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 Bratchny
     
Location: New York City
Gender: Male
 |  |  | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 160 on 3/14/2005 3:15 PM >
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it might take you a week to get trusted status but if you want to be part of the community then it's worth it. start now, while you still have access! instead of posting here, post in your location forum, go to chat when you have a few minutes, post in the main forum.
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This constitutes serious band-wagon jumper, ass-kissing behavior - and I for one wan't nothing to do with that. Either way, I thought this arguement was settled on page 4 - if you're here reading this, posting to this thread, and have at least contributed something to the site, you'll likely get trusted status.
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Roadwolf
   
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| |  | | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 161 on 3/14/2005 3:33 PM >
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so.. what i read in that last post is that. A) your contradicting yourself a few times.
i.e.
"2) I don't see how this is going to affect security or "protect" sites posted in the LDB"
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"...What we're really worried about is law enforcement and site owners using the LDB to figure out whom they can prosecute or who they should be keeping an eye on.
This system DOES that,..."
and B ) you want a private database where you can choose the people you trust and post your locations to only them.
"If *I* could mark a site "private" - like the private discussion forums we have now - and invite the users I want to have access, and the mods can view and moderate as necessary in that "private" location, yeah, I'd probably share more,..."
but then your also complaining that "Really, if it went from 2000+ listings to 200+ listings would anyone really want to jump through any hoops to get to it?"
hmmm, well if everyone had these little private locations, what would that reduce the LDB to? almost nothing I would imagine.
"I'm sure there are plenty of snitches on board that will have level3 access within hours or days of coming around here."
How many snitches do you actually think are on here? is it because you only trust the people you have met and you think everyone else is evil?
personally I don't like it when people pre-judge and assume things without knowin gthe facts.
"I have always taken measures when posting LDB information to conceal the dates and specific locations of the sites I have visited."
There is nothing saying you can't still do this with the new system.
"Let's take JoeDipshit again as an example. I'm sure moments after the policy is in place he will be granted level 3 access, he has many friends on the board. I, personally, would not share specific access information with JoeDipshit because I know he has a different opinion about "souvenir hunting" than I do."
But you were sharing the same information with him before you deleted your locations when you heard of this impending major change in the UER operation. but how does the new system make that any different?
>>> See the point is that security guards, property owners, and cops generally will stay quiet and monitor from a distance. so this level 3 stuff will basically let all the real explorers in... people who talk to eachother. and socialize. security guards, owners and cops will not get themselves involved in conversations, because if they do, they will be suspect of being interested in it by their superiors. therefore in general there will be less security, owners, and cops watching the database. and any that do slip through, will be easy to hunt down.
"3) I'm not worried about the lurkers being cut off, honestly. If someone isn't willing to participate in the community as anything but a voyeur we should probably limit their access to the LDB."
Yes. I agree.
"This is all just pissin' in the wind though, anyone with enough brain cells to operate a motor vehicle can look at my sites in the LDB, do a little research and get into them on their own. My restricting information is no more than an attempt to belay guilt about someone disreputable trashing or thieving from a site I have posted."
Well yea... and anyone can do a google search for abandone dsites and find info on them aswell... but why not make it harder for the public to access these sites but not making it available on uer.ca to the general public to view without a membership?
anyhow, just a few notes I found interesting... 
Roadwolf,
[last edit 3/14/2005 3:43 PM by Roadwolf - edited 1 times]
Add me on Skype or Steam: Roadwolf611
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 162 on 3/14/2005 4:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by Roadwolf
so.. what i read in that last post is that. A) your contradicting yourself a few times.
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Let me make myself clear - though it does make it more difficult for law enforcement and property owners to access the site it does not keep someone from using just a little social engineering to get to it anyway. A thief, vandal, cop, security guard or property owner CAN still get access to the info in the LDB in a matter of hours or days if they really want to. Just like padlocks, they only keep honest people out. This new system does provide some security from the CASUAL observer but not the dedicated investigator.
hmmm, well if everyone had these little private locations, what would that reduce the LDB to? almost nothing I would imagine.
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Actually, I see double entries - the "Public" entry with generic info and a "Private" entry where I provide more details. So, when someone comes and asks for more info about the titan base location I created, if I trust them, I add them to the private entry so they can get all the details I'm willing to share.
This isn't necessary by any means,I do it in PM and Email now, this would just make it easier:
"Hey, Chainsaw, can I get more info on the Titans?"
"Sure, I added you to the private location - here's a link"
Which is much easier to type than a 3 page explanation of where they are and how to get in - plus, once they are in they can ADD their own information to the site - ya know? It's just an idea, but I like this concept better than an all or nothing pass. One person ends up being the admin - just like a private board other members of the private location can lobby the owner to add users or go to the mods if they are having problems with the "owner".
How many snitches do you actually think are on here? is it because you only trust the people you have met and you think everyone else is evil?
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If everyone is okay, why are we doing this at all?
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Chainsaw
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Location: Underground, Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 163 on 3/14/2005 4:13 PM >
| | | | Just so you know, the only reason I bring up the idea of "private locations" is because I hate it when someone complains about something but doesn't provide any alternatives or solutions to their own issues with the problem. I'm not waving the flag saying the only way we should do this is to make private locations - or a private section of each location. I'm only suggesting that there are other ways.
UER is here so we can share information, right? I don't like the idea of seeing the LDB shrink because not everyone is trusted, I also have some information about locations I've visited that the public is welcome to view!
Quid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur.
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT
<Reply # 164 on 3/14/2005 4:29 PM >
| | | | OK, I think enough stuff has been said and enough people have posted without reading the whole thread. To clear up the last few concerns, here's the timeline of how this system will be implemented:
Part A
In the next week or two, I will be making the necessary changes to the programming to allow this system to work.
Part B
Once the code is ready, the "Level Display" will appear. It will tell you who is Level 2 and who is Level 3. If you're Level 3, it will remind you to mark your friends as Level 3. The admins will go through all the people they know and trust and mark them as Level 3.
During Part B, no restrictions will be implemented.
Part B will last 1-2 weeks.
Part C
During this week-long phase, all accounts which are not yet Level 3 will have large banners at the top, urging those members to see if any of their friends are Level 3, and then asking those friends to Level3 them.
Part D
During this phase, all members who are not yet Level 3 will be allowed to sign up on a "Requesting Level3" list, which will be reviewed by moderators. This is a last-ditch effort for people who have at this point not yet found another way to be Level 3. This phase might take a week or two.
Part E
At this point, all people who are good people and SHOULD be Level3, WILL be level3. Part E marks the time where the restrictions are put in place, as described in the first post in this thread.
Members who are not yet Level 3 at this time will still be able to appeal to mods or get "approved" by their friends.
Location Database Entries created by people who are still Level2, and have gone AWOL or banned will remain available to Level3 people. If they return at some point in the future, at Level 2, they will be able to see only their own locations, and they will be able to take them offline at their discretion.
Part E marks the end of the gradual-implementation system and the beginning of the fully-implemented Level system.
Nobody who'se worth their salt will be left behind.
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