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trynocorn \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 20 on 10/25/2003 6:48 AM >

	eeh...dogs eh...I hate dogs...they're so loud... I live in Canada so pepper spray is illegal here...but I did find a certain brand of pepper spray that's labeled under 'dog repellant' and is therefore legal. It works on humans too, but particularly well on dogs...it causes temporairy blindness and it'll send them yapping back to their master. No long term effects of course, the puppy will be fine, but it'll give you plenty of time to get away.

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 21 on 10/25/2003 6:50 AM >

Posted by Kimmo
Don't know about North-America, but you should at least check first what your law says about these dogs.

I forgot about that, I think in the U.S. they treat them almost the same as police officers. So if you were to attack ir injure one, they might call in a "officer down", and this will not lead to a very fun experiance.

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NoSuchPerson Stop, or I'll ask you again! \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 22 on 10/25/2003 7:01 AM >

	Naw, I don't mean police dogs or anything like that, I mean more like, private dogs. There's a company here in Toronto called Guard Dog Security that uses their own dogs. If one of those suckers was coming after me...heh... I'd probably be inclined to do whatever I could (I always carry OC spray on me). If it was a PDS or something, I wouldn't do that, cause yes, the handlers (cop) takes them home all the time, and the dog is very much a part of the family, so it would have serious negative side-effects -Ex Unit calling radio say again?

DarkTreader Gender: Male \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 23 on 10/25/2003 8:14 AM >

	Yeah, along the lines of them beating you to a bloody pulp for trying to whack one of their dogs, and then after that, they'd let the dog tear into you. It wouldn't be pretty. Kinda like what you do to the guy who's raped your best friend's sister or somethin. footsteps light, flashlights bright -~ DT Losers go home... winners go home and fuck the prom queen

Servo \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 24 on 10/26/2003 4:14 AM >

	Well, police dog or not, if it's aiming to do me harm you'd better believe I am not going to sit there and let it tear me to shreds. I will defend myself. However, I was under the impression that with police dogs, the less you struggle, the less they hurt you -- their primary goal is to bring you down so an officer can cuff you, not just "fuck you up bad" like a non-police guard dog (whose only training is to have been made extra mean).

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 25 on 10/26/2003 6:27 AM >

Posted by Servo
However, I was under the impression that with police dogs, the less you struggle, the less they hurt you -- their primary goal is to bring you down so an officer can cuff you, not just "fuck you up bad" like a non-police guard dog (whose only training is to have been made extra mean).

The trick here is, that at least when training a dog to attack a human being, a well trained dog, will release you when you don't move at all. This is also a criteria for evaluation in competitions. The dog has failed, if it doesn't release the target man when he doesn't move. When the target man starts moving again, the dog will attack again.

I've often thought about this, that would I have the nerves to stand still if a police dog would charge towards me?

Probably not, the natural instinct of running would probably come to my mind...

Maverick44 \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 26 on 10/26/2003 11:26 PM >

	I just have to ask: Do you guys really think that it´s decent to hurt police / guard dog while UE? I believe that under any circumstances, you should never hurt them. If you get attacked by police or guard dog, you most likely deserve it! Like Kimmo said, at least in here police officers always shout out warning that if you don´t come out they will release a dog into the area.

Servo \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 27 on 10/27/2003 1:27 AM >

	I don't think it's decent to hurt them by using cayenne pepper, spray, etc. However, if I'm being attacked and hurt, I have no intent of just sitting there and taking it. Again though, I don't think that police dogs will seriously hurt you (they'll grab your arm, but my own dogs have done that before, so...) unless you struggle or try to hurt them. Above all, it's probably just best to avoid ever getting in a situation like this.

spoongy location: Myrtle Beach, SC Gender: Male goodby cruel world \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 28 on 11/29/2003 7:49 PM >

	Have you guys ever heard of air tasers? They are like stun guns but they have twin spikes that launch off, and shock the target into submission. Anyway thats what I preffer to use, it generally works, but the pigs'll come after you if the dog yelps when you shock him( they dont normally yelp when you do this, though). [last edit 11/29/2003 7:50 PM by spoongy - edited 1 times] wow look at that monkey run!

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 29 on 11/29/2003 8:07 PM >

Posted by spoongy
Have you guys ever heard of air tasers? They are like stun guns but they have twin spikes that launch off, and shock the target into submission. Anyway thats what I preffer to use, it generally works, but the pigs'll come after you if the dog yelps when you shock him( they dont normally yelp when you do this, though).

How do you know they are effecive against dogs? Have you tried this? Couldnt this hurt the dog? Would this be the same as attacking an officer? I think so.

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 30 on 11/29/2003 8:16 PM >

You're a fucking idiot.

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spoongy location: Myrtle Beach, SC Gender: Male goodby cruel world \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 31 on 11/29/2003 8:16 PM >

	I've only done it twice, the gun will always knock em out most of the time. Normally if you have the thing set on low voltage it wont cause any major harm. I also normally carry this gun with me in case the building is occupied by hobos. p.s. out of the 2 times the gun was used on a dog, once was on a police dog, the swecond on a wild dog that was roaming an area. [last edit 11/29/2003 8:21 PM by spoongy - edited 1 times] wow look at that monkey run!

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 32 on 11/29/2003 8:24 PM >

Posted by spoongy
p.s. out of the 2 times the gun was used on a dog, once was on a police dog, the swecond on a wild dog that was roaming an area.

So one time you used it on an officer's dog for whatever reason, and the second you used it on dog that just happened to be wandering around when you decided that what it needed in its life was an electrical shock.

You suck.

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 33 on 11/29/2003 8:29 PM >

Posted by spoongy
I've only done it twice, the gun will always knock em out most of the time. Normally if you have the thing set on low voltage it wont cause any major harm. I also normally carry this gun with me in case the building is occupied by hobos.
p.s. out of the 2 times the gun was used on a dog, once was on a police dog, the swecond on a wild dog that was roaming an area.

Do you plan on tasering any hobos that come up to you? They are people you know, if you intrude on someone's living space, and they are defensive about it, and then you taser them, you are an asshole.

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spoongy location: Myrtle Beach, SC Gender: Male goodby cruel world \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 34 on 11/29/2003 8:32 PM >

	Okay, its my fault for not describing the event, or my morals on the situation. I was exploring a local abandoned paper mill, and when i entered the office complex, a wild dog came out from behind a toppled file cabinet, and began growling, and baring its teeth. I am in no way an animal abuser. By the way, the police dog I shocked was about to take off my hand. macsbug: no not any hobo that just comes up to me. I would only taser him if he threatened my life. I'm an UE not a heartless, shockhappy sadist. [last edit 11/29/2003 8:36 PM by spoongy - edited 1 times] wow look at that monkey run!

Asylunt location: MPLS Gender: Male The Friendly Beer! \| \| \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 35 on 11/29/2003 11:48 PM >

	Yeah, I don't know if I would have the heart to zap a stray dog unless he had rabies and was coming after me, not just growling. And zapping the police dog, well if I was in that situation, I guess I would think about zapping it, I mean I'm not gonna lie, if it was coming at me with the intent to attack and I had a non-lethal way of knocking it out, my self-protection mode would kick in, but i would only zap it if i knew I could escape the cops, as to not get into more trouble. Are you sure the dogs recovered from this, these things are made to take down a human, the dose might be lethal for dogs. As for violent bums, I'd zap the hell outta them, hell I'd like to zap the hell out of annoying beggers on the street, but I'm just an asshole like that. Also, my understanding of tasers is that they fire two prongs connected to small gauge wire, do you have to retrieve these prongs from the victim or do they just disconnect and then you replace them? Asylunt "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." Mark Twain

Caenos location: Winnipeg, Mb Gender: Male \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 36 on 11/30/2003 3:59 AM >

	BTW, for those of you in Canada, your local RCMP region HQ will have its own ERT (Emergency Responce Team), which is called in on any situation where police have to conduct an extended search for a likely armed suspect (which is one example... Their basically a SWAT team), These ERT units are complete with their own Canine units, specially trained. I had a chance to talk with a while with the Winnipeg ERT and some of the animal handlers... IF you are ever in a situation where one of these dogs is in the area, and you are to make any sudden movement, especially any movement in anger, or that bears any resembalance to pulling out a weapon, the dog WILL attack with lethal force. The dogs are trained not to go after a limb, because of risk of them being stabbed or shot at close range. The dogs WILL go for the neck. These dogs are extremely well trained, sought after by US police and federal agencies. And by the way... you so much as aim a weapon (such as pepper spray, or an air tazer) and the handling officer will open fire (Wepeapon of choice for Winnipeg ERT members: 5.56mm C-7 Assault Rifle) These dogs don't even wear vests, because they slow them down too much. They can follow a trail nonstop for hours at a full sprint, with or without their handling officer. Bottom line, if you are ever in a situation where you MIGHT be in the vincinity of one of these dogs, Give yourself up... I wonder whats behind THAT door?

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Re: Guard Dogs?
<Reply # 37 on 12/1/2003 12:08 AM >

Posted by Asylunt
Yeah, I don't know if I would have the heart to zap a stray dog unless he had rabies and was coming after me, not just growling. And zapping the police dog, well if I was in that situation, I guess I would think about zapping it, I mean I'm not gonna lie, if it was coming at me with the intent to attack and I had a non-lethal way of knocking it out, my self-protection mode would kick in, but i would only zap it if i knew I could escape the cops, as to not get into more trouble. Are you sure the dogs recovered from this, these things are made to take down a human, the dose might be lethal for dogs. As for violent bums, I'd zap the hell outta them, hell I'd like to zap the hell out of annoying beggers on the street, but I'm just an asshole like that.

Also, my understanding of tasers is that they fire two prongs connected to small gauge wire, do you have to retrieve these prongs from the victim or do they just disconnect and then you replace them?

Asylunt

On some models the prongs will come back automatically, but on mine i have to yank em' out, and wind the cord back. As for the dogs safety, my model has a knob to control power flow. when I zapped the dogs (on both counts) the taser was set to low power.

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Kimmo Noble Donor \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 38 on 12/1/2003 2:44 PM >

	Just a reminder, that many people don't think when it comes to police dogs. If you zap a police dog with whatever device, you are wasting your tax money, as it's highly doubtful that the dog will work ever again, as that kind of trauma on dog, usually leaves it a bit reserved towards people. So they need to train another dog. And who pays it? You...

Downtown D-Low Brown location: The Ill Noize. Gender: Male The game is the game. \| \|	Re: Guard Dogs? <Reply # 39 on 12/1/2003 4:10 PM >

	Besides it being stupid, you could be in for some serious trouble if you harm or kill the dog: http://www.animallaw.info/statuts/stusmi750_50c.htm Search there for references to cruelty to police dogs and the penalties, or under Google. Word of advice: don't do it. What were you doing to draw the attention of a police dog anyway? They don't just pop out of the air for no reason... ~D [last edit 12/1/2003 4:18 PM by Downtown D-Low Brown - edited 2 times] The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.

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