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The "preacher's'" act sparked the riots, true or false? If false he is not culpable; if true he is. It isn't difficult.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
Im saying this guy in FL didnt just burn a Quran, he did it out of hate and with a dozen world leaders telling him what would happen if he did. He knew the risk going into it. He knew the reaction and yet he did it. That is premeditated.
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You are right. I'm sure people only burn the Bible and Flag with love in their hearts.
I'm sure the piss Christ guy never thought his art would be seen as offensive to Christians.
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Posted by DevilC
You stopped making sense a while ago kid.
Why so angry?
In this post, you underscore my valid and correct point below:
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is it normal to firebomb abortion clinics? or kill doctors that perform abortions? or kill homosexuals? or burn another religions holy book? i have stayed on two topics. you have wandered aimlessly.
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Posted by G to the Race
The "preacher's'" act sparked the riots, true or false? If false he is not culpable; if true he is. It isn't difficult.
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So if somebody does something mundane, and it sets me off on a killing spree then that person is culpable?
No, in that case I am insane.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
be it against homosexuals or other religions or races.
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Then you should really have an issue with islam. They do more than just "hate" homosexuals. And for some reason, the media doesnt cover that...
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Posted by Soldat
You are right. I'm sure people only burn the Bible and Flag with love in their hearts.
I'm sure the piss Christ guy never thought his art would be seen as offensive to Christians.
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the artist did it for attention and controversy. you keep singling out radical muslims like they are the only ones to ever do anything like that this.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
is it normal to firebomb abortion clinics? or kill doctors that perform abortions? or kill homosexuals? or burn another religions holy book? i have stayed on two topics. you have wandered aimlessly.
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You use extremely rare examples of radical Christianity, particularly the pro life movement.
Face it, we deal with violent extremist Islam every day.
They really do not compare.
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Posted by Mr_Fiend
Then you should really have an issue with islam. They do more than just "hate" homosexuals. And for some reason, the media doesnt cover that...
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i do have a problem with islam over that. but we are not discussing that now are we? this is about a bigoted hateful "preacher" who attacked an entire religion and purposely did something he knew would endanger the lives of people.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
the artist did it for attention and controversy.
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LOL. So did the preacher.
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You cannot keep it to the topic of Islam.
You want to re-direct to Christianity.
That is the logical fallacy of introducing Red Herring.
Bravo.
Who is killing gays?
More gays are killed in the Islamic world in one WEEK than all killed in all of the hate crimes in the US/Canada/Europe over the past 25 years.
That is a fact.
Somewhere in Iran today, a bunch of poor saps will be run up a crane and hanged just because of their sexual preference.
How many abortion clinics have been fire bombed/burned/blewed up since Roe vs Wade?
Maybe 10?
Compared to the number of Christian Churches or Buddhist Shrines or Sikh Temples burned/razed/blewed up in Islamic nations in one year.
You are killing me.
Stop equivocating, stay on topic.
I know it's hard.
Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
or kill homosexuals? or burn another religions holy book? i have stayed on two topics. you have wandered aimlessly.
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Posted by Soldat
You use extremely rare examples of radical Christianity, particularly the pro life movement.
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Really?
United States
The majority of anti-abortion violence has been committed in the United States of America.[citation needed]
[edit]Murders
In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[6][7]
March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Dr. Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death at his home in Amherst, New York. His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Dr. Slepian's murder after finally being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas.[8]
[edit]Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[9] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[6][10][11]
August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[12]
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.
[edit]Arson, bombing, and property crime
According to NAF, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, property crimes committed against abortion providers have included 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 1630 incidents of trespassing, 1264 incidents of vandalism, and 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs").[9] The New York Times also cites over one hundred clinic bombings and incidents of arson, over three hundred invasions, and over four hundred incidents of vandalism between 1978 and 1993.[13] The first clinic arson occurred in Oregon in March 1976 and the first bombing occurred in February 1978 in Ohio.[14] Incidents have included:
December 25, 1984: An abortion clinic and two physicians' offices in Pensacola, Florida were bombed in the early morning of Christmas Day by a quartet of young people (Matt Goldsby, Jimmy Simmons, Kathy Simmons, Kaye Wiggins) who later called the bombings "a gift to Jesus on his birthday."[15][16][17]
May 21, 1998: Three people were injured when acid was poured at the entrances of five abortion clinics in Miami, Florida.[18]
October 1999: Martin Uphoff set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, causing US$100 worth of damage. He was later sentenced to 60 months in prison.[19]
May 28, 2000: An arson at a clinic in Concord, New Hampshire resulted in several thousand dollars' worth of damage. The case remains unsolved.[20][21][22] This was the second arson at the clinic.[23]
September 30, 2000: John Earl, a Catholic priest, drove his car into the Northern Illinois Health Clinic after learning that the FDA had approved the drug RU-486. He pulled out an ax before being forced to the ground by the owner of the building who fired two warning shots from a shotgun.[24]
June 11, 2001: An unsolved bombing at a clinic in Tacoma, Washington destroyed a wall, resulting in US$6000 in damages.[19]
July 4, 2005: A clinic Palm Beach, Florida was the target of an arson. The case remains open.[19]
December 12, 2005: Patricia Hughes and Jeremy Dunahoe threw a Molotov cocktail at a clinic in Shreveport, Louisiana. The device missed the building and no damage was caused. In August 2006, Hughes was sentenced to six years in prison, and Dunahoe to one year. Hughes claimed the bomb was a “memorial lamp” for an abortion she had had there.[25]
September 13, 2006 David McMenemy of Rochester Hills, Michigan crashed his car into the Edgerton Women's Care Center in Davenport, Iowa. He then doused the lobby in gasoline and then started a fire. McMenemy committed these acts in the belief that the center was performing abortions, however Edgerton is not an abortion clinic.[26]
April 25, 2007: A package left at a women's health clinic in Austin, Texas contained an explosive device capable of inflicting serious injury or death. A bomb squad detonated the device after evacuating the building. Paul Ross Evans (who had a criminal record for armed robbery and theft) was found guilty of the crime.[27]
May 9, 2007: An unidentified person deliberately set fire to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Virginia Beach, Virginia.[28]
December 6, 2007: Chad Altman and Sergio Baca were arrested for the arson of Dr. Curtis Boyd's clinic in Albuquerque. Altman’s girlfriend had scheduled an appointment for an abortion at the clinic.[29]
January 22, 2009 Matthew L. Derosia, 32, who was reported to have had a history of mental illness [30] rammed a SUV into the front entrance of a Planned Parenthood clinic in St. Paul, Minnesota.[31]
[edit]Anthrax threats
The first hoax letters claiming to contain anthrax were mailed to U.S. clinics in October 1998, a few days after the Slepian shooting; since then, there have been 655 such bioterror threats made against abortion providers. None of the "anthrax" in these cases was real.[10][32]
November 2001: After the genuine 2001 anthrax attacks, Clayton Waagner mailed hoax letters containing a white powder to 554 clinics. On December 3, 2003, Waagner was convicted of 51 charges relating to the anthrax scare.
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Posted by Soldat
LOL. So did the preacher.
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the artist didnt get anyone killed. the preacher did.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
i do have a problem with islam over that. but we are not discussing that now are we? this is about a bigoted hateful "preacher" who attacked an entire religion and purposely did something he knew would endanger the lives of people.
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We are discussing why Islam gets extremely violent and sees their violent and murderous actions as justified when something offends them. We are also discussing how the world seems to excuse it and hold them to a different standard.
I could say abortionists attack Christianity by doing what many in the faith feel is evil, is murder. So by doing that they knowingly provoke Christians, right?
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Posted by DevilC
It is not normal to react to offensive behavior with violence, especially mass violence toward people who have no relation to the person who offended you.
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Oh man, I missed this. You hit the nail on the head. Not only did they kill people over a book, but they killed people who had nothing to do with the entire situation at all!
Muslims: "they burned our book, now we're pissed, lets go kill those people who had nothing to do with this!"
And THAT is less than or equal to burning their book???
Scary
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Posted by DevilC
You cannot keep it to the topic of Islam.
You want to re-direct to Christianity.
That is the logical fallacy of introducing Red Herring.
Bravo.
Who is killing gays?
More gays are killed in the Islamic world in one WEEK than all killed in all of the hate crimes in the US/Canada/Europe over the past 25 years.
That is a fact.
Somewhere in Iran today, a bunch of poor saps will be run up a crane and hanged just because of their sexual preference.
How many abortion clinics have been fire bombed/burned/blewed up since Roe vs Wade?
Maybe 10?
Compared to the number of Christian Churches or Buddhist Shrines or Sikh Temples burned/razed/blewed up in Islamic nations in one year.
You are killing me.
Stop equivocating, stay on topic.
I know it's hard.
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I am not attacking christians. i'm going after extremist. the murder of abortion doctors or the flying of planes into buildings are not common things, but they still happen. i am pointing out that islam is just as violent as christianity yet you wanna gloss over that fact
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
Really?
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Gimme the total number of incidents and death count of that list, then I'll give you the last months death toll in Afghanistan.
EDIT: Oh wait, it says AT LEAST 8. And that seems to be about the 15 years.
37 coalition deaths in May, and that does not count civilians killed.
Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
the artist didnt get anyone killed. the preacher did.
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I agree. Now lets use our big boy heads and look into why?
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Posted by Soldat
We are discussing why Islam gets extremely violent and sees their violent and murderous actions as justified when something offends them. We are also discussing how the world seems to excuse it and hold them to a different standard.
I could say abortionists attack Christianity by doing what many in the faith feel is evil, is murder. So by doing that they knowingly provoke Christians, right?
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islam as a whole doesnt see it as justified. the radicals do. thats the point.
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That is false.
You keep saying that ... and you are wrong.
Hence my statement that, when you claim to have 'read the Koran' - you lied.
OR, your reading comprehension abilities are as lacking as your ability to formulate logical arguments based upon facts.
Name the major schools of Islamic jurispridence.
Go.
Now name me one, just ONE that does NOT preach and advocate violent jihad.
Go.
You can't get this answer from Wikipedia, so come back in a few days with the correct answer.
We can all wait.
Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
islam as a whole doesnt see it as justified. the radicals do. thats the point.
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Says you, and you are incorrect.
Prove it with facts and statistics.
The person asserting a position bears the onus of demonstrating its truth.
Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
i am pointing out that islam is just as violent as christianity yet you wanna gloss over that fact
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
islam as a whole doesnt see it as justified. the radicals do. thats the point.
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The point is radical and violent Islam is a hell of a lot larger and more accepted by mainstream Islam than radical and violent Christianity is by mainstream Christians.
There is a reason why UP TO 8 people were killed in abortion attacks in the last 20 years and thousands are killed by radical islam a year.
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Posted by DevilC
That is false.
You keep saying that ... and you are wrong.
Hence my statement that, when you claim to have 'read the Koran' - you lied.
OR, your reading comprehension abilities are as lacking as your ability to formulate logical arguments based upon facts.
Name the major schools of Islamic jurispridence.
Go.
Now name me one, just ONE that does NOT preach and advocate violent jihad.
Go.
You can't get this answer from Wikipedia, so come back in a few days with the correct answer.
We can all wait.
Says you, and you are incorrect.
Prove it with facts and statistics.
The person asserting a position bears the onus of demonstrating its truth.
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I'm not Muslim. I have just read the Quran Have you ever read it? Are you aware that Jesus is the most quoted prophet in the Quran? So by saying that Muslims are evil and violent you are saying that Christians are too.
the only permissible war is one of self-defense. Muslims may not begin hostilities (2: 190). Warfare is always evil, but sometimes you have to fight in order to avoid the kind of persecution that Mecca inflicted on the Muslims (2: 191; 2: 217) or to preserve decent values (4: 75; 22: 40). The Koran quotes the Torah, the Jewish scriptures, which permits people to retaliate eye for eye, tooth for tooth, but like the Gospels, the Koran suggests that it is meritorious to forgo revenge in a spirit of charity (5: 45). Hostilities must be brought to an end as quickly as possible and must cease the minute the enemy sues for peace (2: 192-3).
Here is another whole article for you to ignore and continue with your attack on islam
http://www.time.co...1-175987%2C00.html
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