Posted by David Dong a fund for flowers for the family of the departed would probably be a better idea. |
Posted by David Dong So did we ever find out if this person was a member here. If so we should do something, a memorial sticky at the least, a fund for flowers for the family of the departed would probably be a better idea. |
Something a little more meaningful, please. |
Posted by David Dong Like? In all reality, what else can be done? We are spread all over the world. It is hard to do any more than that considering how spread out we all are. |
Posted by Mutt A memorial donation to a charity of your choice would be a better idea than trying to fund a funeral. If you would like to make a memorial donation to a charity on behalf of the deceased, please feel free to PM me and I will continue the process from there with you. Mutt, your resident moderator and Funeral Director |
Posted by MutantMandiasAnd even if you do all of that perfectly, there are still things that will happen that are beyond your control, and you may end up hurt, with some UER ass calling you a careless idiot. |
Posted by CopySix There is excessive brevity in media which dismiss this hobby as dangerous. Experienced explorers should at all times foster and encourage inveterate safety to new explorers. Contrariwise, new explorers are ill-served thinking that there is no great value in seeking advice of local expertise. . . my 2-cents. |
Posted by Air 33 Also, stressing the importance of speaking with locals is essential, but I'm sure the stigma of asking for information around here won't make that easy either. |
Posted by Roadwolf I think that if there is a safety hazard at a site, we should discuss it openly, even if it does give away enterence details, or other sensitive information. Sharing information about safety risks should be our top priority, not 'keeping the site open for us'. |
Posted by Roadwolf I think that if there is a safety hazard at a site, we should discuss it openly, even if it does give away enterence details, or other sensitive information. Sharing information about safety risks should be our top priority, not 'keeping the site open for us'. |
Posted by Samurai not to downplay or lessen the seriousness of this thread, there is one theme that keeps coming up in each one of your posts (which, for the most part, have been very well put) and that is the mantle of danger we each undertake when we enter a location. We are, honestly, attracted to this hobby by that danger, however minute it may be. In all fairness, what we do as a hobby cannot compare to others out there... spelunking, rafting, hiking, etc. However, that isn't to say that we don't have our own rules to contend with. I'm not talking about a trite argument over ethics, I'm talking about treating each location as if it were a danger room where you could be killed. For those of us who live in areas with industrial ruins, catwalks and stairways decay, floors can crack from frost spalling the concrete, railings can fail, objects can fall from above... i see many pictures in the galleries where my fellow travelers aren't wearing helmets. I'm not a safety nazi by any stretch of the imagination, but a hardhat has saved my melon on many occasions, and that was in a functioning mill with safety precautions! I think that this guys' death, as tragic as it was, could be used as a learning experience for us all. Kowalski may differ with me on this point and I welcome his argument, but when this comes down to brass tacks, we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age. We're not explorers, we're not historians, we're not archeologists or sociologists. I think we're tourists with a slightly different tour guide. Does this mean we should all wear harnesses and lifelines, or where helmets and big nasty boots? No. Just use your head for something other than ballast. We have a common rule where I work. Trust nothing. We don't trust the chemical alarms, railings catwalks, valves, piping. We treat everything as if it could burst or break at any second. Maybe that's being paranoid, but having it applied towards our hobby might not be a bad idea. I probably lost my point in here somewhere... i just was trying to say something that I felt. |
Posted by Samurai we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age. |
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