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| | | | Re: Ask Someone Who Owns One... If They're Still Alive... < Reply # 25 on 11/9/2009 2:52 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Professor Chaos I thought Toyota was perfect?
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1903 likes
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| | | Re: Ask Someone Who Owns One... If They're Still Alive... < Reply # 26 on 11/9/2009 4:48 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | believe it or not, this is a really good discussion and amazingly we're all on the same page. My Cobalt has both a drive-by wire throttle and an electric servo for power steering. Now, I have had throttles stick wide open on my 79 Horizon and my old Pinto... from the time the engine started to peg to the time I got the clutch in and the key to off, maybe four seconds. Now with vacuum assist power brakes, you don't lose your assist immediately; you've got maybe three to four good jabs before you've got to start muscling it. On the power steering tip, if the car is rolling it only takes a little more effort to turn the steering wheel. It's not like you're cranking the wheel on a goddamn school bus. i think that there are several problems here all happening at the same time: 1)driver inexperience 2)mechanical problem/electrical problem with the car 3)a certain amount of arrogance inside the toyota organization I'm not flaming, just commenting on an observation that I have made. It seems that Toyotas' quality cap is slipping a bit. There was the very quiet lawsuit about the 33 million engines that failed prematurely. There were the doors that were falling off the Sienna minivans, the Tundra issues... it just seems like Toyota is becoming a victim of their own success. In this climate, they cannot afford to lose that edge because the competition from other Japanese makes, American models, European models and the Koreans is too fierce to ignore.
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| Otaku
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| | | Re: Ask Someone Who Owns One... If They're Still Alive... < Reply # 28 on 11/9/2009 6:22 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | It seems like this could be fixed with a programming change. I know floor mats have been blamed for this, but my gut says there's something wrong with the throttle return spring breaking and the stepper motor just pegging it out. Being a Toyota design, I'd put my money on it being something that anyone less than a Toyota engineer would be able to uncover because the return spring is buried in the stepper motor itself or something stupid like that. BTW, on the declining quality of Japanese cars, my mom has an 07 Honda Odyssey. Brakes have gone out 4 times since purchase. Not fully gone out, but they'd be USELESS in a panic stop. I wish there were other alternatives in the minivan market. GM has none, Ford has none, and the Mopar van is rubbish. Because of the seating position of the Sienna, my mother can't drive one due to health issues. Only 2 other vans are on the market, the unreliable Nissan Quest and the Hyundai/Kia twin. With the general falling apart of the Honda, my parents want to buy a new van, and they still want another Honda. You guys all know how big of a Honda fanboi I can be. I'm doing all I can to get them to look at the Hyundai, hoping it will be a better van. Chrysler, please make your vans good again. The first gen Caravan was awesome. Hard to kill, handled pretty well for a van. That's the van I want in my driveway. Personally, I think the Japanese are unknowingly getting ready to be at war with Ford and Hyundai, possible GM if they can continue their success.
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| A. Lien
Location: Fantasy Island B.C. Gender: Male Total Likes: 17 likes
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| | | Re: Ask Someone Who Owns One... If They're Still Alive... < Reply # 30 on 11/9/2009 7:41 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | So now it's Toyota's turn. Both Audi and Jeep have had major bad press on the SAS Sudden Acceleration Syndrome thing. In the Cherokees, the brake and gas are close together, a possible problem for sloppy or Bigfoot drivers, until they get used to it. Especially before the shifter lock was introduced in the early 90's. Chrysler tried to charge me to install the lock on my '91, first saying it was a recall, then saying I still had to pay. Didn't bother, but did get a free BJob from them because the factory rotors were defective or too thin. Unless on a twisty mountain road going downhill, I would be more afraid of steering lock than sudden acceleration. Get both feet on the wide pedal with all your strength, and edge it into neutral, as has been said. It's amazing how much trouble a POS 10.00 dollar floor mat can cause. Even going too fast in your own lane, and fighting to stay in it, is better than being unable to stop drifting into the oncoming lane. Heard about the Velsatis story, quite funny since no one got hurt. Would have been funnier if he cranked the EBrake full on and the front wheels kept pulling the flaming rears along. Or maybe the EBrake was on the front wheels, like on my '81 Subaru. When we were young kids, my Mom had a 51 Pontiac fastback, (cost 50.00 in about 1964) awesome beater btw, one day the steering wheel came off in her hands. Being kind of smart, she jammed it back on and drove home. A friends Mom had a 63 Buick Le Sabre in about 1971. They lived in the sticks and had a very steep narrow gravel road to take home. One day the brakes failed. (No dual circuit on that car) So she cranked the wheel and jammed that yellow beauty into an an old growth fir tree. Everything stops for tree... No injuries luckily.
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| cr400
Location: Los Angeles, CA Gender: Male Total Likes: 73 likes
| | | Re: Ask Someone Who Owns One... If They're Still Alive... < Reply # 33 on 11/9/2009 4:04 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I've seen lots of throttle icing, seen it out in the desert at 80plus degrees. The better fuel you run, or mix on your own, and the longer the intake plenum, the more likely this will occur. I have driven cars/motorcycles with no brakes, I've driven cars/motorcycles with no clutch linkeages, I've even driven buggys with no front steering ability. I understand that new disk brake systems are very powerful. I base all of my stuck throttle VS brakes experience on my cars at the time, these had drum brakes. 68 Road runner 400HP, drums at all for corners, brakes were sketchy when warm. Unpredictable when hot...... 325Hp sand rail, this has only rear turning brakes, and the drums are drilled on the friction surfaces for cooling and for sand to escape. Neither one of these vehicles brakes could do battle with the motor for more than a minute or so, fade would happen quickly. I know that a lot of these poor souls being killed in these accidents might be avoided, with some mechanical knowledge, or some defensive driving knowledge. But even with those skills, You only have seconds to do it right the first time. I have broken plenty of bones due to a few wrong split second decisions.... I just hope this problem gets fixed before more people get hurt or killed!!!
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