Posted by Air 33 This is a great idea. There should be a specific thread about this (not the accident specifically) that all new people should be forced to read. Everyone throws about abstract concepts like 'luck', 'common sense' and whatnot and I think certain things should be outlined. |
Posted by micro Or we could go all Blackhawk on people and point out every.single.fucking.thing.that.could.go.wrong, but I think new people are generally nervous enough when exploring. We don't need to strike more fear into their virgin urbex hearts. Of course, if we're talking about specific locations (or specialized activities, like draining) then it's an entirely different story. I could tell people exactly what they should watch out for or how to get around certain things based on what I'm familiar with. In terms of general exploring safety though, I think safety will always have to be a bit more abstract because the types of hazards change so much from location to location. |
Posted by micro Edit: And besides, given that a recent Toronto meet involved a group of 15+ being led through Hearn, I have to question just how much collective wisdom there is around here to begin with. |
Posted by Air 33 -Don't walk across floors without taking of notice of what your stepping on. Take a look around and try to walk over supports. -Don't explore at night, even if you have a light in a building like the malt. -Don't ever explore by yourself regardless of location. -Explore with people who respect your limits, who don't try to force you do things your not comfortable with. -Always let someone know where you went. -Carry a phone. -These places should be treated respectfully, and in the manner that they are unsafe, rather then safe. -Don't go when intoxicated. |
Posted by KONG Axle was there. He's fully trained in first aid and carried a first aid kit. Everybody was safe. |
Posted by micro Edit: And besides, given that a recent Toronto meet involved a group of 15+ being led through Hearn, I have to question just how much collective wisdom there is around here to begin with. |
Posted by Air 33 I've also heard people's concerns from the opposite end of the table, they do view explorers as know-it-alls who are a liability. While sneaking around and getting past barriers is part of the rush, I have to think that locations that were a bit more difficult to get into kept away less experienced people, and there were no accidents. Think Toronto Power Company, and places out-of-the-way such as Camp Burwash. |
Posted by Boffo Why are you guys shitting on the meets? You don't even go to them. Yes we've taken large groups of people to Hearn (usually once or twice a year), has anyone been injured? Nope. How it's done: break a large group into smaller groups of about 5 people. Walk inside a few minutes apart. You rarely even see the other groups as you explore the place its that big. Obviously seasoned explorers lead the way. God if memory serves we did an 8 man Lower Bay run before, if we wanna talk about being unsafe. Now that is unsafe. I have my doubts this will change anything, it's nice to think it will. But it sounds more like you guys shouting from a high horse at all them inebriated, solo, night explorers who don't give a rats ass. |
Posted by Boffo Heaven forbid we actually explore anything on a regular basis. That would be totally out of character. |
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