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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8   UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Making a run for it (Viewed 7755 times) Mochi  Location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose.  |  |  Making a run for it < on 9/25/2003 2:47 PM >   Well, I figured, since it EVENTUALLY comes up in EVERY explorer's life, we'd help to give you guys tips and shtuff. And by we I mean me. And by me I mean the guy that lives in my thumb, Mr. Bimble. (He's been to the moon. Twice.) BEFORE YOU RUN: -Check out how hefty the cop is. Is he one of those "l33t" cops, all trimmed down of excess fat and muscled like a horse, or is he one of those cops that could stand to lay off the jelly donuts and eclairs for a year or two?? If it's th second, then Lady Luck is already smiling in your favor. There's nothing a fat person hates more than sprinting. Okay, maybe they hate colonectomies more, but I'm not going to put too much thought into that one. -Where is it you're trying to get to? Is your escape route behind the cop, so that you'll have to get around him to escape? Once again, if the cop is a fatty, perform some fancy weave and dodge on him at the last second to through him off. If he's NOT that easy to get past, then have fun either finding an alternate route or hiding and throughing him off gaurd. -Got your running shoes on? Good. You might need 'em. Also, make sure you don't leave personal information behind, like a dropped wallet or an entire backpack of gear. You lose the stuff AND get IDed. WHILE RUNNING: -If he's fat, make sure you're out of site by the time he a) gives up the chase, or b) gets to his radio for backup. If he's trim, have fun. -Try and hide somewhere. Dude, if you CAN'T get to your well-hidden car behind to bushes, hide somewhere you KNOW he won't find you and FAST. Get somewhere quick and then stop breathing so darned heavily. Nothing will tip him off like an athsmatic wease. -If he's right on yer behind, weave. It works for lesser animals when being chased by prey, so it'll work for you. Make a zig zag while running and they'll be less likely to nab you. Also, make for the intelligent footwork and don't trip or anything lame like that. Nobdy likes a face full of concrete AND jailtime... IF CAUGHT: -First off, NEVER CARRY ID WITH YOU WHILE EXPLORING. It's just common sense, man, come on!! -If you're good at it already, lie your pants off. If you've been caught lying before by your parents/girlfriend/boss, then don't try it. Lots of people exhibit mannerisms or signs of lying. I, for example, turn red when lying. It's just a stupid reaction I have when caught in a situation that I have to get out of. It sucks hardcore. Well, that's all I have for today, kiddies. Until next time, play it safe and bring a tazer with you. (Heh heh heh, I kid.) >_< Mochi, or DOES he????? (dramatic pause) JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!) Ben  Noble Donor Location: Mojave Desert Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 1 on 9/25/2003 3:30 PM >   Posted by Mochi IF CAUGHT: -First off, NEVER CARRY ID WITH YOU WHILE EXPLORING. It's just common sense, man, come on!! What, you think they're going to say "Oh, no ID, I'll have to just let you go." No. If it's a serious situation, they'll hold you untill they can ID you. I never run from real police. Rent-a-cops, security guards, sure, because running from them is less likely to get you more charges and/or shot. Evading police is obvious, but running from one that's close enough to identify you is a bad idea. Learn how to bullshit. Practice on your friends, or random strangers. Spend a week panhandling, making up a new sob story for every mark. Ninjalicious  Gone, but always with us Location: Toronto  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 2 on 9/25/2003 4:08 PM >   I'd add that you should try to make a realistic assessment of who knows the terrain you'll be running through better. If you're poking about the back corridors of a building for the first time, you may inadvertently run to a dead end or past a security office, or simply not know about some shortcut that allows the guard to cut you off. This happened to Persephone and I once when we tried to run after being caught on the roof of a hospital we'd never even been to before. (The moral of which is that scouting is a good idea.) On the other hand, if you're totally obsessed with the building in which you're being chased, you may know its many secrets and twists and turns better than whoever is chasing you, which gives you a huge advantage. I've felt confident when running away from people at the Royal York or Union Station because I'm sure I know the place better than the people following me and can thus move through it much more quickly. Ninj http://www.infiltration.org NoSuchPerson  Stop, or I'll ask you again!  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 3 on 9/25/2003 4:18 PM >   The nice thing about Canadian Law as well... There's no law saying you can't run from security guards, or the police. It's a bad idea, but legally, there's no such charge as "running from police" or "running from security guard". The only thing you DON'T want to do is run if you have been placed under arrest - that would be incredibly stupid. But, if the cop is just like "Hey you kid, get over here", if you think you can outrun him/her into a safe area - go for it. BTW, Ninj - I work like, next door to you, aparantly...when are we doing lunch? hehe -Ex Unit calling radio say again? Caput_58  Location: Virginia, USA Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 4 on 9/25/2003 4:20 PM >   Having an ID with you if you DON'T run, can keep you from being suspicious enough to be charged. I'm not really sure what not having an ID would do for you if caught. He's going to ask your name, your state, your DOB, and probably your SSN. If those things don't match up with a real person (who shares your height, eye color, and hair color), you're going to be in worse trouble than you were before. I definitely agree that all cops are not built the same. One of my favorite cops in town here spends half his shifts on bike patrol... the only thing he likes more than chasing someone down is kicking their ass when he catches them. It seems to me that often the safest place to hide is in the building you were coming out of. A cop is comfortable with a foot pursuit over fields and down streets. But they should become very cautious when trying to follow you through some scary abandoned building, possibly waiting for backup or least fearing that you're going to turn around and jump them. Assuming you have some other exit options, you should be able to make a good escape, hopefully before backup arrives. But thats all just intelligent guessing. So far, my primary strategy (don't get the cops called), hasn't failed me. Caput_58 Kimmo  Noble Donor  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 5 on 9/25/2003 5:03 PM >   I disagree with the ID thing. I _always_ make sure that I take my ID card with me when I go exploring, be it abandoned or not. The thing is that trespassing here is a quite minor offence and with showing my ID card they will take down my information and that's it. The rest will follow later... Then again, if I don't have any ID with me, I will be definately heading for the police station. And last, I have once encountered security guards and I didn't start to run. That worked out just well, they didn't suspect me, instead they went looking for the "real" criminal who is running loose somewhere here... But of course everything depends on the situation. j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 6 on 9/25/2003 5:04 PM >   If I gotta run, I'm gonna find the nearest large obstacle that I can QUICKLY clear (one they can't), such as a 6-8 foot fence/wall or something like that. (Parkour in application) j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! Shane  Moderator Location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 7 on 9/25/2003 6:51 PM >   We generally will run from security/normal people but not from cops. Sure we will try to evade them, but we will stop if they've spotted us and asked us to stop. As for the ID thing goes from what I know, cops don't seem to like it when you don't carry any ID and it may very well be the thing that makes the difference of being given a warning and let go and getting to take a trip to your local police station. I always carry a drivers liscense AND my student ID which makes a pretty decent credibility prop. "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk Ninjalicious  Gone, but always with us Location: Toronto  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 8 on 9/25/2003 8:54 PM >   I agree that many places are indeed more willing to let you off with a warning if you can present ID, but we're talking about when and how to run away, not what to do if you decide not to. Ninj http://www.infiltration.org Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 9 on 9/26/2003 3:25 AM >   When I got caught in my campus tunnels, I think the only reason we didn't get taken downtown was that we all had our state and student IDs. If we'd been more Than 2 ft. from the door when they opened it I would have run. I know one cop wouldnt have fit through the entrance into the main tunnel, and hopefully the other one woldn't shoot at me. unfortunately in such a situation with multiple explorers in custody, they could just persuade/ threaten the others into identifying the one who got away. € my PDA Cant spell [last edit 9/25/2003 10:26 PM by Freak - edited 1 times] Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 RobbieKnobbie  Location: Philadelphia PA Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 10 on 9/26/2003 6:27 AM >   Perhaps Canada is more liberal on this point, but in the states 'Evading a Police Officer' is a crime... A very good friend of mine thought he was being pulled over so he ducked into a neighborhood. The cop saw his evasion and followed. The cop did catch him, searched his car thoroughly and wound up only writing him up for evasion... It turns out the cop wasn't even after my friend at all, but figured whatever he was running for would probably be a better 'collar' than the guy who blew a stop sign behind him. Now, in this case automobiles were involved, but the same holds true if you're on foot: a cop yelling at you to stop can charge you with evasion if you flee. Moral: make sure you're being chased before taking off! or is it: don't run from cops? it's late and I confused myself. You're shitting me... that's IT? stealthy  You got a problem bro?  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 11 on 9/26/2003 1:32 PM >   When I go exploring, i either go with someone who knows the area like the back of his/her hand, or i will scout out that area so much that i will know that terrain very well. Especially In my state, the cops here are real assholes. But, thats a different thread. Anyways, i would say if your gonna run, know the area well. There's nothing worse than at night you run into a building that looks abandoned, but is actually a very active police station. That will ruin your day. ReAct  Location: Northern Jersey... For now. Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 12 on 9/26/2003 2:46 PM >   Nobody but a cop really has the power of law behind them. Running from everyone but cops is a good idea. With normal people (rent-a-cops/security are normal people) if you run, so what? They tell the police "He was trespassing and he ran from me!" The only crime there is trespassing. You might as well give escape a shot if you have the chance. Running from the cops is stupid because it makes you look guilty. You can be damned sure if they catch you, they're probably gonna arrest you, if only out of spite for making them chase your ass. Not only that, but police have potentially rediculous resources. If they really wanted to catch your ass, they could call in three back up units and a K-9 and you're toast. And as far as running from cops into the building you just came out of: Yeah, there's a better means of escape through there, but you better hope you don't encounter that cop who's chasing you. For exactly the reason stated: It's a scary abandon building, probably dark as hell. There's one, maybe two cops. They don't know if you're armed or what your intentions are. They don't know who's in there with you or what weapons those folks might have. The only thing they have that might equalize the situation is a .9 mm. Accidentially stumbling across a persuing officer while in an abandon building is a good way to get your ass shot. Unless you are absolutely, positively somewhere that you really shouldn't be, running from the cops isn't the best option, bullshitting is. "I was just looking around because I photograph abandon buildings for my art studies class." If you whip out your picture ID, show them you have nothing to hide, act real humble and apologetic, you were sorry, you weren't aware this was illegal, etc., etc. There are a lot of donuts out there waiting to be eaten; cops have better things to do than bust people for walking around abandon buildings. -ReAct "'13.2V...' Thirteen volts. It's thirteen volts? Jesus, I could practically be made of salt water and this wouldn't hurt me." "That says '13.2kV.'" "Ohhhh... Thirteen-thousand volts... I suppose that's a little different...." statik  Location: colorado There has got to be more to life than just being really, really, really, ridiculously good-looking.  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 13 on 9/26/2003 3:25 PM >   I would totally agree. Don't run from cops. Don't lie to cops. But don't afford such respect towards the rentals. Run. Hide. Lie. Give false names. Insult mothers. Of course, I'm not sure about rules regarding other states, but here, a security guard has only two options: 1.Ask you to leave before the real cops get there. 2.Ask you to stay until the real cops get there. And here, if they ask you to stay, it's totally within your rights to say "no" and walk away... and if they ask you to leave, it's totally within your rights to say "no" and continue about your business... ...until the real cops show up, of course. Leaving's usually a good idea. None more black.. Chud  Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd...  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 14 on 9/26/2003 3:36 PM >   The CPOs in Auburn (Campus Police Officers, the university owned rentals) are hated by the APD and the UPD (the two factions of real cops). Where I work, a few guys from the APD hang out and get coffee and read the paper, and they pretty much tell us that if the CPOs try to pull us over, just give them the finger and leave them in your dust. As far as UE goes, I think I personally could get away with a bit more than most, knowing some of the APD and UPD, but your average Joe Explorer, getting caught by CPOs, could get away with just as much. The biggest problem with the CPOs is that they think they are real cops, so you have to watch yourself unless you want to get shot by a geriatric with a pellet gun. UPD probably wouldn't take too kindly to trespassers, either, but if you played your cards right you could probably work the CPO v. APD/UPD angle to your advantage. Or just don't get caught. Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything. -Kimmo j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 15 on 9/26/2003 4:58 PM >   Posted by statik I would totally agree. Don't run from cops. Don't lie to cops. But don't afford such respect towards the rentals. Run. Hide. Lie. Give false names. Insult mothers. Of course, I'm not sure about rules regarding other states, but here, a security guard has only two options: 1.Ask you to leave before the real cops get there. 2.Ask you to stay until the real cops get there. And here, if they ask you to stay, it's totally within your rights to say "no" and walk away... and if they ask you to leave, it's totally within your rights to say "no" and continue about your business... ...until the real cops show up, of course. Leaving's usually a good idea. Wow, you're a jerk! I work as a rentacop, and while you might THINK it's in your rights to refuse to stay/leave, you can only really do that insofar as the guard is willing to let you. It's 'totally' within their rights to hold you (physically) until the police arrive if they think there's reason to do so. j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! statik  Location: colorado There has got to be more to life than just being really, really, really, ridiculously good-looking.  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 16 on 9/26/2003 5:31 PM >   Okay, okay, I'll take back the "insult mothers" thing. You're in Canada, right? You gotta remember, we're Americans. We like to sue people. Most security forces here would rather avoid the assault lawsuits, and forbid their officers from using any physical force unless they themselves are physically attacked. And I gotta tell you, just a firm tone of voice isn't going to convince me to stick around... None more black.. j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 17 on 9/26/2003 5:49 PM >   Posted by statik Okay, okay, I'll take back the "insult mothers" thing. You're in Canada, right? You gotta remember, we're Americans. We like to sue people. Most security forces here would rather avoid the assault lawsuits, and forbid their officers from using any physical force unless they themselves are physically attacked. And I gotta tell you, just a firm tone of voice isn't going to convince me to stick around... Yeah, you guys do hire a lotta lawyers. Security on your side of the 49th can carry firearms, right? Up here, we aren't allowed to carry even pepperspray! Regardless of all that tho, most guards only have a 'firm voice', as security guards get a whopping 10 hours of self-defense training (at least here), so the majority of them wouldn't know what to do if they had to physically restrain them. j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! Krenta  Location: Saint Paul, MN Nope, wasn't me.  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 18 on 9/26/2003 6:12 PM >   Just from an U.S. perspective: It's a bad idea to run from sworn LE. That's an offense in and of itself, and they *really* don't like it when you do that. Carry ID, always. If the officer can confirm who you are, *and* that you're not wanted for anything, she'll be much more likely to let you go without visiting booking. If you lie about your ID, and they catch you lieing, that's one charge of giving false information to the police. It's not worth the risk, to me, anyway. Running from security guards is hit-and-miss. On the one hand, they're not likely to chase you, because of liability (One large security firm here in the Twin Cities has a "no chasing" policy after a shoplifter at a department store fled a guard, slipped on a patch of ice, and broke several bones, then sued the security firm. Really.). On the other hand, in MN (check your local laws!) anyway, a security guard does have (limited, but real) powers of arrest. If he says the magic words, and you run, or continue to run, you can be charged with evading arrest. Pretty nuts. I've always thought the second-best way to get away with stuff (right behind "don't get caught") is to not act suspicious. Running away is, I know it seems hard to believe, but it's suspicious. Really. Not having ID, or having lots of different ID, or having dubious/fake ID, is suspicious. Don't lie; the sheer novelty of being told the truth often confuses police officers so much that they'll let you go with a warning. You have to weigh the consequences of your actions. If for some stupid reason you're exploring with a kilo of BC Bud in your backpack and a semi-auto pistol is tucked down your waistband, you're a fucking nutcase you have some really, really strong incentive to not get caught. On the other hand, if you're careful not to have anything illegal on you, and you're not wanted on an y warrants anywhere, it might just be safest to play good guy and cooperate... Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. statik  Location: colorado There has got to be more to life than just being really, really, really, ridiculously good-looking.  |  |  Re: Making a run for it <Reply # 19 on 9/26/2003 6:49 PM >   Posted by j0lt Security on your side of the 49th can carry firearms, right? Up here, we aren't allowed to carry even pepperspray! Depends, actually... I'm not sure if it's law or not, but typically, the contract guards (the ones who work for an independent security company, and are contracted to watch, say, a parking lot) can't carry. I believe you have to have at least an associates in Criminal Justice in order to pack iron or have any sort of detainment power. But that could just be the cornhole talking... None more black.. UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > Making a run for it (Viewed 7755 times) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. 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