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<Reply # 80 on 6/8/2007 1:49 PM >
|  | | | ahh dramma is so entertaining to read. i love it so much fun
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<Reply # 81 on 6/15/2007 1:08 AM >
|  | | | not that id ever use a launcher cuz i dont use a hook on things high enough to need one BUT wouldnt a potato gun work as long as ur willing to carry around something that isnt exactly quiet, light, or subtle in any way?
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<Reply # 82 on 6/17/2007 3:44 AM >
| | | | dumb ass question plz answer:
i know how to throw, to get up to get down(repel) but how the hell do you unhook the hook piece once your safely on the ground....
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Pravus
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<Reply # 83 on 6/17/2007 10:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by James_Bond
dumb ass question plz answer:
i know how to throw, to get up to get down(repel) but how the hell do you unhook the hook piece once your safely on the ground....
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that is actually a problem normally.. theres a few ways to do this, some safer then other but I'll add warnings as I go..
One way which works well if there is more then one person rappelling down is send the heaviest person down first.. once that person is on the ground loop the rope around something stable and have both ends of the rope going to the ground then have the ground guy attach himself to one end of the rope and everyone else rappels down the other side.. when everyone is down pull the rope free.. The second person I would recommend the lightest, then help keep the anchor man from getting pulled up, but thats not really that big of a problem normally..
Next way if you are alone is alot like the first only you loop around something solid then attach one side directly to your harness then the other to your fig. 8.. Main problem with this is as you lower yourself down the rope will grind on whatever it is that it's wrapped around (aka cement pylon or I beam) as well as the corner of the dropoff and in turn rip up your rope.. But in a pinch it'll get you down..
There is this, you take your climbing rope and go around an object once then attach a biner on the end of the rope to the rest of the rope.. After that you can attach paracord or BS non-load bearing rope to the biner as well then after everyone is down just pull the secondary rope and it will pull the biner down to you.. Then all you have to do is unclip the biner and pull the rest of the rope free
The last way can be VERY DANGEROUS!! If you try this I recommend learning and practicing the knot ALOT it's called a Highwayman's hitch http://www.iland.n...ghwaymanshitch.htm Now if you go this route and there are multiple people (I wouldn't recommend this alone because if you mess the knot up you WILL fall and nobody will be able to help you) send everyone else but the last person down with it securely anchored then tie the knot for the last person (No need to risk everyone).. Also before the last guy goes down on this knot I would /highly/ recommend having one of the guys on the bottom hang on the rope to set and tighten the knot, and also test it (as he would only fall 'maybe' a foot and you could be falling god knows how far) the basic idea of this knot is this, the knot ties around an object leaving two ends, one end can support weight and just tightens the grip of the knot, the other end will untie the entire knot freeing it completely from the object dropping the rope to the ground.. So make /damn/ sure you grab the right side of the rope.. I can pretty much tie this knot in my sleep and I don't really like using it alot, but it's something good to know..
A few last things with the Highwayman's hitch is you can attach BS rope or paracord to the "untie end" and it won't eat up nearly as much rope as any other way, also makes it harder to grab the wrong side.. Also don't bounce around or kick off the wall, don't do random sudden stops.. This knot is kinda pissy, I'd recommend just smoothly go down without shifting around the rope alot..
I dunno if I really explained any of that well at all, but if you wanted any kind of further clarification feel free to PM me of just post again
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<Reply # 84 on 6/17/2007 5:11 PM >
| | | | yeah that really helped...just with two buddies of mine...i'm the heaviest...now IF i have a grappling hook...how would i go about it to attach it to myself with just climbing free hand...a harness??? how would i attach it to to the rope....
second problem... if i was to grapple a building in general, what kinda objects do i find that i can use the pulley system on ???( where I anchor a fellow ninja down)
thanks.
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Pravus
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<Reply # 85 on 6/17/2007 8:35 PM >
| | | | Posted by James_Bond
yeah that really helped...just with two buddies of mine...i'm the heaviest...now IF i have a grappling hook...how would i go about it to attach it to myself with just climbing free hand...a harness??? how would i attach it to to the rope....
second problem... if i was to grapple a building in general, what kinda objects do i find that i can use the pulley system on ???( where I anchor a fellow ninja down)
thanks.
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depends on the condition of the building, but random piping, rebar, I Beams.. Use anything you can thats solid, give it a kick, if it moves find something else..
As for climbing freehand, I'm not sure but you 'could' pretty much wrap the rope around your waist/chest.. But I wouldn't really say thats the best idea.. Just try different way and see how you can work it the best.. But I'd recommend just getting a climbing harness..
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<Reply # 86 on 6/19/2007 1:37 AM >
| | | | do you think if i had a few carabiners on my belt, make series of large knot( that's bigger than the beaners) and a nice pair of gloves...that would prevent my fall? I'm trying to be as stealthy and light as possible....especially when climbing harnesses are heavy and sometimes loud...one more thing..where do i find grappling hooks...used them from a friend...except he made it...i want to find ones for myself...and sturdy ones.
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<Reply # 87 on 6/19/2007 6:53 AM >
| | | | Posted by James_Bond
do you think if i had a few carabiners on my belt, make series of large knot( that's bigger than the beaners) and a nice pair of gloves...that would prevent my fall? I'm trying to be as stealthy and light as possible....especially when climbing harnesses are heavy and sometimes loud...one more thing..where do i find grappling hooks...used them from a friend...except he made it...i want to find ones for myself...and sturdy ones.
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Problem with using your belt is if it's a cheap belt it could tear.. even if the belt is sorta made for that stress (think riggers belt) your belt loops are likely not that strong, so you could fall out of the belt in all reality.. Sport harnesses are very light, some are ultra light if you shun a few bells and whistles.. For the most part I don't see how 'any' sound could come from a harness unless you load it up with biners and like the jingle around.. In all reality the best way I see a harness is get one that has the leg straps that disengage so squatting is easier and you don't have straps digging into your thighs, and the only biner you 'need' could be packed away or if you want one instantly available just clip one on the front in the ready.. maybe one or two more on the sides if you have a harness with the lil loops on the sides... Which is pretty much what we do when we go out, if we need or use the rope or not we normally just wear the harnesses..
As for the hook it depends on how much you are willing to spend for a store bought hook.. If I had the cash to just blow on any random ass hook I'd likely get the TRG Grabber (http://www.trgear....hp/products_id/210) But cheaper ones are readily available (http://www.tbotech...grappling-hook.htm).. The second one is the one we use, we actually have a few because a friend of mine found them dirt cheap (I think he got a few for like $5 each).. If you get the second it's kinda a piece of crap, it gets bent out of shape every once and a while, after a few times it seriously bends and we have to bent it back we junk it (after all you don't want it to snap on you eventually) also it normally comes with rope.. Burn it.. it's worthless, totally worthless unless you need rope to do something like tie down tarps.. We had the rope actually snap while I was on it, all the people that have ever used that rope weigh in somewhere around 140lbs to 180lbs, so it's not like a 2 tonne man was trying to climb it..
When you get your nifty brand new hook you will need rope.. I'd recommend using something like 11mm static line.. Now if you don't know much about climbing ropes (or at least less then me, because I don't claim to know all that much) there is Static rope and Dynamic rope.. each has their uses, but for ascending/rappelling I would recommend static line.. Dynamic rope has alot of elasticity in it so it can take the abuse of someone falling thats connected to it, however that doesn't matter much when you are climbing the rope its self... Static will have ALOT less 'bounce' as you climb, which is nice.. There are various other bonuses each has, I don't fully remember all their points though.. Most important of all, don't go to the hardware store and pickup some BS clothesline..
other things that are nice is a Fig 8, or other kind of descender (I would highly recommend getting one that allows you to lock it off, mostly because thats just bad ass) and at least one ascender or learn a prusik knot.. things like that give the rope and hook a little more uses and flexibility..
I think I have made a long enough post though..
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<Reply # 88 on 7/1/2007 4:47 AM >
| | | | I've recently been really interested by grappling hooks, but have one question...
How does descending work? and how do you get the hook off the wall once descended?
sorry to sound so newb :/
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<Reply # 89 on 7/1/2007 6:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by Cypre
I've recently been really interested by grappling hooks, but have one question...
How does descending work? and how do you get the hook off the wall once descended?
sorry to sound so newb :/
thanks.
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Cypre
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<Reply # 90 on 7/5/2007 7:45 PM >
| | | | I've got some metal bending q's:
I have 3 steel rods (1/2 inch) I want to use for a grappling hook. Anyone help as to how I would be able to bend them?
I tried a blowtorch, but I think it would take 5-6 mins to get each joint hot enough to bend... there must be an easier way?
Is there somewhere I could take them to be bent? (ie: hardware store...)
Thanks!
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<Reply # 91 on 7/5/2007 7:50 PM >
| | | | Probably the best choice would be to find a local sheet metal fab shop. They have presses and such to do that.
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<Reply # 92 on 7/5/2007 8:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by Cypre
I've got some metal bending q's:
I have 3 steel rods (1/2 inch) I want to use for a grappling hook. Anyone help as to how I would be able to bend them?
I tried a blowtorch, but I think it would take 5-6 mins to get each joint hot enough to bend... there must be an easier way?
Is there somewhere I could take them to be bent? (ie: hardware store...)
Thanks!
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youre going to hurt yourself--buy a ladder.
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<Reply # 93 on 7/6/2007 12:14 AM >
| | | | Well its been a while but I got a electric ascender in the works, with the parts of a electic scooter 200watt motors has got some torque when turning a capstan winch.
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<Reply # 94 on 7/6/2007 5:11 PM >
| | | | I remember when I was 12 some idiot troublemaker who lived up the road from me came down past my place to visit our mutual friend. This one time he brought a homemade grappling hook that looked like the ones shown on this thread. So he takes it and tries to climb with it; throwing it over my friend's shed to hook onto the eves on the other side. The first time he gets about 3' up, the hook bends, and his whole 100lb skinny frame lands flat on it's ass.
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<Reply # 95 on 7/6/2007 5:48 PM >
| | | | I just tie a chipmunk to a length of poisoned ivy and that works just fine for me. Gophers work too but they can't climb as high in trees.
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<Reply # 96 on 7/12/2007 7:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by James_Bond
do you think if i had a few carabiners on my belt, make series of large knot( that's bigger than the beaners) and a nice pair of gloves...that would prevent my fall? I'm trying to be as stealthy and light as possible....especially when climbing harnesses are heavy and sometimes loud
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Just buy the harness. Really. I used to use military webbing belts... one around the waste and one over,behind, and up between the legs. It was all well and dandy till one of em gave out - half way down an elevator shaft. My friend still has the scar from trying to stop her slide... (for some reason, without using the self-belay. Which you should learn. Use a prussik or a klenhurst (sp?) knot. The latter is more usable.) My harnesses are light, black, and quiet. I mean I would have to try pretty hard to make noise with them, and would have to take it off my body first.
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<Reply # 97 on 8/28/2007 9:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by Cypre
I tried a blowtorch, but I think it would take 5-6 mins to get each joint hot enough to bend... there must be an easier way?
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Dude... It shouldn't take you anywhere near 5-6 minutes to bend a piece of steel like that with a cutting torch. Are you talking about an actual oxyygen/acetylene torch, or were you trying to do with a dinky propane bottle torch or something?
If you've got access to an actual cutting torch... Just take your steel, heat up where you want to bend until it's glowing red. Then throw that piece of steel into a vice as quick as you can and whack it with a small sledgehammer. It'll bend right over. It does weaken the steel somewhat, though.
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secretdestroyers
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<Reply # 98 on 9/28/2007 11:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by A-BOMB
Its stronger than it looks, it all 5/8" and the wingnut locks with a cotter pin.
And the rope is 100 feet of 7/8" 1780# test. I tried launching it with my golfball cannon, and it near killed me I tied the end of the rope to my jeeps bumper and shot it when it hit the end of the rope it came flying back at me.
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i think i missed the cotter pin
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