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why would you turn the car off before coasting into a parking space?
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For shits and giggles, and to see how my friend's track car was, (a guy I know from a Porsche forum swapped an S2 motor into a 924S, and ditched the brake booster for a better fit), I capped the vacuum assist on my Galant one day and left it like that for about a week.
If some wimpy kid who weighs 140 soaking wet can drive a car without power brakes, so can the majority of other drivers on the road. Don't get me started on power steering, I cut the belt off of almost every car I've owned.
This is how cars were made to begin with. Power brakes? Power steering? WTF is an automatic transmission? Anyone ever drive a Ford Model A with rod adjusted brakes? They didn't have fluid brakes back then. They hardly HAD brakes back then. Adjust those fuckers wrong and stab them too hard one day and you'd spin. Good thing cars didn't go past 30 most of the time back then, or else people would surely sue the car manufacturers for faulty products and win massive damages.
Fucking lazy Americans. We'll never learn.
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Hey, I've driven cars with NO brakes home for repair. Well I used the E-brake but only at intersections that well, I could not do a right on red...
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The vehicle I was talkin' about was a push button on/off, last I checked those don't lock the steering.
I've had stuck throttles on off road vehicles, so I had the luxury of time and open space, so I didn't have to blow up my engine by pushing in the clutch.
It is very tough to bring a car down while fighting the throttle.
Power braking in order to roast the rear tires, over powers the rear brakes while keeping the fronts locked.
I agree with the Rev limiter theory.
NOT A GOOD PLAN EINSTEIN!
Unless you have dealt with you're own stuck throttle successfully, don't tell me how to deal with mine.
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Posted by cr400
The vehicle I was talkin' about was a push button on/off, last I checked those don't lock the steering.
I've had stuck throttles on off road vehicles, so I had the luxury of time and open space, so I didn't have to blow up my engine by pushing in the clutch.
It is very tough to bring a car down while fighting the throttle.
Power braking in order to roast the rear tires, over powers the rear brakes while keeping the fronts locked.
I agree with the Rev limiter theory.
NOT A GOOD PLAN EINSTEIN!
Unless you have dealt with you're own stuck throttle successfully, don't tell me how to deal with mine.
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I know Renault on one of their first cars that used drive by wire, the Vel Satis, had a incident where one guy was driving in the Alps and could not stop the car. Once French Police did spike strips to stop it, Renault looked at the car and made a few changes and put in a deadman's switch that if the problem happens again, it will stop the car no matter what.
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Posted by Professor Chaos
I thought Toyota was perfect?
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Just the Prius, and Prius Drivers can do no wrong, EVER.
Not all Toyota vehicles suck, just seems to be a lot of the newer ones.
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believe it or not, this is a really good discussion and amazingly we're all on the same page.
My Cobalt has both a drive-by wire throttle and an electric servo for power steering. Now, I have had throttles stick wide open on my 79 Horizon and my old Pinto... from the time the engine started to peg to the time I got the clutch in and the key to off, maybe four seconds. Now with vacuum assist power brakes, you don't lose your assist immediately; you've got maybe three to four good jabs before you've got to start muscling it. On the power steering tip, if the car is rolling it only takes a little more effort to turn the steering wheel. It's not like you're cranking the wheel on a goddamn school bus.
i think that there are several problems here all happening at the same time:
1)driver inexperience
2)mechanical problem/electrical problem with the car
3)a certain amount of arrogance inside the toyota organization
I'm not flaming, just commenting on an observation that I have made. It seems that Toyotas' quality cap is slipping a bit. There was the very quiet lawsuit about the 33 million engines that failed prematurely. There were the doors that were falling off the Sienna minivans, the Tundra issues... it just seems like Toyota is becoming a victim of their own success.
In this climate, they cannot afford to lose that edge because the competition from other Japanese makes, American models, European models and the Koreans is too fierce to ignore.
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Posted by Samurai
In this climate, they cannot afford to lose that edge because the competition from other Japanese makes, American models, European models and the Koreans is too fierce to ignore.
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Not to mention the Chinese who will be coming on very strong in the near future. If the same thing happens to the automotive industry that has happened to the professional audio industry, the blood-letting has only just begun with the issues of the US Automotive Manufacturers. They are going to need to REALLY tighten the belt if they think they want to actually compete against the Chinese.
OR all the automakers will need to launch a very intense "Not Made In China" campaign to make people realize what they are doing by buying products made in China. This was not done with the pro sound industry and a handful of Chinese manufacturers have proceeded to completely gut the market making it pretty much completely impossible for any US manufacturers to actually make any money in the business.
It will happen.
Just watch.
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It seems like this could be fixed with a programming change. I know floor mats have been blamed for this, but my gut says there's something wrong with the throttle return spring breaking and the stepper motor just pegging it out. Being a Toyota design, I'd put my money on it being something that anyone less than a Toyota engineer would be able to uncover because the return spring is buried in the stepper motor itself or something stupid like that.
BTW, on the declining quality of Japanese cars, my mom has an 07 Honda Odyssey. Brakes have gone out 4 times since purchase. Not fully gone out, but they'd be USELESS in a panic stop. I wish there were other alternatives in the minivan market. GM has none, Ford has none, and the Mopar van is rubbish. Because of the seating position of the Sienna, my mother can't drive one due to health issues. Only 2 other vans are on the market, the unreliable Nissan Quest and the Hyundai/Kia twin. With the general falling apart of the Honda, my parents want to buy a new van, and they still want another Honda. You guys all know how big of a Honda fanboi I can be. I'm doing all I can to get them to look at the Hyundai, hoping it will be a better van.
Chrysler, please make your vans good again. The first gen Caravan was awesome. Hard to kill, handled pretty well for a van. That's the van I want in my driveway.
Personally, I think the Japanese are unknowingly getting ready to be at war with Ford and Hyundai, possible GM if they can continue their success.
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I had the throttle stick wide open in my '96 Caprice with a 5.7 (totally my fault why it stuck)on a winding four lane city street with cars parked in both curb lanes. At first I tried to free the accelerator, while trying to avoid hitting anything, then I put it in neutral, but by then I was doing 98 mph as I started to brake I looked up and saw I had gone all the way left of center and was heading right into a Lincoln navigator that was doing about 40.
At that point I really did think my airbag was going to be the last thing I would ever see. Some how I managed to yank the wheel hard right while braking hard and spun a few 360's down a wide and empty side street.
I slammed hard side ways into a curb and stopped. I was able to fix the problem and drive home, I did have to replace a rim though.
It just happened so fast.
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So now it's Toyota's turn. Both Audi and Jeep have had major bad press on the SAS Sudden Acceleration Syndrome thing. In the Cherokees, the brake and gas are close together, a possible problem for sloppy or Bigfoot drivers, until they get used to it. Especially before the shifter lock was introduced in the early 90's. Chrysler tried to charge me to install the lock on my '91, first saying it was a recall, then saying I still had to pay. Didn't bother, but did get a free BJob from them because the factory rotors were defective or too thin.
Unless on a twisty mountain road going downhill, I would be more afraid of steering lock than sudden acceleration. Get both feet on the wide pedal with all your strength, and edge it into neutral, as has been said. It's amazing how much trouble a POS 10.00 dollar floor mat can cause.
Even going too fast in your own lane, and fighting to stay in it, is better than being unable to stop drifting into the oncoming lane.
Heard about the Velsatis story, quite funny since no one got hurt. Would have been funnier if he cranked the EBrake full on and the front wheels kept pulling the flaming rears along. Or maybe the EBrake was on the front wheels, like on my '81 Subaru.
When we were young kids, my Mom had a 51 Pontiac fastback, (cost 50.00 in about 1964) awesome beater btw, one day the steering wheel came off in her hands. Being kind of smart, she jammed it back on and drove home.
A friends Mom had a 63 Buick Le Sabre in about 1971. They lived in the sticks and had a very steep narrow gravel road to take home. One day the brakes failed. (No dual circuit on that car) So she cranked the wheel and jammed that yellow beauty into an an old growth fir tree.
Everything stops for tree... No injuries luckily. 
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i had a 79 Audi 4000, 5000, 9000... one of those digit cars with a 5cylinder diesel/5gear. The master cylinder went. No problem. Drove the car around for a week with only the ebrake. I was using the engine like a damn jake brake.
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I had a euro spec BMW 325is that the throttle would stick wide open at speeds over 160 km/h... the only thing I figured it could be was the throttle icing.
I had the North American version of the same car, it had coolant lines running into the throttle body, where the euro spec car didn't.
I also had a VW Rabbit that would fuck off on it's own, at a speed higher than it could accelerate if you had your foot through the floorboard. I learned to deal with it, it also didn't have rear brakes.
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I've seen lots of throttle icing, seen it out in the desert at 80plus degrees.
The better fuel you run, or mix on your own, and the longer the intake plenum, the more likely this will occur.
I have driven cars/motorcycles with no brakes, I've driven cars/motorcycles with no clutch linkeages, I've even driven buggys with no front steering ability.
I understand that new disk brake systems are very powerful. I base all of my stuck throttle VS brakes experience on my cars at the time, these had drum brakes.
68 Road runner 400HP, drums at all for corners, brakes were sketchy when warm. Unpredictable when hot......
325Hp sand rail, this has only rear turning brakes, and the drums are drilled on the friction surfaces for cooling and for sand to escape.
Neither one of these vehicles brakes could do battle with the motor for more than a minute or so, fade would happen quickly.
I know that a lot of these poor souls being killed in these accidents might be avoided, with some mechanical knowledge, or some defensive driving knowledge.
But even with those skills, You only have seconds to do it right the first time.
I have broken plenty of bones due to a few wrong split second decisions....
I just hope this problem gets fixed before more people get hurt or killed!!!
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I blame all these problems on the sad driving skills of the average american. Its like the ford explorer/firestone bs. I have had a blow out at over 80 in a 69 jeepster (lol damn near top speed) and I'm here to tell about it. I held on tight to the wheel pulled off the road slowly and calmly and changed my tire. I tell you people can't drive. Throttle sticks? If you saw half the shit I drive ya would know I have dealt with this on many occasions. Its not a big deal. Neutral then brakes then cut the damned thing off. This is not hard. If u die because of it then ya pretty much had it commin.
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I love Toyota, they gave me a $400 bonus today for breaking even last quarter. I was hired on 4 weeks ago in Cambridge making the Corolla and Matrix. Apparently a lot of people like Toyotas, we produce over 1,000 Matrix and Corolla in two shifts. We're doing mandatory over time everyday and working saturdays, we can't build cars fast enough. I love it.
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Posted by gtbikes51
I love Toyota, they gave me a $400 bonus today for breaking even last quarter. I was hired on 4 weeks ago in Cambridge making the Corolla and Matrix. Apparently a lot of people like Toyotas, we produce over 1,000 Matrix and Corolla in two shifts. We're doing mandatory over time everyday and working saturdays, we can't build cars fast enough. I love it.
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Oh now you have done it....Samarui will have a word with you out back behind the dumpster 
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Someone mentioned the Chinese cars. I back in April when I was in Seattle did a test drive of a Chinese made car as part of a market study for about an hour. I have to say, while the craftsmanship is not exactly the same as a domestic car, it is however at least two steps above the quality of the Japanese cars. The vehicle I drove was some sort of knock off the Hummer, and this thing I can tell you is going to make Toyota want to bring back back the HiLux to the US.
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Posted by Agent Skelly
I have to say, while the craftsmanship is not exactly the same as a domestic car, it is however at least two steps above the quality of the Japanese cars. |
So you're saying it beat the hell out of a domestic car?
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LOL @ craftmanship of an american car, oh skelly
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