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1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Trusted System (OLD) (Viewed 5119 times) Chronic  Very Noble Donor Location: Kitchener, ON Gender: Male Architecture has only two enemies. Water and stupid men.  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 80 on 3/12/2005 4:52 AM >   Trust is a strong word...like hate.... I had a Jewish friend who said to me once, how do you say "trust me" in Yiddish? I say, "I dont know?"...and he says "Fuck You!" 01:14:16] <Chronic> Conrad...ya gotta go.... [01:14:30] <nightbird> yes Mr. Black, life is funnier than a pocket full of stocks! And...Tim has legal friends in Chicago...we'll get thru this!!! MothMan  Noble Donor Location: The Gem City Gender: Male If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 81 on 3/12/2005 5:08 AM >   Just me speaking, but receiving a "trusted" status on this board means nothing to me. Neither am I much interested in bestowing "trust" on others. That's NOT what I'm here for. A real concern is being able to access previously created content in the LDB. You ought to ensure that prior creators/contributors to the LDB are granted access to the galleries they created or contributed to; no matter what level of trust they hold, or what level of trust they lose. Nobody on this board needs to use their time convincing me they trust me. But I should automatically be allowed to access the galleries I created or contributed content to. Posting a note like, "Wow, cool stairs dude!" does not count as a contribution. Adding some images to a gallery should count though. Again, work out your "trust me too" issues, but in so doing, don't lock out gallery creators in the process. The creator should always be able to access his/her creation. 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 82 on 3/12/2005 5:32 AM >   Posted by el nerdo From what you said, no, you are not 'trustworthy'. I have no problem with people who come on here, take info, and don't leave any in return not being labelled as 'trustworthy'. It's all about community. You want to be a part of it, you have to contribute to the community. I liken this to the old BBS's of the 80s and early 90s. In order to get download access, you needed to upload. Those worked incredibly well. If you want access to something, you have to give something in return. Whether that's contributing to the LDB, or contributing to the forums, or in some other way that the mods/admins deem worthy.... there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. Too many people come on here, search the LDB as a way to have exploring targets just handed to them, which really isn't exploring at all. It really all boils down to this: Give, and ye shall receive. What have you contributed? The LDB is mostly a comedy fest. but I don't remember any Nerdo posts; strange how that works edit: fixed quote tags [last edit 3/12/2005 5:41 AM by ednothing - edited 2 times] I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 83 on 3/12/2005 5:33 AM >   Posted by Chainsaw Grumble grumble...star belly sneeches...grumble grumble... It's your board. Do what you like. One note though, I'd like to remove the locations I have posted in the database before I lose my access to the database. I don't think it would be fair to keep database locations available for other members when the creator is not able to access them. Especially when they are in no position to determine who can or cannot see them. I'm not much for sucking admin dick, so I assume it will be a while before I get any kind of trusted status and I don't think it's appropriate for you to restrict *my* access to the content *I* provided because of it. So, you can either pull down the locations I have created and remove the content I contributed to other locations or I'll do it myself. Sounds like a plan to get rid of all us "undesirables" Chainsaw, doesn't it. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 84 on 3/12/2005 5:49 AM >   Av, Ninja, and all moderators, with all due respect, i think this idea sucks. I was going to donate to the cause, however, after reading the bit about granting access to those who are "trustworthy", and limiting the rest of us, well i'm not so sure i'll do it. I have two galleries in the LDB, and various forum entries. If these changes go into effect, i'll be denied access to my stuff. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. CCC   |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 85 on 3/12/2005 5:50 AM >   Just a note. If this system had been in place when I first found the site, I wouldn't be here now. I would have found nothing to interest me, and I wouldn't have registered. As it is, I was coming to the site for close to two years before I ever registered. [last edit 3/12/2005 6:24 AM by CCC - edited 2 times] greywolf45  Location: U.S.A. Gender: Male Resident UER pain in the ass  |  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 86 on 3/12/2005 6:11 AM >   Posted by Chronic Trust is a strong word...like hate.... I had a Jewish friend who said to me once, how do you say "trust me" in Yiddish? I say, "I dont know?"...and he says "Fuck You!" Chronic, i have told the same thing, only like this, how do you say "fuck you" in Yiddish? Trust me. According to the description of the new system, once you become "trusted" you have to do allot of ***kissing to keep it. I don't know if it's worth the effort anymore. I will not kiss anyone's ass. If they like me, fine. If they don't, well, that's something i can't do anything about. I do agree with you though, trust is a very strong word. And Chainsaw, your first comments on this issue are right on the money with me. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends" Martin Luther King Jr. el guapo  Location: phx, az Gender: Male  |  late to THIS party <Reply # 87 on 3/12/2005 6:17 AM >   where's the logic in limiting access to the LDB? i'm obviously missing something. if this had been in place when *i* first found the site, i'd simply have moved on. as it is, i like this place and would do whatever i needed to do to gain 'trusted' status so i could enjoy the site, but i have a bad feeling we will be denying future potential good UER's this chance mas cerveza, por favor Servo   |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 88 on 3/12/2005 6:28 AM >   Posted by TheRev What I would really be worried about is if just limited boards are open it might be hard to draw new people in. What I suggest is this: leave the boards up the way they are, or at least close to the way they are, but add an option for threads and DB entries to make them "private" so they are only open to trusted members. That way people who are just getting into it can read threads on "what's the best flashlight" and "dealing with asbestos," that kind of thing which isn't really sensitive, but helpful. But if someone wants to talk about lockpicking, or bypassing motion detectors, or infiltrating active sites; more risky things, they can make the thread only visible to people that can be trusted, not every joe on the street. Obviously this would apply to the LDB as well, some bombed out squatting ground that still has some interesting features could be public, while things like the Hearn, or the Florida Door (once it's finally revealed), and people's secret favorite places; would be open to trusted people. Just highlighting this idea because I think it's a good compromise, and it got somewhat lost in all the baseless moaning (e.g. "I'll have to kiss ass HYUCK") that's going on here at the moment. [last edit 3/12/2005 6:33 AM by Servo - edited 1 times] Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 89 on 3/12/2005 6:49 AM >   Ok, I'm just not seeing where everyone's getting the "ass-kissing" idea. It's not about how much ass you kiss or how many people you know, it's about being a contributing member of the community. If you've been around for a while, you've posted some stuff that sounds more intelligent than a rock, then you'll have no problem becoming trusted. If you never post anything, or have 50 posts that all sound like "OMFG i love teh tunnelzzz!" then you might have a problem getting trusted status. I see this as A: securing the forum slightly (although I still won't be posting anything I wouldn't want the FBI or a graf writer to know about), B: forcing lurkers to contribute if they want access to the DB and forums (I don't really care about the LDB, but it seems to be popular with people against this plan). and C: cutting the amount of crap posts and script-kiddie types who just turned 13 and found out about UE (sorry guys). Again, it's not going to be hard to get trusted status, even if you know nobody and don't have a history of exploration. That's why this can't keep out cops, anyone who has the patience to join UER for a week and take part in some intelligent discussions can get in. I do think that more than the "Other" forum needs to be open to give people a chance to interact more, but that's my only real objection to the current plan. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 nostra-YOUPPI!  Umpire Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 90 on 3/12/2005 7:04 AM >   i agree adding a little security will make some of us more willing to contribute, i do this hobby for some of the history and architecture involved and there are a lot of things i have that i wont place in the db for the reason its too open, ie maps and blueprints Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive TheRev  Location: Ohio Gender: Male We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson...  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 91 on 3/12/2005 7:15 AM >   It seems to me that most of the people complaining about how people are going to become "trusted" are basing it on speculation, while moderators, the people who will be able to confer and revoke status, are contintually saying that it won't be the way people think it's going to turn out, that access will be relatively easy to gain as long as you are mildly valuable to the community. Maybe some people shouldn't bitch so much until it's implemented and they can see how it's enacted. But then what do I know, I haven't been here too long and I'm a bit intoxicated at the moment. Jono  civilly disobedient.  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 92 on 3/12/2005 11:47 AM >   this is a great idea - however, i WILL miss sending LDB location-links to friends who are on UER but aren't active members... JonOpex. www.sacramentalperception.com : www.jonathancastellino.com west_end_chud  Location: West End, St. Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 93 on 3/12/2005 12:34 PM >   I am all in favor of the extra security, but will probably still refrain from posting certain sensitive locations to the LDB. A private invitation is still the best way to minimize traffic to sensitive sites by undesirables. Besides, if it doesn't work out we could all ways change it back. oCtAnE  Location: TORONTO, CANADA Gender: Male EXPLORER AT LARGE  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 94 on 3/12/2005 2:51 PM >   Posted by David E There will now be clans and cliques on this board that even more distrusting and secretive than before. If someone gets into an argument in RL with someone else, they 'unmark' the 'trust' and then that person is screwed. I tend to agree with this. From my perspective, I've noticed the following: A) The first level, "General Public" wouldn't have to be watched at all seeing as how they can't access anything of importance. The second level, "Most of Us" get more leeway, but no LDB? That's ridiculous, cause regular "untrusted" users wouldn't get to look at what they helped expand abd add to for the enjoyment of others. C) This whole setup favours the moderators, and benefits no one else. This whole new idea means less work and more power. Part of being a moderator/administrator is dealing with the shit that come along from running a website/forum and such. If this site was created as a resource for worldwide UEing, then why restrict it? That would be contradictory, and going in the wrong direction. Like David E said, this is all going to spawn cliques and groups that are going to start undermining all of what has been accomplished. This might end up being known as "The quick fix that brought down UER". I may be wrong, but then again, I may be right. I've been a part of a major forum that started restricting things, and favouring certain groups of people. You know what happened? he moderators became power hungry, did whatever the hell they wanted. Dissention happened, small groups plotted, there was a massive flame war, and most of the people left. Just now, emails have been sent by the administrator saying, "The forum is about to crumble, everyone come back...." I speak as an administrator of a website/forum, and a past moderator of a large forum that left because I stood up for the 'little guy' and didn't want to conform and be a part of the egotistical and power hungry "Elite Mods". Thanks to them, the website crumbled. Before anything gets instituted, THINK. -Octane FUELED BY OCTANE. statik  Location: colorado There has got to be more to life than just being really, really, really, ridiculously good-looking.  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 95 on 3/12/2005 3:03 PM >   Posted by el guapo where's the logic in limiting access to the LDB? i'm obviously missing something. if this had been in place when *i* first found the site, i'd simply have moved on. Ah, but you would've been able to get all manner of superfluous grappling hook info. I call "bad idea" on this one. I use the LDB and Regional boards almost exclusively, only because quality topics seldom get posted to the soon-to-be untrusted access forums. Watching people rail on endlessly about their MagLites wouldn't keep me around very long, and I would expect the same reaction from practically everyone else. And I must echo Chainsaw's concerns: limiting access to content we've provided isn't right, even if it's "only for a little while." I have no problems with the ideal, just the methodology. None more black.. SoupMeister  Location: Athens, Greece Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 96 on 3/12/2005 3:58 PM >   I'm all for multi-level accesses. They work well in general. Transitioning from one security model to another needs careful planning though. I think the 'web of trust' is an interesting addition, but it's bound to have some holes in there (but I bet most are easily fixed). For instance, how about us poor isolated location maintainers with no-one to vouch for us? Would level 2 imply I'd be locked out of my own contributed locations? Or would I have permissions to modify the locations I already have, but not to add new ones until I physically meet enough people to vouch for me (difficult, with my time schedule and lifestyle)? You could always, of course, have more than the two levels of trust you have now, and assign permissions between them. You could have 'soft' and 'hard' criteria for trust, for instance. I'm wondering if this is getting to complicated now. north  Location: Paris via Montreal via Ottawa Gender: Female  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 97 on 3/12/2005 4:08 PM >   i think it's a great idea, although it still needs some ironing out. i don't see how anyone who registers after this idea is implemented will be able to gain trusted status, though. i, and many of the other users i know, don't spend much time on the main forum because the threads that apply to us and through which we've made our 'reputations' as members are the regional ones. it may be difficult for new members to work their way up. it may be more work than its worth, but how about having two levels of regional boards/ldb, a 'public' and a 'private'? the poster/ldb creator could decide whether the site/thread is viewable by all users or level three users only. that way, sensitive sites/info would still be protected, and people who register afterwards and people who are concerned that they would not be marked trusted would still be able to make a contribution to their community, and gain trusted status. el nerdo  Chief UER Lackey Gender: Male What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?  |  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 98 on 3/12/2005 4:09 PM >   Posted by 'Dukes What have you contributed? The LDB is mostly a comedy fest. but I don't remember any Nerdo posts; strange how that works Who said that contributing to the LDB is the sole method of earning access? /rolls eyes I've contributed plenty.... I don't see a clock star in your profile. Nice attempt, though.... pathetic, but nice. Trixi  Location: Columbus, OH Gender: Female  |  Re: UER CHANGES -- ALL READ -- IMPORTANT <Reply # 99 on 3/12/2005 4:20 PM >   Posted by Avatar-X The main reason to do this is that I want UER to be a place where all members can feel safe posting information, without it being available to the net as a whole and without anyone who wants to being able to easily access it by spending 5 minutes signing up. Right now, even I fear posting some new locations cause the LDB is public. I want to feel safe on my own site. -av I haven't seen this mentioned yet but what about making UER a paid membership site? UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Trusted System (OLD) (Viewed 5119 times)  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 93 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 740781801 pages have been generated.