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SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze. Gender: Neither Total Likes: 17 likes
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 3325 on 8/7/2011 10:44 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Agent Skelly
Nice! I'll pull the Queen of Tsawwassen out of retirement
| She's gone to Mexico for Conversion to razor blades! She left Port Alberni this spring, after the Port Authority sold it. The port authority had a lien on it, after the Chinese buyers, who had planned on turning it into a floating work camp (her engines removed) failed to follow through. After more than a year...some moorage was owed. She was often on the Saltery bay, Earls cove run on the upper sunshine coast. I was lucky to be on her in her last week of service. She was one of the Original Victoria Class. The Burnaby class (the Burnaby, and Nanaimo) were created by taking Victoria class ships, and adding passenger decks, and stretching them. The Queen of Burnaby (STILL in service, Comox to Powell River, the Nanaimo on thr southern gulf islands milk run), also has variable pitch screws, unlike the original Victoria class. The first Victoria class built, The Queen of Sidney, now lives in retirement on the Fraser River near mission BC. I'll dig some pix of these ships up when I have time. Hope that clears things up.
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| I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
| Agent Skelly Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory Gender: Male Total Likes: 31 likes
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| | | | | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 3328 on 8/9/2011 12:30 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by SteamPunk
She's gone to Mexico for Conversion to razor blades! She left Port Alberni this spring, after the Port Authority sold it. The port authority had a lien on it, after the Chinese buyers, who had planned on turning it into a floating work camp (her engines removed) failed to follow through. After more than a year...some moorage was owed. She was often on the Saltery bay, Earls cove run on the upper sunshine coast. I was lucky to be on her in her last week of service. She was one of the Original Victoria Class. The Burnaby class (the Burnaby, and Nanaimo) were created by taking Victoria class ships, and adding passenger decks, and stretching them. The Queen of Burnaby (STILL in service, Comox to Powell River, the Nanaimo on thr southern gulf islands milk run), also has variable pitch screws, unlike the original Victoria class. The first Victoria class built, The Queen of Sidney, now lives in retirement on the Fraser River near mission BC. I'll dig some pix of these ships up when I have time. Hope that clears things up.
| Oh, I know the lovely history, like all BCF vessels, they end up in the weridest of places! At least with WSF, you are more likely to see them end up in service elsewhere. I know, I could bring back the STENA LINE!
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| SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze. Gender: Neither Total Likes: 17 likes
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 3336 on 8/10/2011 4:32 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by KublaKhan
I thought it was because some of the crew were fucking and/or getting high.
| Simply not true. Conjecture seems to be the rule these days. Of course is sounds good for the sensationalization of a news story, to thicken the plot as it were. These were a well trained crew, and professional at that. The NEW autopilot system was being implemented (installed in retrofit only weeks before, and don't forget..this is NOT a daily run), and the crew was not yet properly trained on it. Is that the crews fault, or that of management? (David Hahn should have been fired as well). The integration of the new autopilot was not without problems, and critical alarms were turned off. IF it was human error, it was just that, human error. Fucking and getting high were NOT part of that equation.
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| I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
| SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze. Gender: Neither Total Likes: 17 likes
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 3337 on 8/10/2011 4:57 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by KublaKhan
Right. A bit of a problem, as they say, if the helmsman/woman doesn't know how to operate the craft.
| Is this an operational error a fault of the crew, the ships officers, management, or all three, and with who ultimately does the responsibility fall to? The passing the buck to the person who was simply left holding the bag...er wheel is the easy choice for most it seems. Keep in mind, she does NOT navigate, only makes course corrections when told to do so. She does nothing more. The fact remains, the "corporation". the captain, and all the ships officers/crew are to blame, and most (excluding both the helmswoman, and the fourth officer on the bridge at the time) seem to have done a good job of deflecting their duties.
| I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
| Peach
Location: Victoria Gender: Male Total Likes: 3 likes
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 3338 on 8/10/2011 1:11 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Look, having been on the bridge of a large object of maritime commerce once or twice, at the helm or a steering position (bow thruster), I can attest that boneheadedness can and does happen. But, I don't think that the crew were A: high on pot, B: Fucking like Rabbits, when the shit hit the fan. I think, that panels had been turned off, rather than down, because of a lack of understanding how to dim them vs shutting them down, because the kit was new kit. I've used SDM (*)to plot courses- it's not hard at all. It does what the box says it does- if you use it to draw safe water, then it will go into alarm prior to reaching the danger water. (IE, 50-100 ft depth set, alarm at 50 ft, alarm will go off when your course is projected to enter unsafe water, by course/rate of turn). but if you don't set it, it doesn't work !. All charts I have ever looked at (and SDM) state: "This is a aid to safe navigation, and is to be used with other aids to navigation and in connection with sound judgement". I do NOT have a mate ticket, but am a Marine Engineer. I think that several factors caught up with the crew of QofTN, and she went ker plunk. If there was evidence that the officer of the deck was high, or was distracted by getting ashes hauled, then charges would have been pushed through. They haven't been...so, it would seem that stories like that are exactly that, stories. QofTN was acknowledged as being uncompartmented, and was registered with TC under those conditions. The crew onboard did a good job getting everyone off the boat, with the exception of two passengers who probably disregarded several warnings NOT to use the elevator. I'm a little curious that the elevator did not go to one level and stop, but QofTN was a old boat, and things like that may not be interlocked to do so on a ship that predates large intergrated machinery controls systems. I've been on the bridge when we have been in some very serious challenges to navigation. It's very @#!@ stressful, even as a helmsman/woman at that time. You have to NOT second guess the OOW/CO/OIC, and let them make the decisions. I have seen us get very close to other objects which were at least as solid as the ship I was on, and it is not a pleasant feeling. It's even harder when it is a student driver, and you have the L on the back of the boat. SeaSense , instead of RoadSense ! Peach (*) SDM is one "brand"- a computer tied to a GPS, mapping location and angles. Ours are tied to the ships radar as well, and give a very accurate location fix, plus course info, plus, plus. Notably, we run 2 of them whenever we are in confined waters, to provide a back-up, as well as a heavy dose of visual nav, which I also have some experience in...I think, SDM is "Ship Digital Mapping", but don't quote me on that!
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