Posted by cyn1c4l Unfortunately, this incident only firmly cements in the minds of security and property managers the "dangers of UE". When those of us who have been escorted off a site (any site), which most of the old timers here have at one point or another, everyone cites the "Well, if you get hurt we're liable" belief. I'm curious to see what the repercussions of this incident are. |
If we see a law suit (successful or not) from the family of this fallen person against OPG, or whoever, we will be shit out of luck and jolly well fucked, because every site worth mentioning will go on mega-lockdown. |
Whether Hearn should have been safer or not is not in question, as the damage has already been done. |
Posted by kowalski If there are dangers, maybe we should start acting like adults and stop pretending they don't exist? |
Posted by yokes I didn't realize that "we" were doing otherwise. |
Posted by TRAINS Axle, did you get paid for that article? Half of it is just your quotations. Good journalism for sure. |
The article also seems to imply that Ninj perished in a exploration-related accident (as no other explanation is given and the article is based on an explorer's death). It's amazing the slant that journalists put on stories, no matter the content. |
Asked how he reconciles the need to trespass to get into such sites, he said, "I don't go in with the intent to damage the property. I don't break into a building; I look for an open door, I look for a hole in the wall, an open window, something that I can just walk in. If I can't get in without walking in, I walk away. |
Urban exploration, which can involve trespassing and breaking and entering, is a fringe activity that has gained popularity in recent years, especially among photographers intrigued by the decay of the built environment. |
Posted by micro If anyone asks me about the hazards of urban exploration, I'll tell them I find that the "outside world" far more dangerous than anything I've encountered in areas that are considered off-limits. It's what I believe and to suggest otherwise would just be playing into a stereotype that I feel works against us in the long run. |
Posted by micro "I am fully trained in first aid and carry a kit with me, and have had to use it on a couple of occasions," he said, adding that he once treated another hobbyist who injured himself punching through glass." |
Posted by Axle Same article yes. I never mentioned that the kid I mentioned was another explorer. |
Posted by micro It's not bad journalism. I tend to prefer ones that are written that way. Would you rather have had him write an article where he starts paraphrasing quotes or interjects his own opinions into things? |
I think that's a bit of a stretch. Besides, for every journalist who talks about the risks of urban exploration, there are probably hundreds of explorers out there who'll happily tell people how dangerous their hobby is. Ditto for the illegal aspects of what we do. How many websites out there have you seen with cheesy disclaimers warning people about either of these things? And yet a lot of people cry foul whenever a journalist happens to mention them. Suddenly it becomes "slant." If you don't want things to be sensationalized in the media, then stop sensationalizing it yourself. It's as simple as that. It's what I believe and to suggest otherwise would just be playing into a stereotype that I feel works against us in the long run. |
If anyone asks me about the hazards of urban exploration, I'll tell them I find that the "outside world" far more dangerous than anything I've encountered in areas that are considered off-limits. |
Posted by Samurai i think in many ways, we underestimate the areas we routinely wander through. Many of these environs have been open to the elements for decades, or have been seriously weakened through continuing stages of demolition. It's a very serious concern for myself and the group of people that I go with here in the northeast. Even on the catwalks where I work, an active plant!, the railings/catwalks have failed and almost sent me plummeting 100+ feet to my doom. My point is that you can never been too careful and to me it sounds like this guy just got caught out somehow. |
Posted by cyn1c4l I am not saying "OMG! Lawsuits galore!", rather, I'm posing an interesting question as to what will be the likely outcome of this incident as it relates to the Toronto/GTA UE'ing scene. I'm not going to engage in a battle of semantics, because I don't care to. I'm simply stating that as explorers, we now have a new hurdle when dealing with security/police revolving around UE'ing. It's no longer a simple "beat it kid" attitude. |
Posted by kowalski and the media is still busy focusing on the double murder of two ostensibly upstanding white kids in their SUV. |
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