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http://www.latimes...-recall8-2009nov08,0,2472257,full.story
wow.
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Link fix for Sam
http://www.latimes...2472257,full.story
Me goin' legit would be like JarJar on speech therapy.
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sorry... i suck.
this was a discussion over a Beretta forum I am on and one thing that struck me as funny is that if this were a domestic manufacturer, the media would be all over it like a fat kid on a birthday cake.
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I saw a report about this on Nightline last week. That, right there, solidified my stance that Japanese arrogance will be Japan's downfall in everything. Oh, and there is no way I will ever buy a Toyota or Lexus.
They haz bugz in their softwarez.
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Posted by MrMusik
I saw a report about this on Nightline last week. That, right there, solidified my stance that Japanese arrogance will be Japan's downfall in everything. Oh, and there is no way I will ever buy a Toyota or Lexus.
They haz bugz in their softwarez.
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of course, you just painted a bigger target on your back than I already have. 
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I thought Toyota was perfect?
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Posted by Samurai
of course, you just painted a bigger target on your back than I already have.
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Not really. Just like how people become racist after certain bad experiences, people will have bias against manufacturers who come out with shit like this and refuse to properly solve it or even admit there is a problem.
I can see legislation coming from this mandating that cars have actual keys instead of push-button ignitions, and possibly eliminating drive by wire. (Which I would personally love since I HATE the feel of it... no snap throttle acceleration on some cars, what gives!)
The article was interesting. I hadn't read before that it had happened to so many people, or that a survey of 600 Lexus owners reported that TEN PERCENT of them experienced this sudden acceleration. That's VERY disturbing.
Thankfully, for now, I am safe because I am too poor to afford a newer vehicle like this. Given the choice, I don't think I'd own one anyway.
Also, this shows you how sad Americans are becoming. Had these cars been standard, they'd be dealing with blown engines from pressing the clutch in to stop the car, as opposed to dealing with death and injury. Sometimes, we do it to ourselves.
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Could the drivers be inadvertantly hitting resume on the cruise control?
I worked at a helicopter mfg plant, and they discovered after a few crashes, that the choke and trim knobs were, too close together, and to similar. By the time pilots realized their mistake of pulling the wrong knob, it was too late........A stumbling motor 100' above the ground is most often fatal.
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Am I the only one gettin Audi vibes?
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Posted by Professor Chaos
I thought Toyota was perfect?
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youre such an idiot, gm is perfect
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Posted by jeepdave
Am I the only one gettin Audi vibes?
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that was the audi 4000 lol
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Thanks for the concern Sam, but I'm not really going to worry about it.
In the course of my regularly scheduled day job I have to occasionally deal with the Japanese. In doing this I've determined a couple of things.
1. They do not like to be told they are doing it wrong.
2. They do not want an American to show them or train them how to do it correctly.
3. They do NOT make mistakes. EVER.
4. Once they decide how they are going to do something, they are going to do it that way, god dammit! No amount of discussion will lead them to another path.
5. They do not like to be told they are doing it wrong.
So, I am not that surprised that so many people have reported a PROBLEM and they refuse to see it. Because, you know, they don't make mistakes. A mistake like finding a bug in the code of the computer for their cars would be horrific. Especially if someone outside of Toyota were to review their code and find the bug.
Anyhow, none of this negates the fact that there IS a problem, and Toyota refuses to acknowledge it.
An interesting correlating thought exercise to this is what if it was a domestic automaker who was experiencing this issue? OMG!!! WTF!!! They would be drug back and forth through the coals until they battered, beaten, burned, and scorned. The fact that it seems that Toyota isn't getting this treatment is quite interesting to me. I wonder what kind of backroom deal they have with the safety administration to get them to keep sweeping this shit under the rug.
Goddamn assholes... all of them.
Now, the fact that anyone has actually died from this says something about the American public in general. It takes time for a car to accelerate. It takes most cars a good bit of time to accelerate to 100+ MPH. Yes, with a standard transmission, a simple depression of the clutch would allow you to stop the car and shut off the engine. In an automatic car, you can simply bump the shifter into neutral, stop the car, and shut it off. There is no need for anyone to die because of a stuck throttle. Remember, there have been situations where directly connected throttles have gotten stuck too. There is no reason that we can't keep the electronic systems in place. People just need to engage their brain... something we have been telling them they need to do less and less with the addition of every new feature on a car that does things for you.
Anyhow, these are just a few of my thoughts on a beautiful Sunday. Now I'm going to go outside and enjoy the rest of this fantastic day!
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Posted by MrMusik
Now, the fact that anyone has actually died from this says something about the American public in general. It takes time for a car to accelerate. It takes most cars a good bit of time to accelerate to 100+ MPH. Yes, with a standard transmission, a simple depression of the clutch would allow you to stop the car and shut off the engine. In an automatic car, you can simply bump the shifter into neutral, stop the car, and shut it off. There is no need for anyone to die because of a stuck throttle. Remember, there have been situations where directly connected throttles have gotten stuck too. There is no reason that we can't keep the electronic systems in place. People just need to engage their brain... something we have been telling them they need to do less and less with the addition of every new feature on a car that does things for you.
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That is a beautiful statement.
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You gotta remember, you don't just hit that button to kill the motor, you need to hold it in for three seconds. By the time a driver reacts to an unwanted acceleration a couple of seconds will have passed, holding the button down for three seconds, the car has gone thru 5 seconds of acceleration. In that amount of time this vehicle is now approaching 60 MPH. If you need to steer around traffic and remove you're finger from the button, you now need to find the button again, and press it for 3 more seconds, you could now be pushing 80MPH.
Shit happens very fast with a throttle stuck, there is no room for mistakes.
I've had it happen 4 times thru the years.
Unless you've had it happen to you, it's hard to fathom the helpless feeling you get as you search for a solution.
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as I understand it, the problem is actually not a Toyota design fault, it's happening on incorrect installation of aftermarket floor mats, which slide under the pedals and cause them to be jammed.
Even A Genius Has Questions!?!
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Posted by cr400
You gotta remember, you don't just hit that button to kill the motor, you need to hold it in for three seconds. By the time a driver reacts to an unwanted acceleration a couple of seconds will have passed, holding the button down for three seconds, the car has gone thru 5 seconds of acceleration. In that amount of time this vehicle is now approaching 60 MPH. If you need to steer around traffic and remove you're finger from the button, you now need to find the button again, and press it for 3 more seconds, you could now be pushing 80MPH.
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Brakes are designed to counter the engine, meaning if someone were to stand on the brakes in Toyota, it would stop the car even if its wide open throttle. Does anyone know how open the throttle gets stuck? One could always shift into neutral, it doesnt take 3 seconds to do that. The engines inside the cars in question can sit WOT all day long and bounce of the rev limiter with very little to no damage.
The people who died driving these Toyota cars, probably would have found some stupid ass way to die in a Chevy as well.
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If you end up with a stuck throttle in ANY car, the LAST thing you should do is shut off the engine. I don't care if it is a button, knob, lever, key, or whatever. The FIRST thing you should do when you notice a stuck throttle is to shift to NEUTRAL.
If you shut the car off, your power steering and most importantly POWER BRAKES all go away. If you are going 60, 80, 100 MPH or whatever, the LAST thing you want is to be without your power brakes!!! Not to mention in most present day cars with key-switch ignitions, in all the excitement you will probably turn the key all the way to "LOCK" not just to "OFF". This will, as it is designed to do, LOCK the steering column... While you are driving 60/80/100/whatever speed. NOT A GOOD PLAN EINSTEIN!
SO...
#1- NEUTRAL!!! Shift the car to neutral. (This would also be a good time to hit your hazard flashers, but considering the situation, this is probably not on your mind.)
#2- Stop the car in a safe manner.
#3- Shut off the car.
Three simple steps to save your life if you have a stuck throttle in ANY car.
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Something that should also be brought to the discussion table is the fact that driver education for emergency situations is severely lacking. Yeah, we're all taught to drive a car in perfect, and less than perfect conditions. But what happens when you get you're a 16 year old chica who's just had her tires rotated and one falls off on the highway on her way to school? She's left to die because she doesn't have the knowledge to deal with the situation. What happens when non-car enthusiast grandma has her throttle get stuck? Would she know to put the car in neutral before it's too late?
Shit no. Both of them would die because our state governments are more concerned about teaching us how to follow the laws instead of teaching us practical road safety like accident avoidance and emergency manuevering.
Every car forum I go on has a discussion like this monthly it seems. Why haven't we gotten together and demanded change?
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Posted by 944kid
Shit no. Both of them would die because our state governments are more concerned about teaching us how to follow the laws instead of teaching us practical road safety like accident avoidance and emergency manuevering.
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This is exactly the underlying problem I was alluding to earlier. Thank you for spelling it out for those who were not paying attention!
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Neutral, Clutch, Parking brake, Turn the car off, do anything, just don't sit there and let it keep going.
Even with the car off, you're not accelerating anymore, and yes you can still steer, it's just harder. I always stop the engine before getting into a parking spot. The advantage of driving standard.
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