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Posted by Soldat
Yeah I know there are radical and violent Jews. There are radical and violent most things.
But to tell me that they are as violent and numerous and Muslims? Yeah, no.
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I am only accounting what I have seen in person, with my own eyes. Not numbers on a web page or any other form of skewed media.
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Posted by maypost
I am only accounting what I have seen in person, with my own eyes. Not numbers on a web page or any other form of skewed media.
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Well if you go to Afghanistan you won't have much media skewing info, just Muslim dudes trying to kill you.
That maybe will balance out your opinion.
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| Radical muslims killed people over bullshit. |
there you go! you said it! Radicals are the problem. not the over a billion sane non violent muslims. thank you.
| Because they kill MORE. They have killed people I know, they want to kill me, they want to kill you. |
Think your the only one to have lost somebody over there?
| You are right, those threats are extremely common and the chances of them happening to you are great. Odds are you will die thanks to Muslim extremism in the US. |
I thought the greatest odds of dying were via car wrecks... are the extremist the ones who are driving really poorly?
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| They have killed people I know, they want to kill me, they want to kill you. |
I'm willing to bet A LOT that the reason they want to kill you is because you're in their country with a gun and an agenda. I'm also willing to bet they want to kill me because you're in their country with a gun and an agenda.
moral of the story: if you don't want them to kill us don't go to their country with a gun and an agenda.
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Posted by Soldat
Well if you go to Afghanistan you won't have much media skewing info, just Muslim dudes trying to kill you.
That maybe will balance out your opinion.
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All I am saying is it's not so black and white. My opinion is mine and yours is yours.
If you expect me to change my views on world religion based on a single country, sorry to say, but you're barking up the wrong tree
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Posted by Soldat
You think its understandable and the fault of some guy who burned a book halfway across the globe.
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No. No one here thinks that. Nice job understanding things.
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I think its their fault for being backwards and violent.
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I think the guy who burned the Koran is backwards and violent. I think you are backwards and violent for saying that all Muslims are backwards and violent.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
there you go! you said it! Radicals are the problem. not the over a billion sane non violent muslims. thank you.
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I never said it was all of them, but nice job reading. I am trying to figure out why Islam seems to breed extremism at a rate that dwarfs every other religion on earth.
Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
Think your the only one to have lost somebody over there?
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No, but I really doubt you lost anybody too close to you or really are going to risk even losing your own life.
Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
I thought the greatest odds of dying were via car wrecks... are the extremist the ones who are driving really poorly?
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Okay, so I am just going to assume at this point you are stupid. I was pretty clearly playing off your ridiculous assertion that radical Islam is a real threat to you on a daily basis here in the US.
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Posted by Livingstone
I'm willing to bet A LOT that the reason they want to kill you is because you're in their country with a gun and an agenda. I'm also willing to bet they want to kill me because you're in their country with a gun and an agenda.
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Then why did they want to kill us and succeed when we WEREN'T at war in their county...?
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Posted by Livingstone
I'm willing to bet A LOT that the reason they want to kill you is because you're in their country with a gun and an agenda. I'm also willing to bet they want to kill me because you're in their country with a gun and an agenda. |
I was not aware we were in Afghansitan at all before 2001? At least some of them seems really into killing us before then.
Posted by Livingstone
moral of the story: if you don't want them to kill us don't go to their country with a gun and an agenda. |
I go with a gun, the politicians bring the agenda.
Like I said before, Iraq and Libya are retarded, Afghanistan was instigated by their own attacks and violence.
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Posted by Mr_Fiend
Then why did they want to kill us and succeed when we WEREN'T at war in their county...?
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We have had out nose poking around there with guns and agendas since the early 80's, earlier to be honest
Like 20 years since 9/11, possibly more
We GAVE them their guns, manipulated them into fighting OUR wars and then wonder why the are pissed at us. Really, it's funny how terrible we can be; it's even more amazing that most of us don't even see it.
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Posted by MutantMandias
No. No one here thinks that. Nice job understanding things. |
No people have said that exact thing back in the beginning when this thread was on topic. They feel the guy who set a book on fire is just as guilty if not more so than the killers. I mean, yeah, they killed people over a book, but he knew it would set them off. Thats the argument people made.
Posted by MutantMandias
I think the guy who burned the Koran is backwards and violent. I think you are backwards and violent for saying that all Muslims are backwards and violent.
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That guy is backwards and stupid. I don't really consider burning a book violent. I never said all Muslims are backwards a violent either. I usually make a pretty good effort to ensure I specify radical.
Like I said, I just do not ignore the obvious fact that Islam breeds a huge amount of extremists.
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Posted by Soldat
I was not aware we were in Afghansitan at all before 2001? At least some of them seems really into killing us before then.
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Posted by Soldat
I was not aware we were in Afghansitan at all before 2001? At least some of them seems really into killing us before then.
I go with a gun, the politicians bring the agenda.
Like I said before, Iraq and Libya are retarded, Afghanistan was instigated by their own attacks and violence.
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You know your history Soldat, and you most likely know of our policies in Saudi Arabia. You probably also know that Muslims are a collective more united by religion than nationality.
And you probably also know that we've been up to no good in the region for a long time.
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Posted by HarvestmanMan
You must understand, though, that the very same people who are being persecuted don't see them as just books. You know the proverb about walking a mile in someone else's shoes? Try out the beliefs you're talking about and then make a judgment.
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About thirty years ago I did read both books in question. And a pretty fair number of other religious text. All in an adolescent effort to try and figure out what the deal was with this whole religion thing. My informed opinion afterwards was the same then as now....
These people are all insane. Some of them mean well, but the ones that TRULY believe these books are literal truth are completely batshit crazy. And the ones that pick and choose which rules to follow are hypocrites.
So I have taken the walk and I do understand. Thanks but I'll take my science for the win.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
in Islam, the Quran IS Allah. It is their own personal piece of God. it is not just a book. It is much much more than that. it is property and spirit and more.
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And we go right back to my opinion that the religious zealot is completely insane.
The book is god...
The cracker is part of god...
The books stories are literal truth...
L. Ron Hubbard was a talented writer...
Only a crazy person can believe these things.
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Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
WHERES TEKRITER WHEN WE NEED HIM!?!?!?!?!?!?
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No shit!
HEY! Tech-Shady!
Come break these mutha fukahs OFF!!!
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Posted by Soldat
No people have said that exact thing back in the beginning when this thread was on topic. They feel the guy who set a book on fire is just as guilty if not more so than the killers. I mean, yeah, they killed people over a book, but he knew it would set them off. Thats the argument people made.
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"Understandable" is a big word. I think it is understandable that people were killed because someone burned a Koran. It makes absolutely no sense, and it is not in the least bit forgivable, but it is clearly "understandable," because people knew it would happen before it did.
Because of that, the guy who did it has some culpability.
I feel that you might get so upset by this conversation that you might go out and kill a Muslim. Because of that, I occasionally try to calm the conversation down, as opposed to trying to amp it up and spur you on to killing someone. If you do go and kill someone, it is your unforgivable act, just like it was the unforgivable act of the nutters who killed people in this story, but at least I understand that I have a responsibility not to incite murder.
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Posted by MutantMandias
I feel that you might get so upset by this conversation that you might go out and kill a Muslim. Because of that, I occasionally try to calm the conversation down, as opposed to trying to amp it up and spur you on to killing someone. If you do go and kill someone, it is your unforgivable act, just like it was the unforgivable act of the nutters who killed people in this story, but at least I understand that I have a responsibility not to incite murder.
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From my previous post...
If someone calls me a cocksucker I'm not allowed to shoot him in the face and claim his insult sparked the incident. I'm certainly not allowed to shoot someone else and claim it's the guys that insulted mes fault. They would lock my ass up and call me a fucking hypersensitive sociopath. The guy that called me a nasty name would go home without incident. Because common sense dictates that a minor insult like that is not deserving of such a wildly misdirected blast of retribution.
Now if YOU wound up someone so tightly that he attacked YOU over a trivial insult then, well, you asked for it. But if they killed you it is still totally outside the bounds of sane conduct. People are provoked all the time. Sane one don't kill people over it.
>Eric Robert Rudolph claimed he was provoked to bomb gay bars and abortion clinics because they offended his religion. No sane person gave this any credence and he is now sitting in prison for life.
>Aaron McKinney claimed that he was so offended at sexual advances made by Matthew Shepard that he and Russell Henderson had to beat him almost to death and leave him to die tied to a fence. Both men are in prison for life and nobody outside Westboro Baptist Church ever gave this idea a second of consideration.
>Racist "christian identity groups of all stripes claim blacks, jews, catholics, asians, hispanics, ect... offend their ideals and religion by being in this country. When they kill or abuse someone nobody says "well, they should have KNOWN this would happen. After all, everyone KNOWS that the Aryan Brotherhood hates seeing catholics walking down the street."
So why is it that insane christians are solely responsible for their insane actions? After all, they feel they have been antagonized into action by the blatant disregard of their beliefs. Why are people suggesting that insane muslims not be held to the same standard?
(Note-This is not a defense of insane christians. I'm still sure they are insane too. And I don't know or care if the A-Bs hate catholics or not. I picked those two outta thin air. A bunch of very similar groups do so I just paired them up randomly.)
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Posted by Soldat
No, but I really doubt you lost anybody too close to you or really are going to risk even losing your own life.
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My best friend died over there. and my cousin was shot in the chest, he lived just had some bruising bc his vest protected him. Guess what, he doesn't hate every member of Islam and doesn't think they are trying to kill him. IN fact he made several friends (civilians) while over there.
Posted by Soldat
Okay, so I am just going to assume at this point you are stupid. I was pretty clearly playing off your ridiculous assertion that radical Islam is a real threat to you on a daily basis here in the US.
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I'm stupid, yet i prove you wrong at every step? I'm glad most of my friends and family are in the military, bc if not I would assume everyone in the armed forces was as dumb and bigoted as you.
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Posted by underdark
So why is it that insane christians are solely responsible for their insane actions? After all, they feel they have been antagonized into action by the blatant disregard of their beliefs. Why are people suggesting that insane muslims not be held to the same standard?
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Jesus fucking christ. Insane christians suck. Insane muslims suck. Insane people who kill people suck way more than insane people who do insane hateful things that spur other insane people into being more insane. All of them suck.
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