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 TheWolfman269
  
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
If it looks like a wolf, acts like a wolf, and howls like a wolf, it's probably an asshole.
 |  |  | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 40 on 12/19/2010 8:13 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Therrin
Wolfman, the "I carry a gun while exploring" topic you'll find on here in SEVERAL places. Most threads ended up having to be locked because of flame wars between the people on each side of the issue. I'm actually fairly amazed that this one didn't turn out worse than this. (yet)
I'm still amazed at all the people who say things like "crackheads are more scared of you than you are of them" or "they aren't going to just randomly hurt/rape you", etc.
I used to use/carry PepperFoam. It was a mix of CS, OC foam, and the UV dye. I like it much better than typical "pepper spray" of the liquid variety, because it's thicker. It doesn't blow-back into your own face as easily. When it hits them it gels up like whipped cream, and as they try to rub it out of their eyes they end up smearing it everywhere. Think... shaving cream on someone's face. The dye soaks in everywhere they spread it, and usually stays in the skin for several days, even after a shower.
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I have tried VERY hard to keep this from turning into a flame war. I was just adding in my personal opinion on it. After it became obvious this was not the place to do that, I've tried very hard to not let this turn into a "gun" thread. Though know I'm going to hunt a good one down and kick the controversy back up. You know, for funsies. ;)
I know. I don't know where this whole "they're probably more afraid of you" thing started. It's not a damn unicorn or a skittish dog we're talking about here. We're talking about a very real thing. As you've pointed out, their behavior is unpredictable at best. People who think otherwise are the same people that say, "Oh yeah. I'll give you a ride out to the middle of nowhere." and are then killed and it is reported as a great tragedy. No, it was not. It was natural selection. You have proven that you were too stupid to survive and so therefore you were removed from this world. And I'll be damned if I am going to feel the least bit sad or sorry for you. You got what was coming to you.
And this PepperFoam sounds interesting. I feel we should include it in our "Crackhead Consumer Testing" that I mentioned earlier. I'm actually planning on doing this. Just gotta find the crackhead that is down for it. =) My question is this though. Do you know if it will catch on fire from a Tazer? Long story but it has been discovered that alot of the gels, foams, and some other sprays are highly flammable and a tazer will ignite them. Alot of law enforcement was forced to switch quickly to something else not long ago. Do you know if this is one of those substances? I personally don't care and think it would be fun to watch in my free time. But the crackhead I intend to test these things on might care. And I at least feel that I should warn him beforehand if there is a chance I might catch his head on fire. I am a humanitarian after all.
"I've got military training, a giant crowbar, and I've already been shot. What can really stop me?" - Myself |
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Garutachi
 
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 41 on 12/20/2010 12:21 AM >
| | | | Well now this is just getting bizarre. I think I'll just keep my thoughts to myself from here on out. Being a total newbie, I'm not exactly sure what this "flame war" stuff is that you're talking about. But I do apologize for beginning a thread that is not only redundant but now might be turning into a flame war. It doesn't seem like that's a good thing. Sorry about that. After I finish my finals in school this week I'll spend some time reading up on the rules and stuff I have questions about so I don't make the same mistake again. Happy holidays everyone.
"The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits |
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rostit
Location: South Eastern PA
Gender: Male
Imma herpin ma derp like YEAHH!!
| | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 42 on 12/20/2010 12:31 AM >
| | | | From this point forward, I am just going to start carrying my pistol and shoot any person who is in the building that I dont know about. that way I dont have to worry about crackheads or bums or anything from bothering me while I am trespassing. I would take the rifle, but it would get mixed up with my tripod and I cant have that happen.
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Therrin
  
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| |  | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 43 on 12/20/2010 12:53 AM >
| | | | You guys totally misunderstood. THIS thread is faaaar from being a flame war. I was talking about the OTHER threads where "carrying guns while exploring" has been mentioned. This thread is very, very tame.
And no, the gel/foam one's I'm talking about were specially formulated to NOT catch fire from any ignition sources.
A guy running around screaming holding his face and saying "its so hot!" is one thing; but a guy doing all that, and covered in fire for the upper half of his body... just a tad bit far out there. Overkill.
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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TheWolfman269
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
If it looks like a wolf, acts like a wolf, and howls like a wolf, it's probably an asshole.
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 44 on 12/20/2010 4:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
A guy running around screaming holding his face and saying "its so hot!" is one thing; but a guy doing all that, and covered in fire for the upper half of his body... just a tad bit far out there. Overkill.
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Bullshit! Overkill is in the eye of the beholder. I've seen anti tank weapons used on people. What some people define as overkill I define as fucking awesome! Eh, enough with that for now though.
And no worries about posting up redundant stuff. We all do it. And this is for sure not a flame war. Though when you really think about that term, "Flame War", does anyone else picture alot of gay people (sometimes known as flamers) carrying flame throwers and running at each other from different trenches? Or is that just me? And if it is just me, who cares? That's a funny picture in my head and it just proves that my brain is more fun than yours. =P
.... Man I'm in a weird mood tonight....
"I've got military training, a giant crowbar, and I've already been shot. What can really stop me?" - Myself |
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Garutachi
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 45 on 12/20/2010 4:23 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
You guys totally misunderstood. THIS thread is faaaar from being a flame war. I was talking about the OTHER threads where "carrying guns while exploring" has been mentioned. This thread is very, very tame.
And no, the gel/foam one's I'm talking about were specially formulated to NOT catch fire from any ignition sources.
A guy running around screaming holding his face and saying "its so hot!" is one thing; but a guy doing all that, and covered in fire for the upper half of his body... just a tad bit far out there. Overkill.
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Ok well I don't think anyone needs to use anti-tank weapons on crack-heads. BTW...do you know where I could purchase this gel you're talking about?
ALso, if anyone cares to define "flame war" that would be awesome...cause right now Wolfman's description is all I got. I suppose I could look it up using the search function (As I was taught earlier in this thread)but it will have to wait until after I finish this stupid final essay that I haven't started yet. Or maybe I'll just keep procrastinating.......UER is way more fun than writing final essays.
"The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits |
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 46 on 12/20/2010 5:46 PM >
| | | | | Though when you really think about that term, "Flame War", does anyone else picture alot of gay people (sometimes known as flamers) carrying flame throwers and running at each other from different trenches? Or is that just me? And if it is just me, who cares? That's a funny picture in my head and it just proves that my brain is more fun than yours. =P |
Ya *might* wanna keep mental pictures like this to yourself here on UER. There is much love here for the gay communities, and I'm sure a large part of the board would find this kind of thing offensive. Including the moderators, and most likely the site owner.
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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TheWolfman269
Location: Nashville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
If it looks like a wolf, acts like a wolf, and howls like a wolf, it's probably an asshole.
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 47 on 12/20/2010 6:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Therrin
Ya *might* wanna keep mental pictures like this to yourself here on UER. There is much love here for the gay communities, and I'm sure a large part of the board would find this kind of thing offensive. Including the moderators, and most likely the site owner.
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Oh come on. I got nothing against em. Hell, I'm friends with alot of gay folks. And apparently I've very attractive to gay men. ::shrugs:: As long as they don't try to convert me, I got no problems. But you have to admit, that is a funny mental picture. There are folks of all race, religion, and sexual preference that don't have a sense of humor. And I don't get along with any of em. But for the folks that DO have a sense of humor, they love me. =)
"I've got military training, a giant crowbar, and I've already been shot. What can really stop me?" - Myself |
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Wilk
  
Location: NYC
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 48 on 12/20/2010 6:35 PM >
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Problem solved...
Giving out smokes is a sure fire way to befriend a crack head.
[last edit 12/20/2010 6:36 PM by Wilk - edited 1 times]
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Garutachi
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 49 on 12/21/2010 4:45 AM >
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Ok, maybe I'll have to take it up again...or at least pretend to...jk.
"The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits |
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Therrin
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 50 on 12/21/2010 7:27 AM >
| | | | | Giving out smokes is a sure fire way to befriend a crack head. |
Or a great way to show him you've got something he wants. Do you REALLY want to befriend crackheads? Do you think it means the same to them? =P
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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ghost6
Location: R'lyeh, North Carolina
Gender: Male
| | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 51 on 12/21/2010 8:24 AM >
| | | | suburban kids in urban wasteland, you've got a lot to learn.
people do crazy things on crack and even crazier shit when they are 'fiending' or craving the rock.
an encounter with a crackhead can go so many ways, they are totally unpredictable.
alot of it has to do with crackheads first impression of you.
if he thinks you are the law, which he likely will if you sneak around, dressed up all commando or ninja style, then crackhead will probably run.
he thinks you are back there for similar reasons as him, he may try to get you to buy crack with him, or even pot, except he will want to take your money to his dealer and there is a 99% chance his intent is not to buy dope for you or share but to buy a rock and smoke it all himself.
if he thinks you are just a kid out sneaking around the building, he may want to rape you, offer to sell you his shoes, hat, stolen goods, etc usually for $5 to $10 USD.
And yes they can be dangerous and yes they can and will rob you, i can just see it now, crackheads tryin to take your camera, either by force or grabbing the tripod and running with it. tis the ways of the crackhead.
so carefully evaluate the crackhead(s) before approaching them. i mean, the question is, can you and your group take him.
DONT FUCK WITH ROCKHEADS if you dont think you can take em if attacked.
If you have fear, leave the crackhead alone, he cant walk or run too well, especially when hes been hitting that stem. Just go around him, your presence at a distance, if he notices will eventually make him feel uncomfortable and he might move on to another area.
Now for approaching and dealing with crackheads.
If you dont show fear or intimidation, but are not looking like you wanna stop his head in, then the crackhead may be relieved, even become friendly.
I had a crackhead offer me a Maverick cigarette once after he saw me and my group wernt the gang that he owed rock money too. He was really cool till he started begging shit and shit started turning up missing at my friends house, so then we let him know the consequences of fuckign with our shit.
I am not saying to be like, this building is now for UER so get out or we gonna fuck you up. Remember crackhead can get you stolen goods for cheap, especially DVD players and VCRs. Crackhead also might know a bit about the area and can produce valuable information. Give em some change, a cigarette or whatever but just remember crackheads often dont quit begging for shit. Make your conversation quick after he lights up the cigarette you gave him, because hes gonna be beggin for change next.
And for good laughs, take a piece of sheet rock or whatever, a clump of power detergent is hillarious. Put it in a cellophane, seal it by twisting it shut and heating it with a lighter. Drop it next to the crackhead, I dont care if that bag has white dryed out dogshit, the crackhead will attempt to smoke it.
Thats from being a juvenile delinquent back in the mid 1990s, homeless on the street at age 15.
I learned about crackheads the hardway. Crackhead stabbed me in the arm over half a 40oz bottle of Colt 45. All because I woulnt let him "hit dat fowty" and pulled a knife, i was drunk and too slow to react and he tried to grab it and i grabbed it back and next thing i knew there was knife in my arm and by reflex i cracked that bottle over his crakhead and cut his face open.
Moral of the story is dont skip skool, if you do dont drink with crackheads.
The nightmare corpse-city of R'lyeh…was built in measureless eons behind history by the vast, loathsome shapes that seeped down from the dark stars. There lay great Cthulhu and his hordes, hidden in green slimy vaults. |
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
*Therrin puts on the penguin-suit
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 52 on 12/21/2010 10:03 AM >
| | | | | I am totally saying to be like, this building is now for UER so get out or we gonna fuck you up. |
I wanna get bumper stickers that say this and leave them places now.
[last edit 12/21/2010 10:05 AM by Therrin - edited 1 times]
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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compaq12986
Location: Tupper Lake, N.Y., 12986
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 53 on 12/21/2010 1:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by rivermyst
Cocaine + Water = Crack. No sugar involved. Dunno what you smelled, but it was probably harmless. Marshmallows even.
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I hate to point this out, but its more than just water and coke. just sayin...
The Misandry around these parts is redonkulous. Sorry I was born with male anatomy.
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Therrin
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Location: North of Chicago, IL
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 54 on 12/21/2010 3:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by compaq12986
I hate to point this out, but its more than just water and coke. just sayin...
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I somehow passed this one up earlier. He has a good point. Cooking up coke into crack also requires a weak base of some sort, usually baking soda.
You can't smoke normal coke, it just doesn't work. And since smoking produces a much faster, sharper high, people either get it in crack form, or they cook it into crack basically from coke, because coke is the purer form. You kinda have to go back a few steps to get back to the crack stage, in simple terms.
Coke is often cut with sugars. So basically if you buy some coke which has been cut with sugar, and you're cooking it back into crack... there's gonna be some coke in there (likely with sugar in it) & baking soda & water.
(You arent putting the sugar in on purpose, for those of you who don't understand, it's usually added into the coke before you buy it..cuz it makes it so the dealer can get more money off his product. sugar makes it weigh more.
Speed-type drugs are bad! Stay away from crackheadz!
Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =) |
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rivermyst
Location: Hamilton, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 55 on 12/21/2010 10:11 PM >
| | | | Just checked on erowid, you guys are right. My apologies, I was out of my element.
To see some really bad cliché photos, go to http://flickr.com/mutagen |
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ger010
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<Reply # 56 on 1/11/2011 1:14 PM >
| | | | Living in Holland we are not allowed to carrier weapons...
However my trusty maglite 5d does the job nicely.
I've never had a run in with an crack/dope head but
if i do i will leave right a way. I'm not going to be
a hero about it.
Perhaps its easy to defend your self but one stab with
a dirty needle ands its game over.
So for me, just go to the next place and try later.
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Garutachi
Location: MA
Gender: Female
| | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 57 on 1/11/2011 4:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by ger010
Living in Holland we are not allowed to carrier weapons...
However my trusty maglite 5d does the job nicely.
I've never had a run in with an crack/dope head but
if i do i will leave right a way. I'm not going to be
a hero about it.
Perhaps its easy to defend your self but one stab with
a dirty needle ands its game over.
So for me, just go to the next place and try later.
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Yeah, That's probably the best thing to do. The thought of being stabbed with a needle...yuck! Luckily when this experience happened we didn't end up having any kind of direct confrontation with him. BTW...Where in Holland are you? My fiance' goes there for work once in a while. A couple years ago I tagged along and we stayed in Nijmegen for a few weeks. Unfortunately, that was before I got into UE. But I still saw some really beautiful places and met tons of very cool people. I'm also pretty fond of the coffee shops. I hope to get back there soon.
"The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits |
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Weapon X
Location: Around
Gender: Male
"You might remember that 'annoyed' is my natural state"
| |  | | Re: How do you deal with crack-heads?
<Reply # 59 on 1/18/2011 10:21 PM >
| | | | Fulminated mercury ;)
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"Ya know.... if I were born a few decades earlier I'd probably be locked in an asylum instead of sneaking into them" :D |
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