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eoghan
    
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<Reply # 20 on 3/23/2007 11:24 PM >
|  | | | the only time i used a grapnel hook was in the army for trip wires, mines and other triggers. we had a launching kit so you could fire it from an m16. the hook was a folding design and the whole thing was lots of fun to use.
eoghan
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats... -H.L. Mencken
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Glass
   
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as one does
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<Reply # 21 on 3/23/2007 11:29 PM >
| | | | A grappling hook thread with actual content! WoW!
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Pravus
location:
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Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 22 on 3/24/2007 2:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by eoghan
the only time i used a grapnel hook was in the army for trip wires, mines and other triggers. we had a launching kit so you could fire it from an m16. the hook was a folding design and the whole thing was lots of fun to use.
eoghan
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sadly alot of the military hooks are used for this so many aren't really made to take any 'real' weight, aside from the bad ass one made to cast mooring lines between boats which had some massive air powered launcher.. But then again a hook and launcher just isn't worth 3k or whatever it cost.. Eventually I want to build a launcher that would work well, then make a hook to fit it.. Sadly I think the thing that would work almost the best would be a shotgun blank of sorts, which would be all kinds of illegal and shady therefore not really a 'good' option..
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eoghan
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dormont pa
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| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 23 on 3/24/2007 2:25 AM >
| | | | why would it be illegal, other than having a firearm, which make many shiver. [hahahah] the army ones were launched from a 16 like a rifle grenade.
pat
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats... -H.L. Mencken
dude, if you ever shoot me with a .25, and i find out about it, i'll kick yer ass! |
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Timothy R. Pendergast
location:
Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 24 on 3/24/2007 2:58 AM >
| | | | Shotguns are legal, even in Ohio. A 12ga flare pistol could probably substitute for the shotgun, as well. All fully legal.
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Stray
location:
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<Reply # 25 on 3/24/2007 3:05 AM >
| | | | I was watching a show on river rescues and they had a device for firing safety lines across rivers. The point I'm getting at is that they used .22 blanks. Since I don't see you all firing grappling hooks 100 feet away I would assume typical .22 blanks you buy at home depot should be enough to launch it into a 3rd or 4th floor window easily.
...I could be wrong though...
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Monkey Boy
location:
Orlando Fl
Gender: Male
Gone Bananas!
| | | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 26 on 3/24/2007 4:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by White Rabbit
Actually, everybody says that, but it must be that picture. The thing is actually only like 8-10 inches across.
But I have used it, and it works pretty damn well.
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My god, that was the must double-meaning comment i've ever read here.
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eoghan
location:
dormont pa
Gender: Male
| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 27 on 3/24/2007 4:39 AM >
| | | | most 12 gauge flare pistols are designed for very low pressure rounds and a 12 gauge blank launching a grapple will blow them up. actually most of them are made of plastic. if you have a 28mm flare gun and have one of the steel insert adapters for 12 gauge flares you should take note that the atfe has issued a regulation change re categorizing those steel inserts as AOW's and they are now a federal felony to posess in the us. most of the euro flareguns sold in the us in the last 20 years came with them. apparently a couple idiots got caught shooting 12 gauge shotshells out of them. even with the adapters those flareguns will blow up with regular shotgunshells.
eoghan
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats... -H.L. Mencken
dude, if you ever shoot me with a .25, and i find out about it, i'll kick yer ass! |
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Timothy R. Pendergast
location:
Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 28 on 3/24/2007 4:48 AM >
| | | | The ones in our trucks and aircraft are made by H&K and they're metal. I have seen them remote fired with birdshot, and they didn't blow up. All that other business.....meh. I know nothing about launching shit off the muzzle...rifle grenades were long gone by my time.
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WhiteCollarBoy
location:
Chicago, Il
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 29 on 3/24/2007 4:54 AM >
| | | | Now I really, really want a grappling hook. Like now. Makes all of those third story broken windows suddenly accessible.
"It would be nice if I could blink (like Jeannie) and make some of you be afflicted with legs that are like pogo sticks, yes, pogo sticks, for the rest of your lives, and all of the ink shall run from your proud tattoos until it reforms on your foreheads only to spell out, "I am a demanding Bitch, everything should be my way." - JT Colfax |
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 30 on 3/24/2007 6:25 AM >
| | | | I suppose another issue I see with using some kinda shotgun blank is it would be insanely loud.. I never really thought about using a flare, But I'd be worried about launching things with a flare gun and lighting myself or something else (the rope) on fire.. as for the 22 blank it may work but I wanted to design the hook around the launcher and I wanted it metal, I'm not totally sure how much power a 22 blank would have to throw a maybe a few pounds of dead weight, not to mention once the rope catches it has to pull the rope as well..
Other ideas I had included a large spring that I would crank down then drop the hook into it, release the spring and send it on it's way.. Problem with that is I would need one hell of a spring..
Another one was some kinda collapsible crossbowish flipper child to launch the hook..
Heavily modifying a paintball gun to launch it..
12gram CO2 charges, more or less have a mount or a few mounts on the hook to hold the 12grams, drop the hook into something that would pierce them all at the same time and see how far the burst goes..
Using the Estes Rocket engines, problem with those is they burn too long.. so I'd be launching the hook like 500ft if it even launched...... But that would even require multiple engines since the hook & rope would be on the heavy side...
The way I see it is a 'good' launcher would be nice as hell when you just don't have the room to swing the hook around and throw it, although our aim with our hooks has gotten pretty damn good I see it being a bitch in a tight alley or something like that to really get a good throw.. Aside from that it'd just be a fun project..
Anywhoo... H&K makes hooks??
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Timothy R. Pendergast
location:
Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 31 on 3/24/2007 3:43 PM >
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Good idea?
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Stray
location:
Montreal Quebec
Gender: Male
| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 32 on 3/24/2007 11:20 PM >
| | | | If you are going to use that mightest well use those water balloon launchers made of Surgical tubing to launch it...
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Timothy R. Pendergast
location:
Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 3/25/2007 1:55 AM >
| | | | That hook is not weight bearing. Those are the hooks we had in the desert, and they're more for snagging obstacles or potential IEDs and such.
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MindHacker
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Gender: Male
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| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 35 on 3/28/2007 2:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by denimdan
oh and one last thing for my grappling hook. what kind of paint should i use?
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The tool-coating rubbery stuff. I have a cheap one, and I recommend a ring on the end of it - the loading of the hook makes this more ideal. Also, bounce on it before ascending (prussiks / klenhursts (sp?)). Saves a sore tailbone (or worse, I got lucky) (and incidentally the hook didnt slip, my ghetto-harness came untied. I have since bought a real one, thankyouverymuch).
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exiledyeti
location:
MI or NC, depending on the month
Gender: Male
| | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 36 on 4/5/2007 4:49 PM >
| | | | Buddy of mine uses a folding hook he made. I've got a small one which you screw the grapples(?) into. Only had to use it a few times. Both of them are home-made, I'll post pics if anyone wants them. I also wrapped all but the tips of mine in foam insulation so it lands and sets quietly.
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A-BOMB
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Ambridge/Pittsburgh, PA
Gender: Male
Lord of Dangerous Stuff
| | | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 37 on 4/6/2007 12:13 AM >
| | | | What you could use is a high/low cartridge system like a 40mm grenade for a m203/m79 . Instead of a BANG!!! you get a low sounding woof/whooop sound. Or possibly a small pneumatic spudgun. www.spudfiles.com
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 38 on 4/6/2007 10:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by A-BOMB
What you could use is a high/low cartridge system like a 40mm grenade for a m203/m79 . Instead of a BANG!!! you get a low sounding woof/whooop sound. Or possibly a small pneumatic spudgun. www.spudfiles.com
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Actually we were thinking about making a potato cannon type launcher.. The basic design was a muzzle loaded collapsible hook and make the head of the thing almost like a piston to keep everything pressurized.. Only 'real' problem I see with it is it may be a lil on the large side, also a collapsible hook will be weaker.. *shrug*
Our first "test" if you want to call it that is making a cannon for golf balls.. but it's really more because we were bored one night, But i like to think it has a higher purpose..
On the upside a few nights ago I thought of a good idea for an automated ascender when we were bored and ended up at dennys.. downside of that is nobody wants to throw down a chainsaw for me to screw with in case it doesn't work..... Although I was talking to my brother and I think a weedwacker engine would work as well and would likely be a lil more 'silent'
I also figured an idea for an ascender for microline/paracord/accessory cord.. I think that'll work but I haven't gotten around to building it, mostly because I am poor..
Man it sucks to be an idea man with no cash to make the stuff.....
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A-BOMB
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Ambridge/Pittsburgh, PA
Gender: Male
Lord of Dangerous Stuff
| | | Re: Grappling Hooks!
<Reply # 39 on 4/7/2007 1:35 AM >
| | | | This is my folding hook and my 5/8" rope, Though you were talking about about a auto ascender you could use a large cordless drill with the correct gearing, turning a capstan type winch.
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