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1 2 3 4 5 6   UER Forum > Archived Old Forum Issues > Forum Security Vote (Viewed 1849 times) Poll Question: Please read the question in the post below. Total Votes: 103 1. Leave everything as-is. Everyone should use their own discretion in their posts. 34 33.01 % 2. Allow only registered users to view the forum and the LDB. (this means that forum membership will literally freeze, since noone will be able to see shit without registering, but there's no extra security since anyone can register) 12 11.65 % 3. Seperate some of the forum sections, and allow only registered users to see them and the LDB. 13 12.62 % 4. Same as above, except allow the public to see a limited version of the LDB -- just pictures, no info. 28 27.18 % 5. Seperate some of the UE sections and the LDB, and only give **approved** registered users access to them. Post below with how the approval system would work. 14 13.59 % 6. I have a better solution (post below) 2 1.94 % Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Forum Security Vote < on 11/18/2003 1:53 AM >   Ok, this is an issue that has been brought up many times and I'd like to put it before you people in an unbiased way. IF YOU DO NOT KNOW THE ISSUES AT HAND PLEASE DO NOT VOTE. The question: Currently, the forum and the LDB is publically readable to all. It's listed in search engines, and topics are easily found. What do you feel should be done? Vote above. [edit: tried to make title more calm, since issue is resolved] [last edit 11/20/2003 3:38 PM by Ninjalicious - edited 1 times] huskies - such fluff. Decoy  Location: Leslieville Gender: Male Oh I have slipped the bonds of earth...  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 1 on 11/18/2003 2:11 AM >   "Allow only registered users to view the forum and the LDB. (this means that forum membership will literally freeze, since noone will be able to see shit without registering, but there's no extra security since anyone can register)" Can you clarify what this means? I mean, how will forum membership freeze if anyone can register? I don't think I'm understanding this option correctly. EDIT: I figured it out, n/m. Also, can people who register for the forums subject to screening? Can "pre approved members" like yourself, ninj, crossfire etc... (admins as well as longtime users and trusted people) screen new members before they are recieved into the community? How would the option of limiting the views of approved members work? Would you be vouched for by a member of this group and then go through an email questionairre or something? That's something that I'd like to see. [last edit 11/18/2003 2:14 AM by Decoy - edited 1 times] It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pitty To be lookin' at the board, not lookin' at the city. The Lost Flock  Location: Montreal, QC Gender: Male baaah.  |  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 2 on 11/18/2003 2:16 AM >   How about anyone can register and see the forums, but has to pass a discretionary period before they can accede to certain functions, such as the LDB, or certain forums. That way we can kinda sound people out beforehand. -The Lost Flock The Lost Flock is finding it's way. Scaffolding is like monkey bars for adults. Mr. Motts  Noble Donor Location: Long Island and Brooklyn NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 3 on 11/18/2003 2:40 AM >   but there's no extra security since anyone can register Option 2 seems pretty self-defeating. I'm all for tighter access to the LDB, but has anyone planned a method to "screen" people? Like what gives someone the privlege to access the LDB, etc. I forsee some disputes about this touchy area, and some people might decide thier vote based on the screening process. Save the planet... kill yourself. http://www.opacity.us/ - Abandoned Photography Decoy  Location: Leslieville Gender: Male Oh I have slipped the bonds of earth...  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 4 on 11/18/2003 2:41 AM >   Flock: Yeah, that makes a bit more sense. That way its sort of a a group consensus on who can get in and who can't, rather than one or two people's decision. So like, if after a month (or whatever period is set hereafter), a person can call a vote (probably need to have a seperate section for this) on wether or not they should become "full members". Then only full members can vote them in. [last edit 11/18/2003 2:42 AM by Decoy - edited 1 times] It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pitty To be lookin' at the board, not lookin' at the city. 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 5 on 11/18/2003 2:56 AM >   I came to this page because of the curiosity factor. I wanted historical info on a site I was looking at. I did not care how to get in, how not to get caught, how to do something stupid like disabling a lock with an emp, or anything else. I wanted to see pictures, which would allow me, without the time to view fantastic abandonded place in locations I would most likelely never see such as Kitchener, Nevada , Atlanta, e.t.c., or even upstate NY where Jester thinks we all inbreed and shoot each other. If you're an inquisitive person such as myself, you may never want to visit the sites you look at, even if they are just down the street, you just want to marvel at a forsaken building that someone else has taken the time to find a way into. Even after doing this for many years, I started internet searching by looking for a site listing "abandoned missile silos", and "abandoned military installations" I was taken with the possibility that one of these gems could be right in my backyard. That didn't happen, but I enjoyed the hell out of looking at the pics. I think that's the way most people are. These sites are known to most people, including the police, and will always be. To think this site gives information to cops and vandals, you would be crazy. Ever go to an "undiscovered " site and not see graffiti everywhere? That's because w'ere not the only people that are interested in exploring. Keep it open, or else you'll find less and less people contributing/looking at this site. Lastly, to drive the point home, I'll bet 90 percent of the forum members on this site have never explored/ infiltrated anything more serious than their parents liquor cabinet. I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. Samurai  Vehicular Lord Rick Location: northeastern New York No matter where you go, there you are...  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 6 on 11/18/2003 3:06 AM >   tony, i know where there are abandoned missile silos in my backyard... pm for details :o) I knew this day would come... We as a group have reached a turning point. I think I am going to have to say that we should limit the info on how to get to a certain place, but say what state it is in, or even what city it is close to. That should keep it vague enough to deter vandals, punks and arsonists. Also, and this is aimed at the moderators of each forum- When we have a new member (I myself am a fairly new member) register with the site, I propose that the prospective member have a temporary limited membership pending 1)participation, 2)conduct 3) and overall "feel" of the persons' character (i.e. what their intention is concerning urban exploration). This is alot of work for the moderators to really pull off, but it could make this site really choice, the Cadillac of UE sites. Either way, I'm sure everything will work out to a happy conclusion. Samurai [last edit 11/18/2003 3:12 AM by Samurai - edited 1 times] 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 7 on 11/18/2003 3:17 AM >   But I might be a cop, and thanks to this site, I will radio the troops and send over an extra detail to keep out you pesky urban explorers. Christ, with extra security, we might bust , oh say 1 explorer every two years or so! The police union thanks you for the added overtime. All tongue in cheek, for those of you with a sense of humor. And just as I was about to get all pissed off, Samurai goes and sparks my curiosity again! I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 8 on 11/18/2003 3:23 AM >   I think if you want to read some of the posting areas you should have to register. That way joe police cant as easily with out adding on. Also do you guys have a dorment account shut off thingy.... errr What I mean is after not posting or coming on for a certian amount of time your account is blocked tell you talk to admin. That would have the possiblity of cutting cops. I dont post anything on here I dont care a cop to see. I actually just talked to a cop stuck over here about it. He was ammused. I however totally disagree with Saumi's (errr sp) idea about limited member ship. There are two many people on here that bash newbies for newbie questions staments. I also believe that if a Mod gets to choose if you come on or not limits it to people you like. I think thats bull. I probably would never have gotten in. [last edit 11/18/2003 3:27 AM by Mark - edited 1 times] "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" Avatar-X  Alpha Husky Location: West Coast Gender: Male yay!  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 9 on 11/18/2003 3:30 AM >   (excuse the lengthiness of this post, i just feel that the story told herein is important to this issue) I, personally, am for the freedom of information. Before I knew about UE, I only had a vague interest in seeing stuff like this, I never really thought to actually do it, that it was even something that could be done. I'd see a door and wonder "what's behind it?" and soon the thought would pass from my mind. Inadvertantly, I stumbled upon Ninj's page after someone informed me there were abandoned subway stations in Toronto. "Really?" I exclaimed, and rushed to my computer to check it out. I immediatly ordered back issues of Infiltration, and harrased Ninj via email when they took more than a few weeks to arrive. Finally, they did, and I drooled over them, reading every story. I scoured the web, looking for more, and went out in the TTC to see if Infiltration was accurate. However, it was difficult for me to get out and do these things, it was more like a dream -- I envied people like Ninj, admired them, idolized them. Almost a year passed, until I had moved out of my mom's place and the weather started warming that I started thinking about this Infiltration stuff again. I found the UEC website and it's guestbook, and began posting there. Soon, I organized a trip to the Malt Plant with a friend of mine, neither of us had done something like this before. Looking back, we were lucky not to get caught. But it was incredible. Posting about my experiences on the UEC guestbook, I asked if anyone out there was willing to give me a tour of the MP. A week later, a sudden email from Nvr2Loud and hastily-arranged plans resulted in a visit that very night. I met Nvr2Loud and Tekriter, the first two real UEers I'd meet. They showed me all I missed, and I had a great time. Over the next couple of months, I was invited on two or three other missions. I created my first website, but found that I didn't have the stamina to keep something like that up to date. Inspired by UECs guestbook, I decided to build a forum that could be shared by more than one website. I approached Ninj and UEC with the idea, and after some discussion and a slow start, the forum was up and running. Membership increased, more sites like Wraiths joined in, etc etc and here we are now. My point is: Where would we be, if Infiltration Magazine did not exist? If sites like UEC and Wraiths had never been made? How many of us owe our current interest in UE to the writings and photographs of others? Of course, this forum wouldn't exist, and I would have missed out on making a lot of awesome friends and seeing a lot of awesome stuff, as I'm sure holds true for most of you. Discretion is good, but complete cencorship is damaging. huskies - such fluff. Macsbug  Noble Donor Location: St. Paul, MN Gender: Male Safety First!  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 10 on 11/18/2003 3:31 AM >   I think whatever happens, everybody could use some common sense posting the location details. I dont see how posting the exact street address is nesissary for someone to enjoy reading about a location, and I dont see how someone who would care enough to find and go to a location would be unable to find it elsewhere. I PM'd krazy earlier thanking him for keeping a St. Paul location vague, even though it is probobly the most visited drain in the area (or close to), becouse I see some fun in searching for a location on one's own, and becouse by not posting as many specifics, it decreases the odds of a location being "burned". This had nothing to do with destroyed locations, they are free game for public info in my book (and I think most everyone else's). "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." Noah Vale  Location: Portland, Or It's nobler to never get paid, than to bank on shit and dismay  |  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 11 on 11/18/2003 3:32 AM >   Another idea that I think has been brought up before would be to give new members a "big brother/sister," someone who has been around a while and who knows how the forum works (i.e. the Search feature) and can answer their "lil bro/sis's" questions via PM. A sort of mentor program for the site...but at the same time, I feel that if this sort of thing were around when I registered, I would have been turned off and not registered at all...thus preventing new blood from entering the forum, which would inevitably lead to stagnation. I voted #4 EDIT: Wow. 3 posts in the time it took me to pump this out...Av does make some good points...I think we need to use discretion, don't post addy's etc...Similar to Av, if it were not for Infiltration, I would not be doing this sort of thing either and to deny someone else the benefits I have reaped from this hobby, simply for self-protective interests, is not fair. As for the vandal thing, I don't think vandalism is very pre-meditated, using the internet to search for places to smash windows and tag shit. It is a crime of opportunity, and having a LDB is not going to aid the vandals to any great degree in my opinion. [last edit 11/18/2003 3:43 AM by Noah Vale - edited 1 times] "Dallas is a magnificent and wide open city, and I'm deeply envious of any urban explorers who have the good fortune to live there." -Ninj. 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 12 on 11/18/2003 3:32 AM >   Yur right. Their ar two many people that bash newbiez question statements. That sucks. I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 13 on 11/18/2003 3:40 AM >   Now the big brother program thing is freaking awsome. We do that on this Martial Arts board. It is very successful. You could sticky note to the tops and say these people 1 2 3 are avaliable for PM for questions if you are new. I hate seeing the new guys get razzed so much. Yeah I am new but I do know enough and have lurked here for a good while. I would be glad to do it. Also the guys probably should be objective or point out posts that have both sides of the story. I still think the lessons tutorial section should be secured unless registered just for the Lock picking sake. That will keep the vandel crowd down a bit. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" Mr. Motts  Noble Donor Location: Long Island and Brooklyn NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 14 on 11/18/2003 3:42 AM >   Posted by tonydukes Ever go to an "undiscovered " site and not see graffiti everywhere? Yes I have, in a pretty dense urban area.. and it was gorgeous. I think cops have better things to do than look on the web for sites, but I'm sure a lot of kids don't. Maybe vandalisim isn't much of a problem upstate because it takes an hour to get anywhere, but it's different in the cities. Maybe your opinion will change after seeing a place you liked get razed to the ground. Or maybe I'm just a bitter person 8] Save the planet... kill yourself. http://www.opacity.us/ - Abandoned Photography 'Dukes  Noble Donor Gender: Male At least someone llikes me  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 15 on 11/18/2003 3:48 AM >   My point was that there are very few places that are "undiscovered" that aren't filled with tagging. I.e. you aren't the first and won't be the last. I can see in the city how you feel though, there are so many people, and can understand when you see a good site get 86'd. However, there is a good chance that would have happened anyway. I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. Stalker  Location: Hamilton Your Resident Red Commie Bastard  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 16 on 11/18/2003 4:00 AM >   History and pictures I believe have to publicly available. Rest is for registered users only. Photography forum have to be publicly available as well as Tutorials. I think there have to be 4 forum sections publicly available. General, Tutorial, Photography, Others. I know that will be a hell of the job to approve all registration requests for moderators. But I think it worth it. P.S. And yes I agree with AV. Total censorship is not good. But giving up just enough information for people to become interested and to find other info on their own - is a good idea. I would never know that one of the largest cave systems in Ontario exist right under my house if I would not search, go to library, speak with geology professors in university. People who is not really into UE will not go trough piles of old newspapers, read trough 20 pages to find few words. Why worry about it all info infront of their eyes. Thats why I'm not so big about Forum more about Location DB. [last edit 11/18/2003 4:20 AM by Stalker - edited 1 times] uem-Wotan  Noble Donor Location: Montreal Gender: Male  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 17 on 11/18/2003 4:26 AM >   I think #4 is a good idea, and this is my small contribution to how it could work out. Have new members on a "probation" period. Say, 10 days. During that period, they can see the most used forums (Main, Other, Website Updates, etc...) and post but can still only see the pictures in the LDB, nothing more. New members will become full members (and get access to everything) if: 1) They go 10 days without an admin/moderator flagging them for idiocy/spamming/trolling/etc. This may demand more moderators and more precise guidelines for what is acceptable and what isn't. If new members are flagged by a moderator, their account is deleted and the email associated with it is flagged too. 2) They log in at least a certain number of times in those same 10 days. If they do not log in enough, their account is deleted, but email is not flagged. This can easily be automated. I'd say 3-4 times should be enough, perhaps more. I'm sure you could add more ideas to this list. I'm aware that it would demand additional work by moderators and that it could lead to some feuds - e.g., somebody invites a friend to the forum and a mod ends up flagging him - but still feel it's a worthy proposal. Asbestos, schmestos! CMH  Gender: Male  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 18 on 11/18/2003 4:34 AM >   Talking about UE is ok. The location database is the worrisome thing. I say only somewhat established members can jack with it... since unregistered users won't contribute anything anyway. We have a private forum feature don't we? If people would use it better it could take care of some problems about posting on a public forum. "It's funnier that way." Shane  Moderator Location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male  |  |  |  |  |  Re: * Forum Security Vote * ALL READ! <Reply # 19 on 11/18/2003 4:36 AM >   I voted for 4 and I like wotan's idea, but instead of requiring logins, I'd say require a certain amount of posts without them getting flagged (in addition to requiring a certain period of time to pass). If not, people could just sign up, lurk for a few days, and then have full access. It's a bit better if we make them get involved and contribute a bit to the discussions, even if it is just asking questions. Maybe set it up so that the initial registration doesn't require a mod to approve it, but the final one does? "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. 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