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 Kay O. Sweaver
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
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< on 12/9/2004 10:30 PM >
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This thread has served it's purpose - whatever that was.
C.
Wow, now that's a non-sensical statement if I ever read one. How do you know the cake is baked if you don't know what a cake is?
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Jesus Jones
 
This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information.
Location: back in Belleville
Gender: Male
1973-2005
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<Reply # 1 on 12/9/2004 10:41 PM >
|  | | | If you would be so kind as to link to the thread, It most likely degenerated into a flame war and Crossfire locked it.
[11:23:20] * nightbird looks at jj's crotch in amazement
[19:48:06] <Freak> YOUR TOAD A SPLODE
[22:04:21] <keti> in fact, im rather robotic Virginity does not collect intrest. -Andrea [15:44:19] <Kellogs> i'm part of a complete breakfast you know =P wait...that sounds so wrong |
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Servo
 
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<Reply # 2 on 12/9/2004 10:44 PM >
| | | | I think what Crossfire meant was that the thread was fairly pointless to start with. And assuming we're talking about the same thread here, I'd have to agree.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 3 on 12/9/2004 10:46 PM >
|  | | | The cake was a thread with no purpose. The cakes filling was trying to continue shit disturbing by asking for the annoying star. I'm not sure what flavour the icing was, but I know the cake was done.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Kay O. Sweaver
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
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<Reply # 4 on 12/9/2004 11:01 PM >
| | | | The temptation to refute is almost overwhelming... but I'm tired of arguing in circles every time I make a suggestion or observation here.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 5 on 12/9/2004 11:02 PM >
| | | | Well honestly, I'd love to hear why a thread with someone asking to be given the annoying star has any need to be kept going ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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oCtAnE
  
Location: TORONTO, CANADA
Gender: Male
EXPLORER AT LARGE
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<Reply # 6 on 12/9/2004 11:04 PM >
| | | | To maintain explorer sanity?
LOL
-Octane
FUELED BY OCTANE. |
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Kay O. Sweaver
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
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<Reply # 7 on 12/9/2004 11:58 PM >
| | | | For the simple reason that people rarely say what they mean right off the bat. The annoying star is a manifestation of a deeper issue that resonates for people. Conversations evolve and change paths and reveal deeper issues. On the Internet because there's a subject line printed above the rest of the words things are eventually deemed irrelivant and locked, preventing the natural life cycle of the conversation from living out its life. The result. More flamewars later in unrelated topics.
Let threads die of their own accord and the issues that lead to those threads will also die. Those who have no interest or concern in the threads can rightly ignore them or watch from the sidelines. Electronically mediated communication is dysfunctional partially because it attempts to be too controlled and structured. Most of us have adult communication skills in real life but toddler communication skills via the Internet, hence the yelling and name calling and whining to "mommy" (ie; moderators). The constant babysitting which occurs in most online forums prevents us from learning the required skills to converse more effectively. Electronic communication is a relatively new development in our species' history and we've yet to master it.
Remember that chaos is usually only apparent chaos. There is an underlying order and function, even if it can't be rationally explained. Enter chaos and complexity theories. Don't let Greyface dominate the proceedings. FNORD!
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Avatar-X
 
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 8 on 12/10/2004 12:02 AM >
| | | | There's no underlying complexity in a thread whining about wanting to be labelled as annoying. It wastes forum resources, it wastes moderator time to read it, and it lowers the collective intellect of the forum as a whole.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Kay O. Sweaver
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
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<Reply # 9 on 12/10/2004 12:13 AM >
| | | | The intellect of the forum isn't reflected in its posts, its reflected in its users. Deleting someone's dumb post doesn't make them more intelligent.
The forum exists to allow people to communicate, not to keep the server's processors cool.
There ARE underlying issues, even if only to bring levity to a stressful situation.
Moderators don't and can't read everything, its an impossible task. They should not feel obligated to follow every single thread word for word. In any case moderation is a responsibility as much as it is a priviledge. Shutting something down because its causing you extra work may well be doing a disservice to others. Moderators should respond to complaints and people should feel comfortable making those complaints or suggestions.
Allow people some autonomy to govern themselves and strangely enough they will, believe it or not.
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Servo
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<Reply # 10 on 12/10/2004 12:39 AM >
| | | | The issues you're arguing are valid, I just wish the exemplar you used had been more worthy of this debate.
The problems you're talking about with discussions evolving naturally is being worked on. The best solution is a fully-threaded forum, but a lot of people complain they're too complex -- so we're trying to reach a technological solution to this issue.
A social solution is best, as you're suggesting in the last paragraph of your post. But given the size and variety of posters on this forum, and past history, I don't expect people to come to a concensus on what's "best" for the community as a whole. What you're suggesting is complete anarchy -- I urge you to take a look at some of the unmoderated USENET groups or larger web forums to see how well this works.
The main reason mods urge people to stay on topic is because many times, discussion of one topic eclipses the other. Maybe someone still had something to contribute to the original topic, but they see all the "off-topic" posts and think, "Well, what I had to say no longer applies because people aren't talking about that anymore." This can and does happen; in fact, I would go as far to say it is a systemic problem of flat forums. The ones who go off on a tangent have a chilling effect on those who still had something to contribute. This is why I always request that people start a new thread if they have a new topic -- I don't want to stifle their discussion, but there's no reason it couldn't be taken to a new thread. This is the entire point of having threads.
I don't understand the incredibly vitriolic reaction (not in this case, KAOS is discussing admirably, but in an uncountable number of other cases) to any attempt at structured discussion. Real conversations continually grow and change, but in an asynchronous, text-based medium such as this, there exists the ability to formalize discussion so specific topics are better covered and discussed -- this is not evil or stifling of anyone's rights -- it serves to allow a forum user to discuss many topics at once without having them interfere with one another.
If we really don't care about trying to keep discussion/debate orderly, why not just have a logged chat room, or a forum with no threads, where you just post into a big melting pot?
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Scaggs
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 11 on 12/10/2004 1:03 AM >
| | | | Oh, the irony of *THIS* thread. It's killing me 
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Servo
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<Reply # 12 on 12/10/2004 1:20 AM >
| | | | Posted by abandonedsc
Oh, the irony of *THIS* thread. It's killing me
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If you mean the fact that we're already off-topic, then yeah, I can see that. If anyone really still wants to discuss the locking of that other thread, please don't let me stop you.
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Frost
Location: K.Dot
Gender: Male
No beer makes Frosty go..something something..(Taz: Crrazzy?)..Dont mind if I doo!
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<Reply # 13 on 12/10/2004 1:38 AM >
| | | | Posted by abandonedsc
Oh, the irony of *THIS* thread. It's killing me
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The irony lately from a lot of these threads is killing me.
*sigh* all this bitching and moaning about every issue... if all these people dislike this shit so much, go off and start your own fucking forum. It's really all that simple, hell I'll provide you with links to some free programs if you really want, but christ, go off and start your own. You can do your own thing, have your own rules, ideals and things implemented.
So much whining. Most days the forum reminds me of being in grade school, very rarely does it remind me of any sort of mature adult discussion. It's just whining really.... and man I hear enough of that from my children everyday.
KAOS, the above isn't solely directed at you. I believe you have some really good points, but honestly... this is getting old.
Why is marijuana not legal? Why is marijuana not legal? Its a natural plant that grows in the dirt. You know what's not natural, 80 year old dudes with hardons. Thats not natural, but we got pills for that. We're dedicating all our resources to keeping the old guys erect but we're puttin people in jail for smoking something that grows in the dirt. |
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
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<Reply # 14 on 12/10/2004 2:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by Frost
*sigh* all this bitching and moaning about every issue... if all these people dislike this shit so much, go off and start your own fucking forum. It's really all that simple, hell I'll provide you with links to some free programs if you really want, but christ, go off and start your own. You can do your own thing, have your own rules, ideals and things implemented. |
Actually, they tried that. If the lifespan and health of a forum is any indication of how the founders' ideas for rules and management work, then take into consideration that their forum seems to have imploded upon it's self and no longer exists.
So let's more right ahead and apply those ideals to UER and expect it not to, yeah?
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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Servo
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<Reply # 15 on 12/10/2004 2:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by Frost
You can do your own thing, have your own rules, ideals and things implemented.
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Yeah, I really want to see someone do this. Start a forum, no moderation whatsoever, no rules, no locking, no moderator deletion, but users can edit or delete their own posts at any time. Oh and you also have to have completely open registration, no email verification, and the site has to be linked from some popular sites like Slashdot. See how long things stay above water.
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Anymouse
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 16 on 12/10/2004 2:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by MacGyver
Actually, they tried that. If the lifespan and health of a forum is any indication of how the founders' ideas for rules and management work, then take into consideration that their forum seems to have imploded upon it's self and no longer exists.
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Actually, it has outlived UER so far. The UEA forum was around years before the UER forum got started - and it only was shut down this summer. So you can't argue lifespan yet.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 17 on 12/10/2004 3:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by Anymouse
Actually, it has outlived UER so far. The UEA forum was around years before the UER forum got started - and it only was shut down this summer. So you can't argue lifespan yet.
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Around for years ?
http://web.archive...eb/*/http://uea.ca
http://web.archive...eb/*/http://uer.ca
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Kay O. Sweaver
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male
Happiness is saying yes more often than no.
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<Reply # 18 on 12/10/2004 3:58 AM >
| | | | I'm not going to entertain uninformed finger pointing. If you think UEA was a short lived mess you're welcome to that (inaccurate) opinion. Incidentally I've been on several forums and message boards on the Internet with less moderation than UER that are more functional, so claiming that this level of moderation is the only solution doesn't jive with my personal experience.
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Anymouse
Location: Calgary, AB
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 19 on 12/10/2004 3:59 AM >
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It was at http://urbex.sasic.org/ for several months prior to us getting uealberta.ca, before we got uea.ca - and our forum was active about a full year before the UER forum was active ("Avatar-X's Forum" doesn't count).
urbex.sasic.org was set up with a robots.txt, not to be crawled. when we switched domains, we decided to allow indexing on search engines and such.
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