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Location: Anoka, Minnesota / West Midlands, UK
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 40 on 10/3/2009 7:04 AM >
|  | | | Posted by ThatguyinMN
BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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Let me know how it goes when you happen across the guys in Ghillies.
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ToXiC
   
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 41 on 10/3/2009 8:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by ThatguyinMN
Nah it just slipped out and I shouldn't have typed when we might be going but anyways, me and tcaap went in today. Also I wasn't responding to you junkyard because you're actually from near the area and a veteran and would know about this place a little. It was just funny that people out of state or people who have no info on tcaap were commenting on security and dogs (ha!) and just generally armchair quarterbacking when they really have no idea about this place. Not trying to forum fight though just having a good time and mostly joking around so please don't take me seriously and getting to the point... TCAAP is totally fucking awesome and totally fucking doable. Its seriously a ghost town and if you do your research you'll easily find that the guard rarely uses it and that there is no ammunition left, trust me. Not trying to start a rush on tcaap either just wanted to let people who care know that this place is awesome and to check it out before its gone. We went in practically every main building(and climbed the water tower) and guarantee that there is only one building being used in the main area, a water treatment plant that is run by a contractor not "national guardsmen with dogs". And we saw the guy drive away at 4:30 in a plain white city looking truck. That water treatment plant is a sign that this place will be gone soon, and turned into a park. The only reason it isn't now is because of soil contamination. I will post some pics tom. to give everybody a look. All arguing aside(sorry) this place was seriously memorable and one of the most unique places in MSP no doubt, oh yeah no tunnels found so far but we're pretty sure we found a way in an underground bunker deep in the woods, high up in the hills...pics tomorrow. Should I start a separate thread or post here? Thanks
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It will be around for a bit longer than you think.
They dont have funds to convert it to what they (the city) want to do to it.
Plus the developer backed out.
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TCAAP
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 42 on 10/3/2009 1:14 PM >
|  | | | TCAAP is totally fucking awesome and totally fucking doable. Quote from ThatguyinMn (why is there no box??)
I thought you were talking about me at first......
Anyways, this forum is for people who are interested in urban exploring. So shouldn't we discuss urban exploring? Maybe a place to go urban exploring? Maybe what we found out during urban exploring? I think you get the point.
The area is a cool place to visit, make sure to add it to your list.
[last edit 10/3/2009 1:15 PM by TCAAP - edited 1 times]
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ThatguyinMN
Location: Blaine,MN
Gender: Male
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 43 on 10/4/2009 4:23 AM >
| | | | Don't worry Mr. TCAAP,
I was talking about you and the site. Maybe I'll just call you tea-cap from now on to avoid further confusion. Anyways here are some pics. This place was real cool but mostly cleaned out. However there was still a moderate amount of old paper work and cool signs and stuff. All the old buildings are massive and have tons of cool little areas and lots of moss and plants that look pretty cool. Most buildings are well lit because of all the glass. It was a pretty easy entrance, exploration and exit, we had square miles all to ourselves.
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whistlebait
 
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| |  | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 44 on 10/4/2009 5:12 AM >
| | | | Zee whole WORLD knows now. Look at the size of that billboard.
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[23]
Location: Anoka, Minnesota / West Midlands, UK
Gender: Female
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 45 on 10/4/2009 1:19 PM >
| | | | Thats pretty ballsy, posting your face, on a public form, in federal property.
HIGH FIVE
Shit son... I don't even need to have an account to see that. Neither does any one else for that matter
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TCAAP
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 46 on 10/4/2009 2:00 PM >
| | | | Oh shit, he got a picture of my shoe in there too. I'm screwed now.
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ThatguyinMN
Location: Blaine,MN
Gender: Male
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 47 on 10/4/2009 3:54 PM >
| | | | I'm done with this fucking forum. Majority of people here are armchair quarterbacks or blowhards or both with a little asshole mixed in. Everybody knows everything huh. Also that face shot is so fucking blurry nobody could ever recognize me. What exactly is the point of this site then, to add smarmy fucking comments to threads were people are trying to talk about exploring. To act arrogant to people who haven't been here that long. To keep all the cool shit you see to yourself and then post vague descriptions about what or where you may have been. Or to just try to start bullshit arguments like every other fucking forum around. I thought this place was cool at first but I now realize that it's no different than every other forum. And to all those people who said to beware of "ghille suits, dogs ,unconventional security, explosive bunkers, roaming ambush squads of armed guardsmen I say FEH! Lots of people here are clearly living some type of paranoid fantasy where they are some type of secret agent spy always wanted by the gov't who watches there every move and everything they type on exploring websites. I came to this site to share some stuff and talk about exploring plans and trade ideas, but this thread has revealed the true nature of a lot of people in this forum. I've never heard from a bigger bunch of paranoid, rumor spreading, narcissistic, wusses who just want to hate on something for there own egotistic reasons. News flash: A mob of people are not going to rush into the TCAAP just because of my small postings, neither are secret agents going to track me down because of some blurry shots on a internet site and just like I knew it would be(from careful research and obvious clues) the majority of TCAAP was fucking abandoned and it was a relatively easy UE. But thank you to everybody for: rumor milling, hating, mocking me, and practically hoping for my capture. I say fuck you to the people of this thread (23, whistle bait, that dude from Ohio and a few others) I will not post or browse this site again. I am sure that please some people immensely. Enjoy your armchair quarterbacking and risk aversions and have a nice boring cock blocking filled day.
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TCAAP
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 48 on 10/5/2009 2:45 AM >
| | | | Damnit that guy, you beat me to it. Let me just say how much I agree with thatguy, you are all extremely lame. The point of this website isn't to discourage others from going exploring, but to share what we're finding out and get people excited. I feel depressed after I read all the warnings and cautions you are telling us. It's illegal?? No shit! We can get caught? What the hell! Get some balls and go exploring yourselves.
If anyone lives in the twin cities area and wants to meet up to do some exploring, PM me because I will no longer be logging onto this webpage.
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seicer
 
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 49 on 10/5/2009 3:17 AM >
| | | | Out of curiosity, when was this plant built? Many of the buildings from the photos seem to be of the Vietnam War-era. The World War II-era facilities featured red brick.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 50 on 10/5/2009 3:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by seicer
Out of curiosity, when was this plant built? Many of the buildings from the photos seem to be of the Vietnam War-era. The World War II-era facilities featured red brick.
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It was built starting in '41, but was "inactivated" several times during inter-war eras, usually followed by "modernization" to suit whatever it was the plant was going to be doing that decade. As far as I recall, the last "modernization" was in the middle of the vietnam era, so it's not really a surprise that the architecture reflects that time period.
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 51 on 10/5/2009 3:55 AM >
| | | | Okay, thanks for that. The plant I'm most familiar with (I've posted about it here under the Indiana Army guise) was finished in WWII with all brick construction, but apparently expanded during the Vietnam War era since there were concrete building additions. It looks like too much has been demolished at Arden Hills to really make more than a calculated guess as to where many of the other buildings were at.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 52 on 10/5/2009 4:26 AM >
| | | | There's another WWII-era ordinance facility in the area that was never modernized, and which is mainly built from cast concrete. Or, rather, I should say that the bits which survive are mainly built from cast concrete, but it's dangerous to make assumptions based on that sort of data. (i.e. all the quonset huts and wood-framed structures are long gone...) Still, I suspect there was a great degree of variation in building styles around the country, caused by a combination of climatic and economic factors, and local availability of raw materials.
As far as knowing where the buildings at Arden Hills used to be, I'm fairly sure that a map and aerial photos from 1943-1944 survive in the USAF "Air Objective Folder" for Minnesota from WWII. Trainee bomber crews honed their skills up in North Dakota (and elsewhere, of course), and part of the training involved flying simulated bombing raids on domestic industrial targets. For pilots in North Dakota, the Twin Cities were the most popular choice of target - and while I know the St Paul stockyards and the Minneapolis milling district were among the targets, I'm also pretty sure the TCAAP was a "target", as well.
(I have a copy of the AOF, on 16mm microfilm somewhere around here. I really need to get over to the University and scan them one of these years.)
I assume that similar training programs probably continued past WWII, but the AF seems to not disclose the details very readily, and perhaps for good reason - just imagine the fringe crazies who'd be all "OMG, OMG, the government is practicing dry-runs for nuking American cities with B-52s, OMG!!!1111!!11" and stuff. (Like, you know, Canada is going to let us fly strategic bombers over Winnipeg or Alberta or Toronto and pretend to bomb them back into the stone age, right?)
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 53 on 10/5/2009 5:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by ThatguyinMNBlah blah blah
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Here goes...
A: If you've been on UER more than 5 minutes, you notice one of two patterns in places like the Twin cities:
1: explorers get into a place and publicise it.
2: Grafitti kids, vandals, and security suddenly find out about it.
3: place gets locked up, better guarded, etc.
Alternatively:
1: explorers get into a place and find out the security/dangers/etc
2: 2nd group of explorers says "you guys are pussies" and ignore the dangers
3: someone gets fucked, then place gets locked up, better guarded, etc.
Corrolary: even if the NSA/FBI/Echelon aren't logged into UER, once a place shows up on here it's on Flickr/Youtube/etc pretty quick, and on the bulletin board in the security guards' office soon afterwards. Also the amount of foot traffic goes up, including the amount of obvious traffic. A group/ community of explorers on the whole is only as sneaky as it's clumsiest member, and only as smart as its dumbest member. UER is a pretty big community...
To TCAAP, ThatguyinMN, etc, yes, some of us have done the plant (and other places), and have found genuine, actual security issues (like the aforementioned guys in Ghilli suits). So yes, some warnings may be overblown, but some are genuinely trying to keep explorers from getting fucked, and exploring sites from getting fucked.
There ARE prior examples, like a certain hospital, mills, tunnels, skate parks, etc. Some of these got blown due to too many people going in and out, some to too much online presence, some due to grafitti, and some due to normal changes in status/security. A lot of people here are speaking from experience. Once a site is known on UER, its days are often (but not always) numbered.
A good example is the cameras in certain tunnel system(s). The first person(s) to see them warned everyone, then everyone else just HAD to see them for themselves, see if there was a way around them, see if they were real, etc. Eventually, BAM, someone's on the news in handcuffs.
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Turn off the internet and go play outside.
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ToXiC
Location: Minneapolis, Minnesota
Gender: Male
Original Jackassary.
| | | | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 54 on 10/5/2009 7:52 AM >
| | | | Posted by Freak
Here goes...
A: If you've been on UER more than 5 minutes, you notice one of two patterns in places like the Twin cities:
1: explorers get into a place and publicise it.
2: Grafitti kids, vandals, and security suddenly find out about it.
3: place gets locked up, better guarded, etc.
Alternatively:
1: explorers get into a place and find out the security/dangers/etc
2: 2nd group of explorers says "you guys are pussies" and ignore the dangers
3: someone gets fucked, then place gets locked up, better guarded, etc.
Corrolary: even if the NSA/FBI/Echelon aren't logged into UER, once a place shows up on here it's on Flickr/Youtube/etc pretty quick, and on the bulletin board in the security guards' office soon afterwards. Also the amount of foot traffic goes up, including the amount of obvious traffic. A group/ community of explorers on the whole is only as sneaky as it's clumsiest member, and only as smart as its dumbest member. UER is a pretty big community...
To TCAAP, ThatguyinMN, etc, yes, some of us have done the plant (and other places), and have found genuine, actual security issues (like the aforementioned guys in Ghilli suits). So yes, some warnings may be overblown, but some are genuinely trying to keep explorers from getting fucked, and exploring sites from getting fucked.
There ARE prior examples, like a certain hospital, mills, tunnels, skate parks, etc. Some of these got blown due to too many people going in and out, some to too much online presence, some due to grafitti, and some due to normal changes in status/security. A lot of people here are speaking from experience. Once a site is known on UER, its days are often (but not always) numbered.
A good example is the cameras in certain tunnel system(s). The first person(s) to see them warned everyone, then everyone else just HAD to see them for themselves, see if there was a way around them, see if they were real, etc. Eventually, BAM, someone's on the news in handcuffs.
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Stupid RNC....
Anyhow...
Good post Freak, I completely agree. I may not have as much experiance as you in ue (dont look at my star, its not real ;p ) but I understand and completely agree with your statement.
I have my own website for MN-UE but I generally dont post a place (not perfect, bare in mind) without reason, such as 1) ruined 2) demo'd, etc... but still, posting about places on a forum is the easiest way to get rid of a spot.
Landmark is a perfect example.
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Asylunt
Location: MPLS
Gender: Male
The Friendly Beer!
| | | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 55 on 10/6/2009 10:00 AM >
| | | | This thread sums up why this is my first post on here in eons. I actually think ThatGuy and TCAAP seem freaking awesome for doing this, but think of how much fun it would have been to just explore it, not post anything, not read anybody's killjoy comments, and then go on to explore something else without seeking community approval. I really like exploring with people but I warn all about getting involved with a forum for all of the above. What ThatGuy posted and what Freak posted are both true, this site is a bunch of lamos that rip on newbs even after demanding proof, as well as a bunch of newbs who fuck shit up for others, my solution leave this place, and then come back at random to make comments about this very thing in the form of run on sentences!
Fucking rock out in a flight suit and shit!
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Location: Cincinnati, OH
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| | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 56 on 10/7/2009 5:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by Asylunt
This thread sums up why this is my first post on here in eons. I actually think ThatGuy and TCAAP seem freaking awesome for doing this, but think of how much fun it would have been to just explore it, not post anything, not read anybody's killjoy comments, and then go on to explore something else without seeking community approval. I really like exploring with people but I warn all about getting involved with a forum for all of the above. What ThatGuy posted and what Freak posted are both true, this site is a bunch of lamos that rip on newbs even after demanding proof, as well as a bunch of newbs who fuck shit up for others, my solution leave this place, and then come back at random to make comments about this very thing in the form of run on sentences!
Fucking rock out in a flight suit and shit!
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Not posting -anything- would be the wise thing to do. You post, you're fair game to all. More then one member learned the hard way, and payed with more then a friendly flame job. Eat poison, fart blood.
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 57 on 10/7/2009 6:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by whistlebait
Eat poison, fart blood. |
I wonder about you sometimes!
I should watch what I eat.
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GreyKat
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul MN
Gender: Male
I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.
| | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 58 on 10/7/2009 7:16 PM >
| | | | Pass me a cup of that fart blood, it goes well with all the whine and cheese.
Grow a pair gents UER has pretty much always been a bitch and flame fest for anyone having a bad day. Dont let it get you down and get a little tougher skin. I really enjoy checking out what new and old people alike post up for everyone even though I rarely if ever post anything I check out anymore. It's cheap entertainment and sometimes even has good info.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: Closed ammo plant in Arden Hills, mn
<Reply # 59 on 10/10/2009 9:13 AM >
| | | | Cool photos. You guys rule. But keeping a low profile has it's advantages. But sometimes it's cool to blow your wad, usually after it's old hat.
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