and supposed places of Satanic Worship you're going to have hundreds of matches every year in North America.


Yes, but most of them are about 6 inches high. There are very few streets with walkable storm drains under them. This is, hands down, the largest historic storm drain that I've found in Victoria. But I agree, if you randomly placed a point on a map of Victoria there is a chance it could be spitting distance from a major storm drain tunnel. A relatively small chance, but a big enough chance that it could easily just be pure coincidence. But it is enough evidence to warrant looking further.

The part of the whole thing that really makes me wonder is that he disappeared on the day of the Feast of the Beast. This is the satanic ritual that Michelle Smith (who wrote the book Michelle Remembers) claims to have been abducted for. This is the girl who claimed to be abducted into tunnels underneath Victoria by Satanists... Most of her account is VERY questionable (i.e. fiction), but she did write her book before the boy disappeared. And then he happens to be abducted on the EXACT DAY of the ritual she claims to have been abducted for. The chance of that correlation happening by chance is 1 in 365.





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The chance of that correlation happening by chance is 1 in 365.


Um...probably closer to 1 in 365 1/4.

Splitting hairs again. Sorry.




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