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 Ferret
    
Location: Toronto
 |  | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 80 on 3/8/2004 2:47 PM >
|  | | | Posted by 13ue
whenever i enter a building to explore i always bring a roll of fishing line, a pocket knife and some neon green post-it papers. So when i get into the building i make trip wires across the room and on each side I post a paper to whatever its tied to, just incase someone does chase me i look for the post-it's and jump....while they trip. But if nobody chases you pick up your garbage!
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Let's not forget that setting a boobie trap and tripping a police officer is assaulting an officer, and from that point onwards he's going to be looking for whoever is there with his gun drawn and mentally prepped to shoot.
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Duluoz
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 81 on 3/10/2004 3:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by 13ue
whenever i enter a building to explore i always bring a roll of fishing line, a pocket knife and some neon green post-it papers. So when i get into the building i make trip wires across the room and on each side I post a paper to whatever its tied to, just incase someone does chase me i look for the post-it's and jump....while they trip. But if nobody chases you pick up your garbage!
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This is utterly absurd. I'm sure you think you're all clever for dreaming up this tactic, but actually doing it would most assuredly be assaulting an officer. Go rent Home Alone again, but don't do anything this childish in real life.
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Indigenous Insurgent
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Gender: Male
Only the Truth is revolutionary
| |  |  | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 82 on 3/22/2004 9:55 AM >
| | | | When making a run for it, just go. Don't try any fancy stuff. Fancy stuff ends up like this
http://media.ehacked.com/?v=failed_escape
Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. |
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Psycho
Location: Australia New South Wales
Gender: Male
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 83 on 3/23/2004 4:30 AM >
|  | | | I think having Parkour skills would help alot in making a run for it.
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sympathy in chaos
Location: Chicago
Gender: Male
| |  | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 84 on 3/25/2004 6:25 AM >
| | | | Wind sprints would be just as good.
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HAMMERTIME
Location: Reading Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
mmm, a box . . . just a box
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 85 on 3/25/2004 7:33 AM >
| | | | Know the area and always have an out. It's the first rule for the covert stuff and it applies to UE as well.
Even BSing can be an out but remember the 5 P's
proper planning prevents poor performance
if in a group - make sure that everyone knows the story
bring a prop to add to your story.
i.e. you get caught in a drain or abandoned building
you tell the cop that you lost your dog and you are
carrying a dog leash with you. (of course, you can't
look like a commando but having flashlights, light
sticks, headlamps, etc. would seem resonible for a
search for a dog. )
I used to be a Rent A Cop (please forgive me - but i've now gone over to the dark side) and Cops and Rent a thugs hate being lied to, if you lie, it had better be convincing.
if in a group, and you run, make sure to have a rendevous
point, since you can split up and then meet there later.
Another thing to know is if your local PD or LE have K9 capability (even if they dont, a surrounding dept may come join the hunt), if its a slow night or some poor slob of a cop has just cracked his noggin because of a trip wire, the hunt is on!! If the cops bring out the big Dowgs , hiding wont cut it. Distance and Escape are the rule, put distance between you and the dog. If the local PD has dogs, having a container of red pepper is an option (you can spread some on the ground to interfere with dogs noses, a film canister of red pepper can help to blind a homeless meth freak who wants to rape you (remember to remove the lid and toss pepper at him - I shouldn't have to write this but I know some UE members are younger), and since it isn't tear gas , it's not a weapon "Honest officer, I put red pepper on just about everything I eat."
I'm a newbie but maybe a discussion of cover stories is a good idea. i.e. lost dog, lost wallet, "I just ran away from home officer, please take me home, I'm sorry."
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orangeindiana
Noble Donor
Location: Texas
Gender: Male
Meh.
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 86 on 3/25/2004 10:20 PM >
| | | | I don't intend to dissuade people from sharing their opinions, but there've been a few instances in this thread (and elsewhere) about things that may have seemed like a good idea in the writer's mind but really aren't very sensical. Fishing line booby traps? Red pepper in a film canister? Ehhh...
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Indigenous Insurgent
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Gender: Male
Only the Truth is revolutionary
| | | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 87 on 3/27/2004 6:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by HAMMERTIME
I'm a newbie but maybe a discussion of cover stories is a good idea. i.e. lost dog, lost wallet, "I just ran away from home officer, please take me home, I'm sorry."
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A good cover story can often mean the difference between being shoo'd away and having the cops called. A few of my personal favorites are:
1) Since I usually have a camera with me, I simply say that I am a student taking photos for a project I'm working on. Carrying your supplies in a backpack helps add some credibility.
2)Saying I'm a volunteer with a "Urban Youth Ministry" looking for homeless people. I'd bring a bible or some brochures listing resources (Shelters, soup kitchens, etc) for the homeless. I got those at an actual shelter I used to live by. You can print up your own if you have a printer. Just try and put legit information on it
(I've seen a similar cover story somewhere else on the forums, so I'd like to make it clear that I'm not taking credit for anyone else's ideas. I just happened to have thought of the same thing)
3) This might only work when your a young kid, but when I was in my teens, I found out that saying I was "Just lookin' around" would usually be enough to convince the security guards I was just some dumb kid walking around where I wasn't supposed to be. As opposed to some dumb kid who's been vandalizing the place or doing drugs in there.
Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. |
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foxtrot
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 88 on 4/9/2004 10:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
The nice thing about Canadian Law as well...
There's no law saying you can't run from security guards, or the police. It's a bad idea, but legally, there's no such charge as "running from police" or "running from security guard". The only thing you DON'T want to do is run if you have been placed under arrest - that would be incredibly stupid.
But, if the cop is just like "Hey you kid, get over here", if you think you can outrun him/her into a safe area - go for it.
BTW, Ninj - I work like, next door to you, aparantly...when are we doing lunch? hehe
-Ex
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Yes there is. It's called "Evading police". And you can be charged with it, even if you have committed no crime. You CANNOT run from the police. You can walk away from the police, if you are not under arrest. But if you break into a run, prepare to be chased, tackled and handcuffed. Walking away calmly from the scene is your right -- but to run implies that you have definitly done something wrong, giving the police the ultimate right to chase you down. They don't need evidence of a crime, just a suspected crime taking place is enough. Security on the otherhand must catch you in the act.
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foxtrot
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 89 on 4/9/2004 10:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by statik
I would totally agree. Don't run from cops. Don't lie to cops.
But don't afford such respect towards the rentals.
Run. Hide. Lie. Give false names. Insult mothers.
Of course, I'm not sure about rules regarding other states, but here, a security guard has only two options:
1.Ask you to leave before the real cops get there.
2.Ask you to stay until the real cops get there.
And here, if they ask you to stay, it's totally within your rights to say "no" and walk away... and if they ask you to leave, it's totally within your rights to say "no" and continue about your business...
...until the real cops show up, of course.
Leaving's usually a good idea.
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Until they say "fine, your under arrest for trespass" and physically take hold of you. Which would be within their right as soon as you said "No" and continued about your business.
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Marshall Alpha-1
Location: Teh Great White North Eh...ya Hoser
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 90 on 4/24/2004 10:44 AM >
| | | | Where i Live in Edmonton Running is never an option, as i cannot outrun a chopper equipped with a 3mil candela spot and FLIR.
The 3 times ive been busted Ive just fessed up, and they ran my name, asked me if id breathalyze and i went on my way with a hearthy handshake and a fair warning.
Remember kids the worst cops to run across are MP's authorized to shoot onsite if your witin base perimeters...
but the RCMP and EPS have always been congenial.
S:"My Bag's frozen solid"
Dixon:"So is mine"
S:" I meant my messenger bag..."
Dixon:" Oh...uh yea" |
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Plytheman
Location: Lawrence, Massachusetts
Obey The Deer
| | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 91 on 4/24/2004 1:05 PM >
| | | | Yeah, I wouldn't run from security until they threatened for the cops. Its just a waste of energy on your part and teh securities... But im a very lazy person, so eh...
I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!!
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GypsyLife
Location: Texas
Gender: Female
Windows of the Soul
| | | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 92 on 9/17/2004 1:47 PM >
| | | | How many times, if at all, have people been arrested for this? Fines, and a slap on the hand are one thing, but actual jail time? As far as not bringing ID, I carry it at all times, and more. I even went to the measures of printing out some general info on UE and keep them in my camera bag at all times. I haven't had to deal with any police yet, but the general people that I have ran into mainly just sit there with their mouths open in disbelief of the explanations they just heard to their questions, "Whatchya takin' pictures of that ugly building fer?"
Like I said I have not had a run in with the police yet, but am I being naive, or wouldn't it just be best to politely explain what you are doing there? Be polite, say your yessirs, and leave if they tell you to, no questions asked, wouldn't this be the best way to deal with the police?
"A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but a true friend will be sitting next to saying "Damn! That was fun!'" |
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 93 on 9/17/2004 7:21 PM >
| | | | Dont run from fat cops they will start shooting.
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Feztaa
Location: Victoria, Canada
Gender: Male
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 94 on 9/17/2004 9:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by GypsyLife
Like I said I have not had a run in with the police yet, but am I being naive, or wouldn't it just be best to politely explain what you are doing there? Be polite, say your yessirs, and leave if they tell you to, no questions asked, wouldn't this be the best way to deal with the police?
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I have had a run in with the cops, and I don't think you're being naive at all.
Some background info: I was trying to get into an abandoned building that had chain link/barbed wire fence. I climbed over the fence right next to a huge black & yellow "NO TRESPASSING" sign, and before my feet even touched the ground on the other side, the cops pulled up, sirens and everything. I just let out an "ah, shit" under my breath, climbed back over the fence, and talked to them.
They questioned my literacy, had a hard time understanding why I'd want to disobey such a sign, made a huge deal that the fence was there because the building was condemned, it was for my safety, etc. I showed them my photo gear (crappy point & shoot at the time, but I also had a tripod so that really helped my credibility). I explained that I wasn't going to go inside, I just wanted some pictures from inside the fence (a lie, sure, but the way the conversation went, it seemed like an easy way to get them to lighten up about it, and it worked).
A number of things helped to keep me out of jail that night: the tripod as a credibility prop, no criminal record when they ran my driver's license, and it's kind of sad but it also probably helped a lot that I'm white, sober, clean shaven, etc.
Like I've said before... I'm a bit pudgy and I lose my breath quickly when I try to run. I find it much easier to get out of tricky situations with my mouth than my feet. My motto for encounters with authority during UE is "hide or surrender: don't run". It's better to avoid detection, but once detected, it's better to talk than to run. Especially because running just makes you look guilty of something anyway.
And just remember, the worst thing a security guard can do is escort you out. They can't legally detain you in any way. Sure, if you're doing something really illegal, they'll call the police to arrest you. I've only had one encounter with the police, but security guards are usually just happy to see you leave. Occaisionally security will harrass me a bit, and if they do I just leave. I've never been pursued by a security guard, I don't think they can really do that unless you've stolen something that they want back.
One thing comes to mind... I was walking around downtown, and I saw some construction happening on one small part of a fairly large building. Didn't want to jump the fence because there were people around, so just for the hell of it I walked the perimeter of the building, trying all the doors. Everything was locked, of course, but when I came around to the main entrance of the building, two security guards jumped out at me, and they were seriously power tripping. At first I thought I'd just give the standard "oh sorry, just curious, didn't know anybody was here, I'll leave now" but they just kept harassing me, nothing I could have said would have satisfied them. When I realized that the conversation was going nowhere fast, I just turned around and walked calmly away, at a very casual no-hurry pace. As soon as I turned my back on them, one of them said "And I never want to see you here again!" and after that they just left me alone. No pursuit, no nothing. I thought it was kinda funny, because at first they were REALLY mad, like I'd just pooped in their cornflakes, and I was just thinking "relax dude, I haven't even done anything illegal yet", but as soon as I turned my back on them, they suddenly stopped caring about me. Go figure.
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Shard
Location: WA
Gender: Male
Baron Deathchemical
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 95 on 9/17/2004 10:39 PM >
| | | | Ah, the good old “sour grapes response.” I read about that in Psychology.
[last edit 9/18/2004 9:18 AM by Shard - edited 1 times]
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Down State
This member has been banned.
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 96 on 10/3/2004 4:57 AM >
| | | | I ran recently, but like a deer in head lights I was frozen as the state troopers car slowly headed towards me, my legs woke up with his car a mere 30 feet from me, all I remember is the roar of his engine and the slam of his door as he came inside after me... but I was already under him heading off deeper into the tunnel system.
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Plytheman
Location: Lawrence, Massachusetts
Obey The Deer
| | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 97 on 10/3/2004 3:34 PM >
| | | | Whenever you explore, always keep alert and know your escape routes/hiding places. Inside it isn't as necessary, but outside in the open tryin to get in or out, I'm always looking around for paths out, bushes to hide in, etc. Sometimes the best option is to find a good hiding place and hunker down until the security/cops leave. Its more risky with cops, as they may actualy try to find you and then your in trouble, but with security you can usualy hide and they'll assume you left.
I'm achin, I'm shakin, I'm breakin, Like Humans Do!!
-Byrne |
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NightGiant
Location: Western New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 98 on 10/14/2004 6:38 PM >
| | | | I know this is an old thread, but I just wanna say something I didn't see anyone else say. Make absolute positive you know who it is you are encountering and what powers they have. Example, my dad used to be a county park ranger in california, until a couple of years ago he was a sworn peace officer (the big wigs in the county office stripped all the rangers of their PO status so they wouldn't have to give them as much for retirement). Thus, he was authorized to carry a firearm, use physical force and was well trained in restraining techniques, self-defense, etc etc. Also, he was a resident ranger, meaning we lived on the premises. If there were suspicious people in the park he would not just leave it be if they hid, because his family was living on the premises. So don't just assume a security officer or park ranger is only that, they could be packing and thinking more of protecting their family then protecting the property. The other moral is that the laws can even vary from county to county, not just state to state.
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RedPrism
Gender: Male
| | Re: Making a run for it
<Reply # 99 on 10/15/2004 9:31 PM >
| | | | Well...at least in Texas I wouldn't recommend running from city police...they have to much time on their hands and in my county they carry no less than 2 guns (a taser gun and a berreta). Plus most of the time there is nowhere to run since it's mostly flat country here. Hence my aversion to getting caught.
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