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< Reply # 860 on 5/14/2006 6:16 AM >
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I'm thinking about the stored buildings on Seal Street? Will I be arrested or have to eat sushi? Seariously though, you are likely right about the Cops gearing up for summer. I checked the roundhouse grounds the other day, no problems, and some other explorers drove right in to the yard.

Then I went into an empty parkade on Sunday. Surprised to meet a security guard at the top floor, which was totally locked up, due to vandalism, people shooting up? He was a bit vague, said okay to take some photos, but "we never had this conversation".

Wow, security? in a parkade on a sunny Sunday afternoon in Victoria? guess I'm outa touch or something. Btw, anyone else notice that excavation around Cormorant that reveals the back of a bank vault. A bit odd, the back of the building has been ripped open, just dial up the right combo, rock them tumblers, who knows whats in there, maybe just Pink Air, right Claire? Yeah, I like the B 52's, flashback stuff...

Anyway, what time is it kids? That's right it's Tunnel Time! So talk about tunnels or find another thread Ted! Okay okay...

So I'm at this art thing the other night, and talk with someone who has a shop in the downtown area. He tells me a story about how the shop owners of a place on Johnson Street decided to bore through the back of a bricked in archway in the rear of their shop. (This was discussed on an earlier thread, but I don't remember hearing that what they discovered appeared to be quite obviously filled in)

They "break on through to the other side" (RIP J.M.) and discover a lot of sand and gravel. Whatever was back there had been filled in by the City. And there obviously was a space back there. I was told a similar story down by the Conference center, part of the street collapsed, so they had to fill it in. That ties in with the mysterious red door access in the Empress parkade.

Anyone have any recent discoveries or stories? Water levels are dropping as we speak

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< Reply # 861 on 5/14/2006 7:33 AM >
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They "break on through to the other side" (RIP J.M.) and discover a lot of sand and gravel. Whatever was back there had been filled in by the City. And there obviously was a space back there. I was told a similar story down by the Conference center, part of the street collapsed, so they had to fill it in. That ties in with the mysterious red door access in the Empress parkade.




I think a very plausible explanation can be found here:

http://islandnet.c.../report/prisms.htm

(from KK's thread a few pages back)

In Vancouver these "areaway's" as they're known are usually filled in as the City is forced to deal with them when redevelopment permits are filed. They are very expensive to bring up to code, as they have to withstand the weight of a fire truck, so usually they're filled in, and paved on top. The Sam Kee building in Vancouver is an exception where they've been restored. The old
Hotel Europe in Gastown has areaways that are deteriorating, so the city filed them with pea gravel that can easily be sucked out should somebody want to restore the areaway at a later time. A developer in the 500 Beattie St is actually going to install lights shining from below for a unique look.




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< Reply # 862 on 5/14/2006 5:27 PM >
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I think a very plausible explanation can be found here:

http://islandnet.c.../report/prisms.htm

(from KK's thread a few pages back)

In Vancouver these "areaway's" as they're known are usually filled in as the City is forced to deal with them when redevelopment permits are filed. They are very expensive to bring up to code, as they have to withstand the weight of a fire truck, so usually they're filled in, and paved on top. The Sam Kee building in Vancouver is an exception where they've been restored. The old
Hotel Europe in Gastown has areaways that are deteriorating, so the city filed them with pea gravel that can easily be sucked out should somebody want to restore the areaway at a later time. A developer in the 500 Beattie St is actually going to install lights shining from below for a unique look.



Correct. In Victoria, these are the extended basement spaces that were (allegedly) connected from one to the other in a long tunnel-like (tunnel-esque) passage. They were part of the building property, and thus were NOT part of city property. Public sidewalks were on top of them, and when something went wrong, e.g. opened up, etc, the city came along, invented a reason to condemn the space, and finally, fill it in. There were dozens and dozens of these...hundreds, possibly. Many have been filled in. Many more have not. Presently, the city hasn't a firm number on those that remain. Property owners/retail owners/managers/etc. that have access to them obviously would rather NOT have the city know about their spaces, as they represent additional storage space...free storage space.

They also represent (allegedly) spaces where members of Victoria's homeless...indigent...addicted...seek shelter.

Some of the spaces extend up blocks and around corners and under streets. Johnson and Pandora around market Square is a good example of this. The trick is finding the one or two un-filled spaces whether the market Square location, or up near yates/Douglas or Johnson/Douglas...or even down by Broughton/Warf, that connect to more extensive networks.

Apparently...and I've seen this...well, two guys who 'convinced' me...one may enter Point A (Warf/Broughton) and exit near Broughton/Douglas. Also, I've heard (one of my panner-buddies) that this route can take you in a more or less straight line from Broughton/Douglas to Johnson/Douglas. If this is true, you can go from Johnson/Douglas to Broughton/Warf.

There are a couple of stories about openings/spaces along Warf, which includes the big orange archway where the HBC warehouse used to be. This connects to the spaces (alleged) in Bastion Square. It also leads down to Store St. (allegedly) and on down past the Streetlinks Shelter.

If people are interested, sooner or later one of us will find that sweet spot that connects the major arteries of this system.




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< Reply # 863 on 5/14/2006 8:18 PM >
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I would say walk the streets and look for long stretches where the old glass skylights are still visible, or where a "poor mans" repair was done (usually just crude patches with blacktop covering the sidewalk glass). If, all of a sudden there is a brand new modern looking concrete sidewalk, you can bet that the city has come in and done the full meal deal, ie. built a retaining wall inside the basement, backfilled, then capped the top with a modern concrete sidewalk.

True what you say about the "free storage space". As soon as the city becomes aware of these areaways (in Vancouver, anyway) either by redevelopment applications, or property sale, they go after the property owner for easement encroachment fees. The property owner has to pay the going rate for the square footage of encroachment, as well as bring the area up to modern standards for earthquake and load bearing capacity. Often this cost is found to be prohibitive for just storage space, and the owner elects to abandon claim to the space and it is subsequently filed in. A piece of heritage forever lost.

Property owners also have to pay for encroachment overhead as well, in the case of decorative cornices or canopies, although the city often makes exceptions for these if they serve a useful purpose such as sheltering pedestrians from the elements (Hudsons Bay building on Georgia St in Vancouver).

Bottom line is that the city is more interested in filling these spaces in than preserving them. Under streets and sidewalks is becoming premium space for running services and utilities, phone, cable, fiber optic, water, sewer, gas, steam, etc all compete for space. A large void under the sidewalk complicates the installation of new services.

I like these spaces and want to see them preserved. I think the best way is for people to lobby for the heritage aspects and preserve them. If grants are available to rejuvenate an historic building facade, then surely a case could be made to preserve these areaways and glass sidewalks. Building owners that are interested in lighting them up from below are on the right track. As more people notice them, more will want to preserve them. I bet only 1 in 100 people actually give any thought to what they're walking on. Light it from below and they'll take notice....




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I'm wondering about this "road-level" increase mentioned about..oh...40 pages ago, right at the beginning. Do you think there's any chance of there being open street sections down there? or would it all be filled in?




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Most likely, large portions are filled in, and some are not...

A few times the street has opened up from the weight of a car, or just a collapse..Hey KK where was it that the big truck fell through the street? Remember?




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< Reply # 866 on 5/17/2006 9:38 PM >
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Most likely, large portions are filled in, and some are not...

A few times the street has opened up from the weight of a car, or just a collapse..Hey KK where was it that the big truck fell through the street? Remember?


Funny you should mention that.

I was walking up Johnson St. one afternoon and saw the ass end of a big big truck (my 2 1/2 year old son, who was with me at the time, said 'WOW DADDY TRUCK BOOM') sitting in a hole that used to be six inch-thick concrete side walk slabs and there were a bunch of city worker types hanging around on the ends of their shovels waiting for the order to Do Something.

Got fixed pretty quick. No more hole.




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Having taken a look at the very good research page on the sidewalk prisms (http://islandnet.c.../report/prisms.htm) my guess here is that there are no real major openings connecting whole lengths of tunnel together. Specifically, we're not talking about tunnels per se anyways, rather they are just extensions of victorian-era basements from contemporary businesses.
Put yourself in the shoes of some shop owner back in 1900; you don't want a single opening to your storage that you share with other store owners so they can get access to your basement from their businesses, you want an individual access point that you can secure. That isn't to say that there might not be entries to next-door basements, but I just don't think it would make sense to have a single shared entry point to each store's basement.
This is just my theory on the matter, though, so the only real way to figure this out is to locate a surviving access point to the storage areas. Considering the nature of these places, it would be sensible to have only two access points to such an area: one from inside the store (likely sealed up or covered over with drywall by now) and one from the street. Just look at the cutaway diagram the guy has on the research page: there would obviously have been some sort of grate or replaceable cover of some kind to lower freight down there.
On that point, I recently went down to the Yarrow building, to take a look at the prisms in person. On the east side of the building, in the sidewalk, there is a steel grate, in a spot where there would normally be a set of prisms. I took a look down through there, and I saw a green plastic lawn chair! Considering that the Yarrow has been preserved very well, my guess is that such a grate, or one it may have replaced, would be an access point from the street for use back in the day.
So, my point is, if we can locate a similar grate or covering on another building with prisms, outside, we may be able to find an entryway.




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Having taken a look at the very good research page on the sidewalk prisms (http://islandnet.c.../report/prisms.htm) my guess here is that there are no real major openings connecting whole lengths of tunnel together. Specifically, we're not talking about tunnels per se anyways, rather they are just extensions of victorian-era basements from contemporary businesses.
Put yourself in the shoes of some shop owner back in 1900; you don't want a single opening to your storage that you share with other store owners so they can get access to your basement from their businesses, you want an individual access point that you can secure. That isn't to say that there might not be entries to next-door basements, but I just don't think it would make sense to have a single shared entry point to each store's basement.
This is just my theory on the matter, though, so the only real way to figure this out is to locate a surviving access point to the storage areas. Considering the nature of these places, it would be sensible to have only two access points to such an area: one from inside the store (likely sealed up or covered over with drywall by now) and one from the street. Just look at the cutaway diagram the guy has on the research page: there would obviously have been some sort of grate or replaceable cover of some kind to lower freight down there.
On that point, I recently went down to the Yarrow building, to take a look at the prisms in person. On the east side of the building, in the sidewalk, there is a steel grate, in a spot where there would normally be a set of prisms. I took a look down through there, and I saw a green plastic lawn chair! Considering that the Yarrow has been preserved very well, my guess is that such a grate, or one it may have replaced, would be an access point from the street for use back in the day.
So, my point is, if we can locate a similar grate or covering on another building with prisms, outside, we may be able to find an entryway.


Ask Peterman about whether or not the basement spaces are connected in a long passageway under the sidewalks.

Go ahead...ask him.




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Ask Peterman about whether or not the basement spaces are connected in a long passageway under the sidewalks.

Go ahead...ask him.



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Sorry this may seem a little late or out of date, This is my first post, I found the site today, please be gentle. Here goes. There is an extensive system of tunnels and underground bunkers at the Albert Head training site. There are at least 2 entrances, one of which is covered by chain link fencing. The other is open, but has a few feet of water in the entrance which fills the tunnel and bunker. The entrance consists of a slight downward slope which is cement with cement retaining walls open to the sky. This entranceway is close to 70ft in length with large steel doors at the end. These doors are open and so is the chainlink gate behind them. There are numerous ventilation pipes in the vicinity of the tunnels, which would lead me to believe that there's quite a labryinth down there.
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DirtySanchez;

are those tunnels in use by the base or abandoned?

if there military tunnels, nothing new to that, although its still cool you located those entrances or what not.

any military base will have underground tunnels... probably...




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DirtySanchez;

any military base will have underground tunnels... probably...


But will they have Satanists in them?




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But will they have Satanists in them?


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Hi

Infiltrators

I have spent quite a few hours in the last few days reading all the posts in this thread and have enjoyed all the work done photos and links provided. TY.

The only experience I could tell you about is when my friend used to have a record store on Yates street called BOOMTOWN records we were having a beer in the basement and “Wood” was showing us around this old basement with no real solid floor.
In a corner there was an opening that he said went underground. I peaked my head in the whole and saw that there was indeed a tunnel that inclined. I could not see very far before it was swallowed in a dark oval.

I wanted to look further but he was getting freaked out about all the asbestos down there and my fear overcame my need to explore. I never went back but he said the tunnel led under the city. They all say that!!!!

The other spot that is gone now is the old cement factory behind Buchard Gardens. It has been torn down now but we used to have great party’s in there until my friend fell 40 feet and we had to get paramedics in to get him. That sucked and after that they took the place apart. Too bad. I have a picture of it somewhere from 92 or so and I can scan it in if anyone is interested.

I am a Victoria resident and have lived here all my life. (A long time) I am working on a book with my girlfriend about all the strange shit in Victoria that has gone down in the last 100 years. Mostly the supernatural side of Victoria with its history and Hysteria. A good chapter is going to be devoted to secret tunnels since they play such a huge role in local mythology and to this day people "know of a friend of a friend who say a guy in a robe in a tunnel" or all the "so-called secret Satanism" that takes place. Personally I think a lot of it is confusion of Wicca which a lot of you have already pointed out but not everyone reads webzines or forums.

TOMORROW is the big day 6.6.6. On the calendar so I’m planning on doing a video tour of Victoria in hopes of finding some proof or lack there of.

I am not Going out like Jesus.

I plan to report my findings good or bad.

I am new to the tunnel scene but would be interested in talking anyone as a guide around Vic to point out any Landmarks or tunnels related to the occult. I should clarify that the chapters on "Tunnels" and "Satanism" in Victoria are going to be different but due to their nature will tend to crossover a little.

Anyone (local only please) interested please let me know. Serious inquiries only please.

And no I’m not with the greater Victoria Police tunnel Vice branch. Or a hired thug from the Chamber of commerce.
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Look forward to exploring -D





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DirtySanchez;

are those tunnels in use by the base or abandoned?



They are abandoned now pretty much. They pump them out once in a while for training exercises. I've been in past the blast doors with the intention of exploring further, but time wouldn't permit it.




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But will they have Satanists in them?


I should hope so.




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there are no satanists


Yes there are. I've met a couple of them. Satanists. Real Satanists.




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Yes there are. I've met a couple of them. Satanists. Real Satanists.


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