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 darkangel7
Location: London ontario
Gender: Female
 |  | INTOXICATIONS WHILE UE'ING
< on 9/12/2009 2:52 PM >
|  | | | Ok so since it was suggested, to start a new thread about this, I am choosing to do so. I myself, do not choose to smoke pot or drink before UE'ing, ALTHOUGH I do smoke pot, and I do occasionally drink, I find that despite the fact then when I "smoke" there is no change in my abilities to do things, or my awareness of surroundings, I will not take the risk of the "what if". I do not know if I would UE with someone who has been drinking more then a beer or two, but I will not have a problem exploring with someone who has been "Smoking"
In regards to the comments made about people who choose to smoke or drink while UE'ing that shouldnt be representing UER, in my opinion, it shouldnt matter what the people choose to do with their own bodies, i do not feel that it reflects on the UER in itself if a few lone people choose to use substances while 'sploring
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Location: Canada
| | Re: INTOXICATIONS WHILE UE'ING
<Reply # 1 on 9/12/2009 3:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by darkangel7
In regards to the comments made about people who choose to smoke or drink while UE'ing that shouldnt be representing UER, in my opinion, it shouldnt matter what the people choose to do with their own bodies, i do not feel that it reflects on the UER in itself if a few lone people choose to use substances while 'sploring
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Well it only really becomes 'everyone else's business when something goes wrong, so I don't think you can say people can do as they wish as it effects everyone when someone is injured. If your intoxicated your just increasing your odds of doing something you probably wouldn't have done otherwise, stupid or careless (call it what you want).
There is no such argument as "me" and "what I do" when the consequences effect everyone else.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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team haymaker
Location: Burlington, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 2 on 9/12/2009 3:34 PM >
| | | | first id like to thank you for starting this thread as hopefully the focus of the previous one will go back to what its suppossed to be.
second, im amazed someone actually acted and appreciated my suggestion so thanks again.
my personal opinion. very basic.
i wont go UE while drinking or smoking, (dont smoke anyways)
but i also wont go with anyone who is or intends to be doing those things either.
and yes if by chance something were to happen to that person and needed help via police, ambulance or fire and it was discovered that drinking played a role in the accident or they had drugs on them that is going to be the main focus of the police and the news even if it had nothing to do with the incident.
i think we as a forum have proved that already as it wasnt confirmed the recent incident was fueled by alcohol but thats what we all talked about.
i think its irresponsible. my opinion only. we can all have our opinions on this which we all feel strongly about, but lets not turn this into a thread full of people trying to force our opinions down each others throat.
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darkangel7
Location: London ontario
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 3 on 9/12/2009 4:29 PM >
| | | | i completely agree, with both of your comments, it does effect everyone that is involved in the UE at the time, this is why i wouldnt choose to go 'sploring with someone who is drunk or high. But like it was said, everyone has their opinions, and we will all agree to disagree in this thread, there are going to be a lot of opinions let loose here.
I believe that someone who is under the influence is a risk, as i have seen it happen, I mean I went to Mc Cormicks and if someone under the influence went there, they would be toast. The shape it is in now, there are gapping holes in the floors, everything has been pulled down from the ceiling(Scrappers have been in and demo'd the place)
I believe there is a time and a place for drinking and smoking, and UE'ing is not it. They are two or three (however u look at it) hobbies that shouldnt be mixed.
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WEKurtz
 
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 4 on 9/12/2009 4:54 PM >
| | | | I'm ambivalent. Heading out for a local abandonment that I've been to, like 10 times, and it's in an isolated area with zero chance of anyone either coming by or giving a shit..yea..I have no problem with an explorer doing some Budws or Buds..Anyplace else let the explorer beware. Alone?.don't give up your freedom to take risks, as long as it's just your own life. (Too many freedoms being lost as it is). Personally I'm looking out for
1. Time lost at work, unpaid, to recover from a dumb stunt.
2. Possible cost of tresspassing charges, if I got caught.
3. The added cost, embarrassment, of dealing with drug/drunk charges.
(Passing a breath test is a two beer fail).
4. Did I mention the pain and possible lifelong consequences of a
permanent injury? ..Oh, and there's the dying thing.
Nah, exploring straight keeps you safe. Just my opinion.
... Kurtz
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maypost
Location: North, South, East, West, all around... then down to the underground
Gender: Male
Exploring if for n00bz0rz
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<Reply # 5 on 9/12/2009 5:26 PM >
| | | | I don't like to drink when I explore. BUT in the winter, I do like to bring a flask of brandy to keep me warm
Exploring is like tattoos... They stopped being cool in 2005
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amy atomic
 
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Female
top banana of the baltimore bunch.
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<Reply # 6 on 9/12/2009 5:38 PM >
| | | | I don't drink or smoke weed, but I have explored with people who have been high before, and the fact that they're high hasn't really bothered me. From my experiences, being high doesn't impact anyone's behavior to such an extent that it would become a liability to me or the other non-drug using members of my exploring group.
My main worry about exploring with people under the influence is that, if we were to be caught and someone in my group was in possession of pot or a harder substance, not only would our presence at an abandoned location look far more suspicious, but there would also certainly be legal involvement whereas, if we were to get caught on site but without having any drugs, we'd be much more likely to be let go with a warning or a slap on the wrist.
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team haymaker
Location: Burlington, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 7 on 9/12/2009 5:45 PM >
| | | | and thats part of my issue with the drugs and alcohol on location especially if you get caught. that will be the main focus of the news and police
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strangePlaces
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: INTOXICATIONS WHILE UE'ING
<Reply # 8 on 9/12/2009 5:52 PM >
| | | | There are two parts to it ...
Getting caught: as it was mentioned, you get in more trouble if you are intoxicated. Pretty self-explanatory.
Effect on decision making/performance: IMO, it depends whether your judgment becomes impaired. Alcohol or drugs are associated with impairment, but say, lack of sleep makes you impaired too. Also, for someone with chronic alcoholism impaired state would be sober state!
So, its not about the fact itself whether you drank, its whether you are in the best state of mind while exploring... whichever way that state was achieved.
For majority, best state is, of course, sober.
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
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<Reply # 9 on 9/12/2009 6:09 PM >
| | | | i'm fuckin wasted right now using an abandoned computer in an abandoned house. i'm about to do rails of coke on an abandoned etch-a-sketch.
cheers UER
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rz350
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Location: toronto
Gender: Male
The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
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<Reply # 10 on 9/12/2009 6:34 PM >
| | | | I do stimulants often while exploring. But since my choice of stimulant is legal. 1-(benzo[d][1,3]dioxol-5-yl)-2-(pyrrolidin-1-yl)pentan-1-one (MDPV google it) I cant get in trouble for being caught with it, and I find moderate stimulant use does not impair any abilities except the ability to shut up while at a bar or other social setting.
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Mr. "D"
Location: East Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: INTOXICATIONS WHILE UE'ING
<Reply # 11 on 9/12/2009 8:08 PM >
| | | | Damn there's some good comments thus far. Good call on the new thread.
I'm just gonna break it down between alcohol and weed, the basic two intoxicants we're talking about here. In terms of weed use there is a huge difference between someone who gets really fucked up and someone who can hold their own. Some people shouldn't smoke weed and explore because it wrecks them too much and frankly, they do dumb shit. Then there's some of us, like myself that don't really get high to the point of being unable to function or do anything. Most people can't even tell that i'm high usually. I find it mellows me out and actually keeps me more alert while checking a place out. Now i not saying im high all the time while exploring, but i'm gonna be completely honest and admit i have been high a few times. Others were aware of this and of course i didn't have anything on me. I must say though if someone is going to bring their "stuff" along with them exploring well then that's just stupid. Leave it at home where it's safe and the fuzz can't find it.
Now in terms of drinking while exploring, well....its a dumb move in my opinion. Like others have mentioned if a cop happens to show up and sees you drunk your pretty much fucked. You can't really hide the fact that your not drunk. Alcohol really impairs your judgement, makes you do dumb moves and puts yourself and others with you in danger. Drinking and exploring do not mix well with each other.
To break it down...i'm cool with weed and exploring as long as none is on their person and of course they can handle themselves. Alcohol and exploring i am completely against. There's no need for that. Save the beers for after the exploring is done. A celebration on a job well done if you will.
[last edit 9/12/2009 11:06 PM by Mr. "D" - edited 1 times]
"If you don't believe your country should come before yourself. Ya can better serve your country, by living somewhere else" - Stompin' Tom Connors
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darkangel7
Location: London ontario
Gender: Female
| | Re: INTOXICATIONS WHILE UE'ING
<Reply # 12 on 9/12/2009 8:21 PM >
| | | | awesome feedback everyone!! this turned out to be a better thread then i thought, so many different points and opinions, and i agree with big daddy d DONT TAKE UR "STUFF" with you!! having a hobby like UE'ing isnt worth making one dumb mistake (like bringing drugs) and going to jail for it!! Happy 'sploring everyone!! Keep it safe ;)
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logtec
Location: Logtec is the UER representative for Scarborough, Ontario.
Gender: Male
Nice head, what's in the bag?
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<Reply # 13 on 9/12/2009 10:16 PM >
| | | | don't forget to check out the "Beer, liquor & Wine" board in the private message boards!
They say "you can't judge a book by its cover!" I say "YES you can, if the cover has a girl on it with a cock in her mouth, its PORN!" if she's 18 and the cock is black, its GREAT porn! |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 14 on 9/12/2009 11:45 PM >
| | | | Despite the common claim of "I can do [insert whatever activity here) just fine or better while drunk/high" it just isn't reality. Tests have shown that a person drinking and within the legal limit has around a 12% reduction in reaction speed. Those under the influence of pot can experience around a 21% reduction in reaction speed. Thats not taking into account judgement ability. Tests done with bus drivers to navigate a narrow bridge for example, showed that even around the legal limit, they did not accurately judge the width or distance correctly when approaching the bridge.
Everyone will vary to some degree, worse or better, but any negative change to your ability to judge, assess, and react to a danger, is a serious hazard.
I also see it all internalized, well, sorry, it isn't just about you.
If you're out exploring and fuck up, you're impacting anyone else with you. If you need to be rescued, you're also effecting those people. After all these years, people still don't grasp that their actions effect others...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Capt Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 15 on 9/13/2009 12:11 AM >
| | | | If everyone here is so worried about risking other peoples safety, then maybe you shouldn't explore at all. I never heard anything about the guy the died at Hearn being drunk or under the influence. And he probably added some risk to the rescuers lives that day. Did the rescuers mind? Probably not, if they didn't want to be in risky situations, then they wouldn't have the jobs they have. They do what they do, because there is some risk in there day to day jobs that beats working in a cubical.
Cheers!
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 16 on 9/13/2009 12:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by Capt Canada
If everyone here is so worried about risking other peoples safety, then maybe you shouldn't explore at all. I never heard anything about the guy the died at Hearn being drunk or under the influence. And he probably added some risk to the rescuers lives that day. Did the rescuers mind? Probably not, if they didn't want to be in risky situations, then they wouldn't have the jobs they have. They do what they do, because there is some risk in there day to day jobs that beats working in a cubical.
Cheers!
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By your "logic", adding more risk to something because it already has some risk makes no difference?
There is no part of logical thought that says adding more risk makes sense.
Not every person involved in rescue is an adrenaline junkie, some people actually take those jobs because they care about helping people. the way you state it would make it seem like everyone who joined the armed forces hopes for the chance to be on the front line in a war, and thats not the case.
As an explorer I understand very well the risks we face, and any chance to mitigate a risk is a wise move. Adding to the potential for failure or injury/death isn't wise by any stretch of the imagination.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Capt Canada
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 9/13/2009 12:34 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Not every person involved in rescue is an adrenaline junkie, some people actually take those jobs because they care about helping people. the way you state it would make it seem like everyone who joined the armed forces hopes for the chance to be on the front line in a war, and thats not the case.
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I think if you join the army with no expectation of going to war, you are joining for the wrong reasons. I have yet to meet anyone who when the joined the military said they had no interest in going to war.
Isn't the risk of most of UE'ing the reason why most people do it?
Personally I find roller coasters boring... why? Cause I know there is zero risk in going on one. The reason I'm into UE is for the risk, and the rush you get when facing it.
Same reason why I have no interest in exploring abandoned farm houses... theres very little risk.
I know not everyone will share my opinion, but this my reason for doing what I do.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 18 on 9/13/2009 12:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by Capt Canada
I think if you join the army with no expectation of going to war, you are joining for the wrong reasons. I have yet to meet anyone who when the joined the military said they had no interest in going to war.
Isn't the risk of most of UE'ing the reason why most people do it?
Personally I find roller coasters boring... why? Cause I know there is zero risk in going on one. The reason I'm into UE is for the risk, and the rush you get when facing it.
Same reason why I have no interest in exploring abandoned farm houses... theres very little risk.
I know not everyone will share my opinion, but this my reason for doing what I do.
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There is a difference between understanding you may be called into duty in a war situation, and eagerly seeking it.
I suppose doing anything stupid increases the risk, but it doesn't sound so glamorous when phrased like that. It's so much sexier and cool to be drinking and tokin it up while you explore, thats so hawt right now.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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rz350
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Location: toronto
Gender: Male
The looniest, zaniest, spontaneous, sporadic Impulsive thinker, compulsive drinker, addict
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<Reply # 19 on 9/13/2009 3:10 AM >
| | | | I am quite eager to take on combat operations my self.
and I wont go to jail for substances, I either have an RX or its so rare and obscure that its not illegal, so to quote Mr. Mathers So you can suck my dick if you don't like, my shit
Cause I was high when I wrote this so suck, my dick - ha ha!
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