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post by Tanis

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 380 on 12/2/2011 2:08 PM >

Hello all!

I am looking at doing a major camera upgrade soon. Less for exploring and more for the weddings I am booking for 2012. Right now I am shooting with an Olympus PEN EP3. I intend to keep that as my exploring camera and as a backup to my DSLR for weddings.

So, I am looking at what I want to do.

Currently, my plan is this:

Canon 5D MKII Body Kit
Canon 16-35mm 2.8
Sigma 50mm 1.4

I would then save up and follow these set with:

Sigma 85mm 1.4 OR Canon 70-200mm II

It seems the body kit and picking up a 16-35 is a better choice that the kit lens it is normal grouped with the 24-105mm. Why it sounds nice to have that sorta versatility with a lens, the F4 will limit the weddings and the money seems better spent towards a wider and crisper 16-35.

Thoughts?

Right now the 5D seems to be more attractive than the D700. However, I have no particular ties with Canon over Nikon.

Here is my flickr to see the range of stuff I shoot. However, the 5D will be supporting the 4 weddings in 2012 and on...

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post by Shawn W.

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 381 on 12/3/2011 7:14 PM >

I shoot with a Nikon, currently a D80, but I'm not going to deny that the 5D MkII is an awesome camera. I have an acquaintance who shoots with one, and the results are outstanding. Of course, as I sometimes say, it's the photographer, not the camera. However, having a good camera certainly doesn't hurt. ;)

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post by BaRTiMuS

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 382 on 12/27/2011 9:10 PM >

I can't see any flickr links in your post.

I don't really think this is the best forum to get info on proper gear for shooting weddings. I would suggest visiting a forum that has more wedding photographers on it. There are a few forums that cater to wedding photographers that you can pick from.

That being said, I used to be a wedding photographer and can tell you, you're probably going about it the wrong way. The lenses you are proposing are way too wide for a full frame body (5DMKII). Even if you were at 50mm, with the 5D MKII, you would basically have to be on top of the bride and groom to get a shot of the first kiss or ring exchange. I would only recommend using these lenses if you already have a 70-200mm in your bag; if you don't, it's going to be a really tough shoot.

When I started shooting weddings (First 4-6 weddings as primary shooter), I was able to squeak by shooting with a Nikon D90 and a Tamron 17-55mm 2.8. On a 5D MKII or D700, that would be the equivalent of a 24-70mm 2.8

My advice would be to pair a 7D with a 17-55mm 2.8, or a 5D MKII with a 24-70, then purchase a 70-200mm when you have the money.

As for Nikon/Canon, I can tell you that when it comes to low light use, the D7000 or D700 seem to do a better job than the 7D and 5D MKII.

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post by \/adder

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 383 on 12/28/2011 2:23 AM >

Posted by BaRTiMuS
I can't see any flickr links in your post.

I don't really think this is the best forum to get info on proper gear for shooting weddings. I would suggest visiting a forum that has more wedding photographers on it. There are a few forums that cater to wedding photographers that you can pick from.

That being said, I used to be a wedding photographer and can tell you, you're probably going about it the wrong way. The lenses you are proposing are way too wide for a full frame body (5DMKII). Even if you were at 50mm, with the 5D MKII, you would basically have to be on top of the bride and groom to get a shot of the first kiss or ring exchange. I would only recommend using these lenses if you already have a 70-200mm in your bag; if you don't, it's going to be a really tough shoot.

When I started shooting weddings (First 4-6 weddings as primary shooter), I was able to squeak by shooting with a Nikon D90 and a Tamron 17-55mm 2.8. On a 5D MKII or D700, that would be the equivalent of a 24-70mm 2.8

My advice would be to pair a 7D with a 17-55mm 2.8, or a 5D MKII with a 24-70, then purchase a 70-200mm when you have the money.

As for Nikon/Canon, I can tell you that when it comes to low light use, the D7000 or D700 seem to do a better job than the 7D and 5D MKII.

The photographers at my cousin's wedding were running:

Assistant:
a gripped D700 + 70-200 VR II and a smaller Nikon with a kit-ish lens.
Main photographer
[1] 1Ds3 + 100-400L at the church during the procession. He switched to his other:
[2] 1Ds3 + 24-105L periodically in the church and used it during the dinner party later on.

I saw him walking around with a
1Ds3 + 135L prime for the outside with the "just married" bride and groom and parents pics.

Something went wrong with the nikon because later on in the day the assistant was shooting with a 1Ds3 + 28-135L. She wasn't very experienced she was stupid enough to ask her boss why he had no problems with the framing standing where he was with a 24-105L. "Mine's 24, you need to back up"

I didn't really get to talk to him, and she was an idiot. He was running IS lenses, I am still curious to why he preferred IS over f2.8.

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post by Savage Light Studios

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 384 on 1/24/2012 11:19 AM >

As for Nikon/Canon, I can tell you that when it comes to low light use, the D7000 or D700 seem to do a better job than the 7D and 5D MKII.

I will agree, but with a caveat.

That is shooting stock. The d series cameras are very contrasty out of the box... they crush out the blacks and blow out the whites.

That being said, I own a 550d. I prefer canon optics.

It is possible to get AMAZING photos with the canon's with a couple small things. the main one is to get the technicolor cine-style color profile installed on your camera. It is an ultra flat profile that keeps detail in your whites and blacks and allows you to up your contrast in post.

There is also an add-on for the canon cameras called Magic-lantern... it gives you complete control over functions that were automated before. It gives you a live histogram on screen, allowing you to expose your shots, by metering that way.

As for the IS lenses... almost every lens made for canon that is not a prime lens or ridiculously expensive has IS on it. I have a sigma 18-50 that has IS on it... It's canon's big selling point for it. I say shoot everything with a good, fast prime... optics are better and you will like what you shoot a lot better.

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post by gutterbabies

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 385 on 2/3/2012 6:46 PM >

So, I need help finding a camera that is good in extreme weather. I do a lot of traveling and need a camera that is good in conditions near or below freezing and in conditions up to 100 degrees with high humidity. I'm not sure if that's too much to ask out of a camera, but if anyone has had any experience with extreme weather conditions it would really help me out. Or, if anyone has good tips on protecting cameras in these conditions that would also be very helpful.

I'm looking for a camera under $3,000.
The camera I'm eying right now is the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, but I'm not sure how well it would meet my weather related needs.

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post by Uzi-

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 386 on 2/3/2012 7:29 PM >

Posted by emilyONION
So, I need help finding a camera that is good in extreme weather. I do a lot of traveling and need a camera that is good in conditions near or below freezing and in conditions up to 100 degrees with high humidity. I'm not sure if that's too much to ask out of a camera, but if anyone has had any experience with extreme weather conditions it would really help me out. Or, if anyone has good tips on protecting cameras in these conditions that would also be very helpful.

I'm looking for a camera under $3,000.
The camera I'm eying right now is the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, but I'm not sure how well it would meet my weather related needs.

If weather sealing is your main concern I would go with a 1 series instead of the 5D. The 5D has some sealing but not as much as the 1 series. You can get a nice 1D mkIII or 1Ds mkII for around $2k used. That would fit your budget and leave $1K for a lens since you'd need a sealed lens to match the body. That's half the problem is that even if you get a nice tough sealed body you have to get the lenses to match which can be really expensive.

I'm sure you could get along fine with a 5D mkII as well its a great camera, you'd just have to be more careful. From what I've read most of their weather related problems seem to stem from the battery grip not being as well sealed as the rest of the body. So if you don't run a grip you might not have as much of a problem.

A rain cover does wonders for keeping a camera dry but they aren't always practical depending on how you're shooting. Also keeping the batteries in your pocket to keep them warm does wonders in cold weather. Having a blower around to blow water off the front of lenses and out of critical areas on the body before a lens change is also very handy.

Mostly it comes down to how much risk you are willing to take with your gear. I've shot with my 7D in rain without a cover, in 100+ degree/100% humidity weather in a canoe being splashed by other boaters.

I also wandered around Nashville TN in a summer rain for 3+ hours shooting with a non-sealed 10-22. I've used it in the snow at -20 wind chill and never had a problem.

But I also have all my camera gear insured at full value through my renters insurance. If I drop, break, freeze or drown any of my body/lens combos I'm not out any money which really helps me use them in bad conditions. If they weren't covered I'd be much more careful and not take so many risks.

Also shameless plug for my camera gear board post up if you have any other questions: http://www.uer.ca/...id=1&catid=1000593

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post by Byberrian Fanman

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 387 on 2/3/2012 10:45 PM >

Posted by emilyONION

So, I need help finding a camera that is good in extreme weather. I do a lot of traveling and need a camera that is good in conditions near or below freezing and in conditions up to 100 degrees with high humidity. I'm not sure if that's too much to ask out of a camera, but if anyone has had any experience with extreme weather conditions it would really help me out. Or, if anyone has good tips on protecting cameras in these conditions that would also be very helpful.

I'm looking for a camera under $3,000.
The camera I'm eying right now is the Canon EOS 5D Mark II, but I'm not sure how well it would meet my weather related needs.

The anti-Canon side of the argument is this: Wait a few days for the Nikon D800.

Edit: Added quote.

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post by Uzi-

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 388 on 2/8/2012 3:24 PM >

Posted by Byberrian Fanman

The anti-Canon side of the argument is this: Wait a few days for the Nikon D800.

Edit: Added quote.

I'm sure the Nikon will be an awesome camera with what as of right now is the highest resolution in a DSLR in 35mm format. The only problem with waiting is that it's not available for another month and might be hard to get once it is released. And if you buy it new with taxes it would be more than $3000 and you still would not have a lens to shoot with.

Edit:grammmmmmar time

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post by Shawn W.

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 389 on 2/10/2012 8:17 AM >

Posted by Uzi-

I'm sure the Nikon will be an awesome camera with what as of right now is the highest resolution in a DSLR in 35mm format.

Such a MP count should be reserved for medium format cameras, because the pixel density is awfully high.

By the way, I'm waiting for the D400, because the 800 is a little too much for me price-wise.

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post by Byberrian Fanman

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 390 on 2/10/2012 9:18 AM >

Posted by Shawn W.

By the way, I'm waiting for the D400, because the 800 is a little too much for me price-wise.

Seeing as the D800 is not a replacement for the D700, I'm really starting to believe that the D400 may actually be full-frame, as the D7000 has filled the prosumer DX/APS-C segment. This also means that in theory, the body may be around, say, $2300 or so when it does arrive.

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post by Shawn W.

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 391 on 2/11/2012 8:13 AM >

Posted by Byberrian Fanman

Seeing as the D800 is not a replacement for the D700, I'm really starting to believe that the D400 may actually be full-frame, as the D7000 has filled the prosumer DX/APS-C segment. This also means that in theory, the body may be around, say, $2300 or so when it does arrive.

What makes you say that the D800 isn't a replacement for the D700? As for the D7000 and D400, to me, the former is between a D90 and a D300s, and I've heard rumors about the latter along the lines that you mentioned. I really hope that it won't be as expensive as you think, and is instead closer to $1,600.

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post by Byberrian Fanman

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 392 on 2/11/2012 9:08 AM >

Posted by Shawn W.

What makes you say that the D800 isn't a replacement for the D700?

The D800 essentially replaces the D3X for the studio/landscape market segment. It was meant to counter Canon's 5D series in regards to relatively inexpensive high resolution. The D700, on the other hand, was essentially a baby D3/s; full-frame, fast and very sensitive (ISO), but just a couple steps behind the aforementioned $5K flagship sports body. This is why I expect the D400 to fill this gap, instead of being another DX body; and seeing as I expect the D400 to sit in the shadow of the D4, I'd also expect it to see a similar price increase as was seen between the D90/D7000 and the D3s/D4.. the line-up has shifted a bit.

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post by Savage Light Studios

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 393 on 2/14/2012 5:35 PM >

As for the d800... Since I've not gotten to go hands on... I can only say what I know from experience... pixels aren't everything... they are doing that with a smallish sensor, so it remains to be seen what quality you'll get...

I can't find the review again... but a friend of mine writes tech reviews... the took a 7d and a 5d and left them out over night in driving rain and another night in snow and ice... the cameras were unharmed and functioned perfectly...

As for heat and humidity the canons overheat when taking video(the memory card reader and battery are basically in the same location), but never while just snapping photos... and I live in New Orleans... And since I built my custom external battery set up (15 hours per battery), I've never had an overheat.

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post by bsmith7

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 394 on 2/23/2012 10:53 PM >

I'm looking to buy a new camera body and wide angle lens here soon. My current setup is a Canon Rebel XTI, with 18-55mm and 75-300mm lenses. I was thinking about the Sigma 10-20mm for my wide angle, and maybe a Canon 60D or 7D for the body. My price range extends to about $3000. Any thoughts?

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post by \/adder

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 395 on 2/24/2012 12:13 AM >

Posted by bsmith7
I'm looking to buy a new camera body and wide angle lens here soon. My current setup is a Canon Rebel XTI, with 18-55mm and 75-300mm lenses. I was thinking about the Sigma 10-20mm for my wide angle, and maybe a Canon 60D or 7D for the body. My price range extends to about $3000. Any thoughts?

Sell everything you listed above, you should get at least $500.

Get out of crop while you still can, if you're making a $3000 investment once.

Wait a few weeks until the 5DX/III is released buy a

5D mark II $2000
Sigma 12-24mm $900
Canon 70-200 F/4 $500-600 used.
50/1.8 $100

That being said I have a 7D + Sigma 8-16mm + Tamron 70-300 USD + a bunch of sub $300 primes. It wasn't a bad route when I was buying things piecewise. But for an initial investment, I'd jump to full frame.

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post by Harvestman

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 396 on 2/25/2012 12:46 AM >

I've got a choice to make for a photography class next year. What do you think would be the best overall value?

1. Canon FtB with 50mm and 200mm telephoto and a flash.
2. Minolta XG-7 with Auto Winder, 55mm and 200mm lenses, Auto 200x speedlight

$100 for either one. The Minolta is apparently in perfect shape.

What do you think?

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post by bsmith7

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 397 on 2/25/2012 6:26 AM >

Posted by TheVicariousVadder

Sell everything you listed above, you should get at least $500.

Get out of crop while you still can, if you're making a $3000 investment once.

Wait a few weeks until the 5DX/III is released buy a

5D mark II $2000
Sigma 12-24mm $900
Canon 70-200 F/4 $500-600 used.
50/1.8 $100

That being said I have a 7D + Sigma 8-16mm + Tamron 70-300 USD + a bunch of sub $300 primes. It wasn't a bad route when I was buying things piecewise. But for an initial investment, I'd jump to full frame.

Thanks for the tips! After some research, I'll most likely go this route. It does make more sense to jump to full frame for that kind of investment.

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post by Axle

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 398 on 2/27/2012 2:09 AM >

Posted by HarvestmanMan
I've got a choice to make for a photography class next year. What do you think would be the best overall value?

1. Canon FtB with 50mm and 200mm telephoto and a flash.
2. Minolta XG-7 with Auto Winder, 55mm and 200mm lenses, Auto 200x speedlight

$100 for either one. The Minolta is apparently in perfect shape.

What do you think?

Option 1.

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post by \/adder

Re: The Official "What camera to buy?" Thread
<Reply # 399 on 2/27/2012 2:13 AM >

Posted by bsmith7

Thanks for the tips! After some research, I'll most likely go this route. It does make more sense to jump to full frame for that kind of investment.

5DII is price dropping the 4th.

http://www.canonru...rops-march-4-2012/

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