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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Grappling Hooks... (Viewed 8077 times) RadEd   |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 120 on 9/25/2003 10:37 PM >   Well, does your hook have the capability to grapple to flat overhangs? Thats the reason I'm interested in the grabber, because it looks like it will hold on just about anything holdable. I'll probabally use your hook too once I start working on more guarded places. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 121 on 9/25/2003 10:54 PM >   I sincerely doubt that hook would secure to a flat overhang (if I envision what you mean correctly). Who knows... maybe it would, but I doubt I'd feel all that secure trusting any grapple hooked to something without some sort of lip to catch on. What do you think it will do, adhere itself to the flat surface ? I don't see it being realistic... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Macsbug  Noble Donor Location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male Safety First!  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 122 on 9/25/2003 10:55 PM >   I wouldnt be so sure that any hook could really hold on a flat overhang. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think their is anything you could throw up that would hold securely enough on a flat surfacre to trust your life on. Mabye you are talking about something else, if so, ignore me... "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." RadEd   |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 123 on 9/25/2003 11:35 PM >   not metal, like roofing material. Slightly elastic and very rough. The hook's design would be great for exploiting very small lips in a surface due to the way the teeth are designed. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 124 on 9/25/2003 11:46 PM >   Thats why the hooks I use have nice little curves at the end, to hook onto whatever bit of a lip there is. thats quite different from hooking a falt surface... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. RadEd   |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 125 on 9/26/2003 12:46 AM >   well practicly flat. . . something tells me that the jesterhook wouldn't hold on a flat textured roof as well though. [last edit 9/25/2003 7:46 PM by RadEd - edited 1 times] Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 126 on 9/26/2003 12:48 AM >   Something tells me no hook would hold on what you're talking about... just because there is texture, does not make the edges catch sufficiently to support a person's weight... You still need a solid lip/edge that the grapple can snag, it's not going to hold based upon texture/friction. Using a grappling hook really isn't like what you see in the movies typically... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. RadEd   |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 127 on 9/26/2003 3:00 AM >   Hmm, after re-examining the make, its not quite designed like I remember. Maybe it wouldn't be such a good buy after all. That cinches it. Its time to take up metalcasting. Thanks Jester! Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 128 on 9/26/2003 3:12 AM >   Hey, it could be a good hook, just doesn't seem like it will be *that* amazing. Whatever you do, just make sure it's damn secure before you climb... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Ben  Noble Donor Location: Mojave Desert Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 129 on 9/26/2003 3:36 AM >   I do metal casting. I wouldn't trust my life to something I cast. Machined, sure, but DIY casting just has too many variables. It would be possible to make a hook that could catch a flat roof it there was an overhang. If not, and it was just a perfect 90 degree corner, I'd want some sharp teeth or very grippy prongs. The other option is to fire the hook completely over the thing to be climbed, and anchor the far end at ground level. nakigara  Location: ca desert Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 130 on 9/26/2003 8:40 AM >   Posted by Ben I do metal casting. I wouldn't trust my life to something I cast. Machined, sure, but DIY casting just has too many variables. It would be possible to make a hook that could catch a flat roof it there was an overhang. If not, and it was just a perfect 90 degree corner, I'd want some sharp teeth or very grippy prongs. The other option is to fire the hook completely over the thing to be climbed, and anchor the far end at ground level. thanx ben, i was about to say somehting similar. if your looking to construct your own hook, id go with forging. maybe you can find a local blacksmith in your area that would be willing to do one for you. should be a fairly simple process, i dont think any part of a grappling hook would be too tricky, so it may not even cost much. guess it depends on the smith. i could see how a grapple would 'catch' a flat overhang. im not sure if i could describe it here, but i think it would need two of the arms on the flat part, with the stem kinda angling under the eave. ............. ..____.... _/__ /\... ....../..\.. ...../..._\. ....0....... ............. hmmm... maybe i should reconsider being a career ascii artist... but like jester said, i dont think it would be a good idea to gamble life or limb on its ability to hold in a position like that. I imagine climbing would put enough 'bounces' in the rope that it might 'walk' off the edge or something. sorry, cant think of the official/technical terms for what im trying to convey. repeated edits: trying to fix that sorry-ass ascii grapple.... [last edit 9/26/2003 3:54 AM by nakigara - edited 2 times] yogurt and beer. mmmm...... RadEd   |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 131 on 9/26/2003 12:30 PM >   yeah, I was thinking very grabby and I've also been practicing smooth rope climbing so the rope doesnt swing, or at least is reduced. Its important to grip with the toes. j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 132 on 9/26/2003 5:05 PM >   Posted by RadEd well practicly flat. . . something tells me that the jesterhook wouldn't hold on a flat textured roof as well though. Jester's hook also seems to have a thin rubbery coating, almost like surgical tubing, so it would be a lot more likely to hold due to friction than that metal monstrosity. I'm still working on trying to figure out a hookless grapple. Thinking about a powdered-lead filled bag to throw over something like a pole/branch/railing, then lowering it back down to me so I have both ends. It'd be really quiet, softer (incase you hit a window), and easier to retrieve. j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! nakigara  Location: ca desert Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 133 on 9/26/2003 7:42 PM >   Jolt> dont know what kind of rope you use, but if you use the typical standard climbing type, you might be able to cut out some of the core on one end, and then use the shell/casing part (im not making any sense here, am i?) as a 'container' or something to put the powdered lead/shot or whatever in, and then seal up the end. not sure how much weight you would need, but if you did it that way, it would give a nice streamlined-sorta-shape to it, so it would be very unlikely to snag on anything for retrieval. Im just not so sure how it would affect the structural integrity of the rope, with the core unanchored to the shell on one end. might have to do somehting to secure that end before the 'soft grapple'. dunno, just a suggestion yogurt and beer. mmmm...... Chainsaw  This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. Location: Underground, Colorado Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 134 on 9/26/2003 10:51 PM >   Posted by j0lt Jester's hook also seems to have a thin rubbery coating, almost like surgical tubing, You can pick up a can of tool handle dip - it puts a nice rubbery well adhered coating on pretty much anything - you can make it thicker by re-dipping as well... http://www.plastidip.com/consumer/products.html Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur. j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 135 on 9/29/2003 5:48 PM >   nakigara> Actually, I was just thinking of using a wrist/ankle weight like some joggers use. Attaching it to the rope might be a bit tricky tho. j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! The Lost Flock  Location: Montreal, QC Gender: Male baaah.  |  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 136 on 9/30/2003 2:19 AM >   Two words: Duct Tape. -The Lost Flock The Lost Flock is finding it's way. Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 137 on 9/30/2003 6:52 PM >   Posted by LostFlock Two words: Duct Tape. -The Lost Flock 0.o j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! The Lost Flock  Location: Montreal, QC Gender: Male baaah.  |  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 138 on 10/1/2003 2:06 AM >   Duct Tape is the perfect way to attach it to the rope! Sine you win't be putting your body's weight on that one particular part it should be plenty strong to hold on a weight. Just use liberal doses. -The Lost Flock The Lost Flock is finding it's way. Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. RadEd   |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 139 on 10/1/2003 8:36 AM >   jesterhook works great. modified it to meet my needs a bit more though. Stronger and more grabby. Heavier, but I can get it up there quietly due to my 733+ |\|1|\|j@ $|<111$ Works great! [last edit 10/1/2003 8:37 AM by RadEd - edited 1 times] UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Grappling Hooks... (Viewed 8077 times)  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 156 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 740021557 pages have been generated.