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RadEd
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< on 10/24/2003 9:34 AM >
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Do any of you take any special precautions or have interesting stories?
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Snarg
  
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<Reply # 1 on 10/24/2003 9:45 AM >
|  | | | Posted by RadEd
Do any of you take any special precautions...
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I always try to pet the 'pretty little puppies!'
Seriously, no matter what the movies show, stay away from them.
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Macsbug
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<Reply # 2 on 10/24/2003 1:33 PM >
| | | | I think Jester or Ninj talked before about how they would double back on their path, and leave another way, so to add the possiblility of confusing dogs with multiple paths.
You really dont want to mess with guard dogs, they are huge, and will fuck you up.
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Jester
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Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 3 on 10/24/2003 1:39 PM >
|  | | | Well, in my experience with Police dogs, I've found that not doubling back was beneficial, so they had to follow my scent all through the building. Doubling back may seem like a good way to confuse them, but it's actually a good way to end up walking right into them if they are following your trail already...
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RevSM
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<Reply # 4 on 10/24/2003 2:36 PM >
| | | | How do you guys feel about Benadryl laced doggie treats? Never tried it but I wouldn't want to kill them if it would.
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Kimmo
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<Reply # 5 on 10/24/2003 3:39 PM >
| | | | I've trained my dog in following a scent (I don't know how it's called properly in English, but you get the idea) and all through my life I've been watching different competitions, because my father used to compete with his dog.
I must say that there isn't a reliable way to confuse the dog. The only way of at least trying to remove your scent, is to add to the place even something stronger scent. That would confuse the trail you leave and the scent that you emit.
But if you are still hiding in the place and not left the area, it doesn't matter even if the dog doesn't smell you.
All of the police and military dogs at least here have been trained to follow the scent and also to search persons even without a scent.
What I've been observing these competitions, the dog will make a zig-zag pattern in a defined area and the purpose is to find items or a person from that area. The dog doesn't need to smell you straight a way, but while doing this zig-zag pattern, it will eventually pick you up and start heading that way, still making the pattern, just to be sure of the direction. And this kind of searching is impossible to confuse, if the dog has been trained properly.
Like Snarg said, forget about evading dogs...
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Jester
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Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 6 on 10/24/2003 3:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Kimmo
Like Snarg said, forget about evading dogs...
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That's not entirely true.
http://www.wraiths.org/woodlands_iv.htm
But, my method is for when it's inside a building that the dogs are in use. They do this regularly at Woodlands Psyche here, and have caught a good number of dumb asses in the buildings. I can just imagine the feeling of walking into some growling police dogs in the tunnels there...
As for outdoors, it's a whole different ballgame. I'd prefer not to be in that situation...
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Kimmo
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<Reply # 7 on 10/24/2003 4:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by Kimmo
Like Snarg said, forget about evading dogs...
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On that mission, I doubt that the security (police?) wasn't sure if there was somebody inside. If they would have been sure, they would have just yelled, that we have a dog and we are unleashing it now. That's what they do at least in this country, when they are sure of somebody being inside.
After that the dog would have either started doing it's search routine or just follow the scent that's coming from you.
In anycase, all of the places have many scents and the dog cannot be always sure that what it's following. Abandoned building containing God knows how many different smells for the dog.
Still we have dogs that will smell a dead person in the bottom of a lake and dogs that find people deep under the rubble, in earthquake areas.
You exited the building quickly and that was a good thing. But if you start hiding...well...
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Jester
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Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 8 on 10/24/2003 4:28 PM >
| | | | Actually, from speaking to the security and the people that have been caught at that site, the police have not announced themselves in anyway. They put the protective booties on the dogs and set them off in the building without warning. I was lucky I was near a window at the end of the building they came in at, otherwise I would not have known until it was too late...
The dogs can't do the same zig zag search in a building, they have to follow the same path we do (hallway, stairs, hallway, stairs, etc...). I would never try to hide from a dog, because if you wait long enough, eventually they will find you. If I had doubled back upon my path in that place, I would most likely have run face to face with the dogs and then the big mean officer...
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Macsbug
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<Reply # 9 on 10/24/2003 6:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
If I had doubled back upon my path in that place, I would most likely have run face to face with the dogs and then the big mean officer...
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I think I worded what I said before poorley. I did not mean follow your trail back, but to cross over where you went before once or more, so that the dog has scents going different ways, and will take linger to get to you. In the end, if you are still around, the dog will get to you.
If you know dogs are coming, I would try to get to higher ground. The cops will still find you, but it might save you a trip to the ER.
[last edit 10/24/2003 6:36 PM by Macsbug - edited 1 times]
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DarkTreader
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<Reply # 10 on 10/24/2003 7:14 PM >
| | | | One thing that, no matter what a dog does or how trained they are, will fuck up their sense of smell... a dash of cayenne pepper over your path. If they're sniffing with their noses to the floor and are coming after you an happen to run into that... that puppy's gonna be screechin for a while, 'cuz you just gave one of his most powerful senses an overload.
Hell, if it worked for escaping slaves in the south, it'll probably still work now. The best way to avoid the things would be to not go there in the first place though.
footsteps light, flashlights bright
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RevSM
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<Reply # 11 on 10/24/2003 7:24 PM >
| | | | Hmm... I would say maybe that’s something to add to the equipment back but I can imagine:
Cop without dog that caught you anyways: "What's this?"
You: "Uh... I like to cook?"
Couldn't do anything to you for having cayenne pepper but it would be funny.
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Jester
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Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 12 on 10/24/2003 7:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by macsbug
I think I worded what I said before poorley. I did not mean follow your trail back, but to cross over where you went before once or more, so that the dog has scents going different ways, and will take linger to get to you. In the end, if you are still around, the dog will get to you.
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In a lot of buildings, crossing your path is not easy. the building I was in for instance, had (it was demolished the following week) stairs at each end only, so I could go end to end in the hall and up or down. I understand your criss cross idea, but in a lot of indoor locales it won't help. Outdoors or in buildings with a lot of interconnected hallways, it could be viable, but I thinkI'll still stick with my one path only, so I reduce the chance of running into the puppies head on...
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Macsbug
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<Reply # 13 on 10/24/2003 7:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by DarkTreader
One thing that, no matter what a dog does or how trained they are, will fuck up their sense of smell... a dash of cayenne pepper over your path.
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I had considered that before, but to a greater extent. I was thinking it would allow for a good getaway if cops storm your house. You coat a dry frying pan in cayenne, and put it on high heat, it would keep away both man and dog.
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Krenta
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Saint Paul, MN
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<Reply # 14 on 10/24/2003 7:55 PM >
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I really hope to never encounter a guard dog / tracking dog / police dog. They're just bad news. To me, they're really not worth messing with.
As far as masking your scent... Any hunting/sporting goods store that has stuff for trapping should have bottles of trapping lure... The muskrat ones are the strongest, IIRC - made from rotting meat. Absolutely foul smelling. There are ones made from other stuff, for other animals - coyote urine, for instance, or various blends of musk, urine, feces, blood, meat, and whatever else. It's like deer-hunting lures, but stronger (and nastier). Might be worth a try; there's a chance the dog will be repulsed by it, or want to roll in it, or just not be able to smell you through it.
If you can't find that, go to your local asian grocery store and get a little tub of shrimp paste - sometimes marked "instant shrimp paste" or "sour shrimp paste". It's usually in a plastic tub that's completely shrink-wrapped, top to bottom... and it's one of the most pungent foodstuffs I've ever encountered.
Fun to cook with, though.
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NoSuchPerson
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<Reply # 15 on 10/25/2003 2:40 AM >
| | | | It's nothing a healthy dose of bear-repellant or a decent sized baseball bat can't fix.
Now before all you animal lovers attack me - I know! I'd never hurt another living thing, but if some dog is coming after me, with the idea of taking a chunk out of me, you'd best believe I'm gunna incapacitate it however I can.
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outage
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Melbourne, Australia
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<Reply # 16 on 10/25/2003 4:52 AM >
| | | | FWIW, doping the dogs with tranqualiser-laced treats probably wouldn't work as guard dogs are trained not to accept food from strangers, and I presume this extends to food that mysteriously drops in their path.
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DarkTreader
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 10/25/2003 5:49 AM >
| | | | If you're gonna trank something like that, you use an air gun from 100 ft. You don't get close enough to the dog for that to happen. I mean, hell... that's like walking up to a CHUD offering it a flashlight. Just not gonna work well in your favor.
footsteps light, flashlights bright
-~ DT
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Macsbug
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<Reply # 18 on 10/25/2003 6:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
if some dog is coming after me, with the idea of taking a chunk out of me, you'd best believe I'm gunna incapacitate it however I can.
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If you do that you should be prepared to get the shit beat out of you. The K9 officers who train the dogs, and odds are, have been working with them for years, will not be happy, and will probebly pass on their anger towards you.
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Kimmo
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<Reply # 19 on 10/25/2003 6:41 AM >
| | | | Seriously, if you are going to hurt a police or a military dog, be prepared to go to the court if they catch you.
Here, the law handles police and military dogs, almost as a civil servants and the punishment for killing or hurting these dogs, isn't comparable to a killing or hurting your neighbours dog, it's much more severe.
Don't know about North-America, but you should at least check first what your law says about these dogs.
[last edit 10/25/2003 6:42 AM by Kimmo - edited 2 times]
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