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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Grappling Hooks... (Viewed 8077 times) 9mmPKR  Location: Independence Missouri Gender: Male  |  |  Grappling Hooks... < on 4/5/2003 7:50 PM >   Grappling hooks? I read in another post about Mochi making a grappling hook, is there anything you can tell me on information wise too make one?, and i do have welding skills and access to a MIG and torch... thanks- Mole IG- 9mmPKR MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 1 on 4/5/2003 8:15 PM >   you could do it easily with the equipment you mention, but I'm not sure you'd want to. Grappling hooks are historically pretty dangerous, and are used more in movies etc than real life. I'd be worried about having a large sharp pointy object thrown above me. That and you usually can't tell how safe of a bite it got on whatever it hooked, if you can see that at all. For going 10 feet with a solid ground below you, sure, thats reasonable, but trying to climb a 3 story building with it could get you dead in a hurry. This is just my thoughts, and the construction of a hook does sound like fun, so go ahead and make it if you like, but be very careful about where and how you use it if you choose to. Cops wouldn't think highly of a guy carrying one of those babies either. What kind of stock would you weld it out of? Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 2 on 4/5/2003 8:39 PM >   bah.... I made a grappling hook, and I use it... and i'm not in the movies... well i was on tv though... lol I made mine myself, but in a much more macgyver like fashion ;) , and it works amazingly well. I've used it at several targets with no problems... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. 9mmPKR  Location: Independence Missouri Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 3 on 4/5/2003 9:31 PM >   Posted by Jester bah.... I made a grappling hook, and I use it... and i'm not in the movies... well i was on tv though... lol I made mine myself, but in a much more macgyver like fashion ;) , and it works amazingly well. I've used it at several targets with no problems... what materials did you use? and any tips??? IG- 9mmPKR CMH  Gender: Male  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 4 on 4/5/2003 10:04 PM >   Mochi... we are in the same predicament, trying to get into an abandoned supermarket. I don't want to force entry too hard, so I'm gonna give this grappling hook a look. I rhymed. "It's funnier that way." Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 5 on 4/5/2003 10:53 PM >   Posted by mole#3 what materials did you use? and any tips??? Sure, why not... I use Screw in utility hooks (yellow vinyl covered or black foam/rubber covered) from Home Depot. they have lots of different ones, so pick an appropriate size (probably about 4-8 inches long not counting the screw in part). The strength that the grapple can support will depend on how many of these you use. I have found that a grapple with just 2 will support at least 170 lbs for sure. I think they probably rate for about 100-150 each in strength... click to view So, you take your hooks and hacksaw off the screw ends. Now you put a few, probably 2-4 together, and bind them with a small but strong rope/twine. Then, Weap the entire centre section with Duct tape or hockey tape (I'm not joking, it actually works very well for this). Both ends should have a hook on them. Then you need to tie your rope around that centre section, with the bottom hooks acting to keep the rope from beaing able to come off. click to view click to view click to view The Rope, I use a water ski rope, high strength but light. To help members *cough* Pixie *cough* that are climbing deficient... there are; spaced roughly 1 foot apart, a knot, then a hand/foot loop, then knot, etc etc. This allows you to stop at whetever height you are and basically *stand* there with a foot in a loop, so you can use your hands to get yourself in where you're going... Yes, some will say how the rope strength is diminsihed by the knots, But I have tested this set up, many many times before actually using it on a mission, and have had no problem whatsoever. I have used the hook/rope combination to go up buildings, down off of tall docks, and other uses as well. I am very happy with my creation. [last edit 4/5/2003 5:54 PM by Jester - edited 1 times] It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 6 on 4/6/2003 12:46 AM >   looks good jester. The only things I would do different if I were to make a similar one is to weld the two hooks together instead of taping them. (duct tape is king, but I dunno about me trusting it that much) I would also tie into the hook a little differently. the way you have it done looks as if the tape could be cut if the rope slid between the two hooks and pulled too hard on it. Probably weld in a solid tie-in ring while I had the welder out. Don't take this criticism wrong, I think you have a decently safe and reliable piece of hardware. I'll just offer my advice for anyone to think about. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 7 on 4/6/2003 1:48 AM >   Point taken Krazy, but the top rope you see loop up isn't what gets the pull of the weight. That part that goes up is just a back up incase in some way the rope slid off of the bottom (around the hooked areas) which is super unlikely, but I put the extra loop up there so if it did, It would have a second catch... Oh, and the reason I use the covered hooks, is because the vinyl or rubber coating makes the hook more non slip when hooking on a smooth surface and quieter when it connects on a toss... [last edit 4/5/2003 9:34 PM by Jester - edited 1 times] It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. 9mmPKR  Location: Independence Missouri Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 8 on 4/6/2003 2:42 AM >   looks good, i weigh roughly 260 with gear, so maybe 3-4 hooks, I've got a hotel in mind for Infiltrating, I'll take a pic of the back wall i gotta climb over to get inside without goin in a door with an alarm or anything of the like.... IG- 9mmPKR 9mmPKR  Location: Independence Missouri Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 9 on 4/6/2003 2:44 AM >   but thanks for the ideas looks great... i might use my welder (since i like welding things ) IG- 9mmPKR Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 10 on 4/6/2003 2:54 AM >   yeah, the strength they will carry will be calculated by how many hooks will be able to contact the surface. Mine with 2 will hold 200-300 lbs most likely. Having 4 will just make it easier to set, not increase the load your grapple will hold... unless you can make one with 3 contacts when latched, then you'd have the 300-450 possible weight allowance (or whatever the weight ratings of each hook you get is of course) It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 11 on 4/6/2003 3:06 AM >   try finding some thinwall steel pipe and bending up the shapes you need. you should fairly easily be able to get a really strong reig of a similar design. You'd have to bend the pipe with a bender to avoid kinking thepipe and severely weakening it. Just an idea I suppose that if the material the hook is made out of is too heavy, it will be dangerous and a ain to throw, not to mention carry around. I'm not sure where the best balance between weight/bulk and strength is, but those hooks look like they are decent for one person moving carefully to be safe. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." CMH  Gender: Male  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 12 on 4/6/2003 3:11 AM >   WOW. Thanks Jester. "It's funnier that way." Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 13 on 4/6/2003 3:16 AM >   No problem. I had been meaning to put this up for quite awhile anyway, since lots of people wonder about grappling hooks, and I seemed to be one of the few that had one and had actually used it. Just remember, everyone that makes one, regardless of the method you use, TEST IT repeatedly with more weight than it would need to support before you try it in an actual climbing situation. It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Pyrodesiac  Location: NL, Canada Gender: Male TNT can make a dull day fun!  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 14 on 4/6/2003 2:36 PM >   It's been my experience that grappling hooks don't usually hold on very well. Here's what I do. have a long length of rope(good climbing rope, obviously) with knots to assist climbing tied in them. There's a carabiner(one of those clipy things) tied onto the ends of it. All I have to do, is throw the biner end up, so as it wraps around a pole, guardrail, etc., then falls back down. The biner clips around the rope, to make a loop and hold it. Only turkies have left wings. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon. Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 15 on 4/6/2003 6:06 PM >   A loop around something is always better, but there are places where there just isn't anything to do that with. I don't use a grapple just because I have it, I use it because I need to so I can get in somewhere... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. knight  Location: Vancouver/Richmond Gender: Male To late, your dead.  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 16 on 4/7/2003 9:54 PM >   lol, what if you have to go down by rope? Can you? I mean you can't really slide down without frying your hands. Even with gloves, if its far down you could still start melting throught the gloves?? [last edit 4/7/2003 4:55 PM by knight - edited 1 times] -Ryan L http://consolereview.net/ http://knightss.com/ To understand me is to be me, to partly understand me is to be my comrade Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 17 on 4/7/2003 10:53 PM >   Posted by knight lol, what if you have to go down by rope? Can you? I mean you can't really slide down without frying your hands. Even with gloves, if its far down you could still start melting throught the gloves?? Notice how my rope is ? that will answer your question... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. matr0x  Location: Ottawa, ON Gender: Male  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 18 on 4/7/2003 11:00 PM >   Rather then using grappling hooks, when possible, its probably safer to send the best climber up to whereever you want to go, and then get him to just die a rope onto something stirdy so the rest can climb up. I really don't know how well I would trust the grip of a grappling hook, depending on the heigth your climbing, a fall could result in some very severe injuries. [last edit 4/7/2003 6:02 PM by matr0x - edited 2 times] Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: Grappling Hooks... <Reply # 19 on 4/7/2003 11:04 PM >   Some places, you are just not very likely to climb without a hook. A sheer wall with nothing to grasp for example. I'm the best climber in the group, and the reason I have the grapple is to make it up places I couldn't without it... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Grappling Hooks... (Viewed 8077 times) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 125 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 738364342 pages have been generated.