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UER Forum > Canada: Alberta / BC > Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. (Viewed 1352568 times)
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< Reply # 980 on 7/21/2006 1:59 AM >
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From the site on the last post by Gorbalskorp:


"But local UE folks have also done some serious exploring – especially the extraordinary "J. Peterman" – and posted photos of their discoveries".

And Peterman takes the gold, good one man...




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Farewell and thank you... "I was doing something that I thought could have some impact someday. In many ways, it's really these photographs that kept me going creatively." Dennis Hopper
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< Reply # 981 on 7/21/2006 2:33 AM >
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Heyheyhey. Much appreciated. Thank you.

I have to also accredit KublaKhan and Tanuki. These guys are great.

We all must pat ourselves on the back for the large amount of information...factual or hypothetical that we have gathered on this thread. It has brought many interesting and knowledgable people out of the woodwork [Mr. A. Lien as well as others I am forgetting]

I propose a meeting of explorers in Victoria. Sometime this summer. After the OPEX in Vancouver (Which I will be attending).

What do you all think?

KublaKhan. You have given birth to a wonderful thread. Thanks.

[EDIT: Kubla wasn't BS'ing....I too saw Tanuki lift a manhole out of place with just his index finger....Gawd.]









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< Reply # 982 on 7/21/2006 2:50 AM >
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I always knew that ketchup/catsup thing would come back to haunt me. I was right. I'm always right about these things.




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< Reply # 983 on 7/22/2006 8:44 PM >
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Since M.M. Readers are here now……

Think I should do a review of his book having looked it over.
So I read this weeks local rag and love how they refer to Mr. Rod Cockford as the “historical Rumor control expert”. (How can a guy who’s been in the city less then a decade declare his himself an export on Victoria? ) Rod (My nom de plum for writer guy ) reviews the rants here stating we are convinced that there are Satanist running the show. I’m glad my tongue in cheek posts are being taken as gospel by a professional journalist. He then he proceeds to more or less write a review of this thread and post a link.
And nice of him to mention members in his fucking article. As some one who has been slapped with a fine for UE. I hope he (using his former skills as a trial lawyer ) is willing to shell out the coin to pay for or provide legal fees for anyone who gets pinched for trespassing. I’m going to turn the tables a little in the guy and not promote his book but mention that most of the book is just advertisements. Take a free travel guide and mix in your take on “the best of the city”
Any restaurant , pub or local band willing to pay to be in the book can be in it. That’s my opinion based on the fact that my friends band was in the first incarnation of the book. Take some local news ides(Rena Virk) as well as some basic local mythology that anyone can get who knows the color of a library card or likes to listen to the Tally-ho guys rant. The main problem with this book is that its dated as soon as it hits the stores.(at least 3 places mentioned in the book are already out of business) Also the “facts” are vague and I have it under good authority that there is already a lawsuit in the works.( Be careful who you piss off I guess)I would say it’s a fun book if you are a local and wanted to reference unrelated information in quick little disjointed snippets. The Guy is all over the map and should decide what he is an expert at. Get the book from the library don’t shell out the coin for it. There’s your free press.



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< Reply # 984 on 7/22/2006 11:21 PM >
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What are you talking about. The book is packed full of great stuff...including interesting facts on Victoria as well as myths and rumours.

Its very informative and has interesting historical places for tourists to check out and fun things to do.

It is kind of like a revised edition of this book featuring new information:


Posted by screamwriter
As some one who has been slapped with a fine for UE


What happened?




I've picked up a lot of information I did not know about the city I live in from this book. Two thumbs up. (It lists good restaurants to take my girlfriend to and fun things for my visiting relatives to do.)

As far as Mr. Crockford linking to this thread and "revealing" pictures and forum member aliases....all content on this thread is public domain if I'm correct.

I understand that there may be some differing opinions on what sort of effects may come from more and more light being shed on "urban masturbation" or whatever you want to call it. But although I can say that the more publicized this sort of thing becomes....the more locations get sealed, guarded, and raped by careless "explorers" or punk kids I am curious to see where this all goes....Arent you?




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< Reply # 985 on 7/23/2006 1:35 AM >
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Post by J PetermanWhat are you talking about. The book is packed full of great stuff...including interesting facts on Victoria as well as myths and rumours.





Well after that impassioned response anything I say will result in a flaming war. I just don't like the book for the reasons I layed out. I also said it had its use. BTW since you are mentioned on his Webb log is not your opinion sort of slanted?

"But local UE folks have also done some serious exploring – especially the extraordinary "JPeterman" – and posted photos of their discoveries."
- Mr Clockford


Fair Question.

No you are right I agree this is a public forum but it still has an aura of "shhhhh" around it as far as I have seen having read all this thread. So I don't see the need to add a link to this site that shows where people are going(exploring) and how to get there.(more or less) Its just asking for trouble. Like I said my opinion and only because I would hate for the keepers of the submarines to know we are on to them. And send more Satanists after us. :p

re; fine.

Nothing exiting just got caught in the cement factory after the media hype when my friend hit his head. They added extra security and we had not taken that into account. I think the point of my statement was perhaps less careful kids will discover this site. fuck them self’s up and cry mommy. Next thing you know the headline will be "Urban exploration" the biggest threat to our kids since meth "

Anyways read the book, make up your own mind. Shameless promotion shit just makes me roll my eyes.

Seriously though ask you’re friend if he is getting sued for any portion of the book cause I’m sure he is.

Peterman you have a wife? How old are you?



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< Reply # 986 on 7/23/2006 1:38 AM >
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BTW thats not really the same book you have (image) posted. Thats the first version of the book 'the unknown city "More or less the same thing but very dated as far as content goes.




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< Reply # 987 on 7/23/2006 1:47 AM >
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since you are mentioned on his Webb log is not your opinion sort of slanted?


It does not affect my opinion that my name is mentioned. Nor do I think it affects KublaKhan's after being mentioned in a widespread Victoria magazine. If I could have my way. I would completely take UE underground...as well as this site (or thread) Too much if any exposure is a bad thing.....but its almost inevitable.

ask you’re friend if he is getting sued for any portion of the book


What friend?

Peterman you have a wife? How old are you?


I dont feel comfortable releasing much information about myself

BTW thats not really the same book you have (image) posted. Thats the first version of the book 'the unknown city "More or less the same thing but very dated as far as content goes.


I said that Ross Crockford's book is kind of like a revised edition of that book but features new information

I do completely understand your opinion about his book but I just disagree.




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I just thought you look rather young to be married . But I will not ask anymore questions in to the nature of your true identity. First rule of fight club. Right? I could be profiling you for the local authorities. Or my Satanist friends

Re: "You're friend"

I was assuming you are in contact with Ron on a semi regular basis. If not no problem.

I heard he upset someone because of the section in his book mentioning a shrine to Alistair Crowley in lower market square.


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< Reply # 989 on 7/23/2006 4:33 AM >
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Recently surekill and I checked out the Douglas Darkie -named by reduxzero & Nancy Drew when they came over here a little while ago for some splorin' & spelunkin'

SK has some much nicer photos than the ones I took down there. Its a rather large cylindrical drain which at one long portion is made completely of wooden planks. Like you're standing inside a large wooden barrel.

Much of it is littered with graffiti.





surekill post your pictures they're great!



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I just thought you look rather young to be married . But I will not ask anymore questions in to the nature of your true identity. First rule of fight club. Right? I could be profiling you for the local authorities. Or my Satanist friends

Re: "You're friend"

I was assuming you are in contact with Ron on a semi regular basis. If not no problem.

I heard he upset someone because of the section in his book mentioning a shrine to Alistair Crowley in lower market square.

peace -screamwriter



Mind if I offer my $.02 on this issue?

Tough shit...here it is anyway.

The Monday thing went down something like this: Monday guy wanted to do a story on a mysterious spooky something or other to amp up a bit of slagging tourism biz for the city (tourism numbers are WAY low this season). He picks up the phone from his office and calls our author friend and, as he's asking questions, he types away, basically pasting quotes into a clever little page filler about Victoria's Mysterious Underground™, and then cites the author as an expert, and then claims to have called me for additional information.

Our author friend says something like, "Hey...I'm just doing my thing. You might want to talk to the people over at UER...cuz they're shit is wired tight.

And Monday guy responds with something like, "What's a UER?"

And our author friends sez, "You gotta be shitting me."

Something like that. Anyway, I received no such call. I wasn't contacted. I checked my phone log...and there's nadda there from Monday. Nothing.

Where he got his information concerning me is more of a mystery than the tunnel story. Maybe he followed me around and made notes and/or wore a disguise (I vaguely recall stumbling home from my favourite pub one night where I had the distinct impression that I was being followed by a large balding man with big glasses and a wooden leg. Or maybe it was a small round man with lots of hair and an eye patch. Like I said...I stumbled home...so who knows...it could have been my shadow cast by streetlights).

Now...our author friend, on the other hand, is a careful reporter of the Old School. He's basically a freelancer, so he must go out and actually find stories, research them and then write them. His gig isn't the sort of thing that an editor hands him on a Tuesday afternoon before deadline and says 'Write something on this not more than 500 words I need it in an hour' type shit that generally passes for 'journalism' these days.

Whatever. The cat's out of the bag now, and my personal feeling on this matter is that it was going to happen sooner or later.

Our author friend, being a professional, won't offer any incriminating information concerning UEing people, and certainly not anyone involved with the Under the Garden City project (it's beyond a 'thread' now...it's a project).

Crockford is a Good Person in my books.

I harbour no ill will toward the guy who did the Monday piece. In fact, if I ever meet him, I might thank him for generating additional hits for the thread.




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KK. How well do you know this author/journalist guy. I found his book more informative than the Monday Magazine article, and he's obviously put a lot of effort into researching the city's various 'hidden stories,' is he an approachable person?




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KK. How well do you know this author/journalist guy. I found his book more informative than the Monday Magazine article, and he's obviously put a lot of effort into researching the city's various 'hidden stories,' is he an approachable person?


He is an approachable guy. We've had pints a few times, and he's actually the person who turned me on to UEing. He's not some 'passing interest' sort of person...he has a genuine interest in this subject.

HOLY SHIT: 1000 replies to my original question. Does this make it legit?




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Our author friend, being a professional, won't offer any incriminating information concerning UEing people, and certainly not anyone involved with the Under the Garden City project (it's beyond a 'thread' now...it's a project). Crockford is a Good Person in my books.


Good enough for me. Just not a big fan of his book he might be a great guy but I though He used to be the head publisher for Monday. I’m confused are you saying YOU approached him to do a story about underground tunnels or you knew him before?

Is there a documentary forthcoming as mentioned

Where ARE the Satanists dammit?

More questions then answers. Just the way I like it.




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Good enough for me. Just not a big fan of his book he might be a great guy but I though He used to be the head publisher for Monday. I’m confused are you saying YOU approached him to do a story about underground tunnels or you knew him before?

Is there a documentary forthcoming as mentioned

Where ARE the Satanists dammit?

More questions then answers. Just the way I like it.



Personal taste in literature aside...

...I met him through a mutual acquaintance a couple of years ago at a writer-type affair that featured chilled Pino Gris and cute little puffy things filled with crab meat.

Ross and I drank beer. He's my kind of fella.

There are shitloads of documentaries being produced in Victoria, and for that matter, Vancouver Island. It isn't a hard line to draw in connecting dots between two points re: tourism and quirky Victoria Tourist stuff.

The Satanists are, from what I've been told, vacationing somewhere cold. My understanding is that they don't like heat, unless it's the metaphorical kind, or it involves ritual sex and sacrifice. They may be huddled together on an ice flow right now, planning their own March of the Penguins. Who knows?




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< Reply # 995 on 7/24/2006 5:13 PM >
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So I'm out and about wandering through my beloved city, enjoying the blistering heat, the retina-burning sunlight and tourist shirts, and I'm with the team...some of it anyway...and I wander in to some old building while A. Lien adjusts his fanny pack and J Peterman plots cold revenge against a squad of sinister highschool athletes, and as I'm looking around admiring the old brickwork and general mise en scene of the place, a man pops up from behind the counter and says, "Good afternoon. How may I help you?"

"Just curious, friend," I said. "It's an old building. I like old buildings."

"It is indeed a very old building. One of the oldest in the city. You from out of town?"

"In a round about sort of way. Every day offers new opportunities to learn something about Victoria."

"Indeed it does."

So I ask a few questions, and make careful mental notes and basically admire the lovely this and that and I say, "Any chance I could get a tour of this place?"

And my new friend says, "Sure. Step right this way."

As he begins, I hail Peterman and A. Lien and off we go.

My new friend tells us that he's new to town. Over from Vancouver. He loves it here.

"What's not to love," I say.

He's pointing to a bunch of interesting things, commenting, smiling. "Old vault over there. And this here used to be a holding cell back in the day."

We peer inside and sure enough it looks like a holding cell. Very small. Thick mortar layered between red brick like icing on a cake.

Then he takes us downstairs. It's a clean space, well lit, and on the far wall is some kind of plastered-over thing that's a bit dodgy. "I don't know how old this plaster is, but it's getting a bit sandy in some places. The stone wall," he says pointing to what is obviously an old stone wall," (likely reclaimed ballast from some ship from the early days) "blocks off a tunnel that goes right up the street."

"A tunnel?"

"Yeah. There are tunnels all over the city. I was told by the previous tenent (of the building) that there are tunnels all over the city and this spot is one of the entrances."

So I'm pondering this voluntary information, and I say something like, "How old is the wall?"

"I dunno. I just moved here. But the person who formerly occupied this building told me the first day I walked in that this wall once opened up to a tunnel that went all the way down the street." And he points in the general direction of the street. "She told me that the person who owned it before her plastered over it because it creeped him out. She told me that that person took a walk through the tunnel and ended up getting lost, making turns into other tunnels and just ended up lost. He found his way out, but he got pretty scared."

"Interesting," I said.

Peterman is shaking with excitement.

"Someone told me that there are still a few openings around town, but junkies have made shooting galleries out of them. Needles and bad shit and it's pretty sketchy. I wouldn't go in."

And I find this just a little ironic, as the guy works around blood and needles all the time.





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< Reply # 996 on 7/25/2006 9:41 AM >
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I think you folks are more likely than not somewhat insulated from the prying eyes of newspaper readers by the sheer size of this thread. I just read it all in one sitting (I don't even know how long it took, but it's 230 AM now), and if the size doesn't get them hopefully mavrix or the inside jokes about Jesus will. Thinking back to the start and the at times labourious, but interesting, discussion on stories, fact and reality, I didn't necessarily forsee the shifts and changes that occurred throughout. And I may just be tired but reading it all at once, I really notice contrasts like JP's first adventures in fibreglass to more successful exploring later on.

From a broader perspective, I feel that this thread encapsulates a lot about what urban exploration has the ability to be. A city is a dynamic place, constantly becoming through the dialogue of its citizens with the physical spaces and places within the urban. This thread illustrates this tie to place from a temporal perspective, what with all the archival work and history lessons, and a more grounded one as you all actually muck about in a city's guts.

Of course this dialogue is incomplete unless one takes social networks into account as well, because a city without people is something else entirely. Social connections have been made, both amongst the explorers and between them and the larger community. I found the inclusion of the homeless population as equal citizens and resources to be very interesting and enlightening.

Heck, there were even a few debates about the NEED for photos and how much info about a site is too much.

I was a little hesitant to post because there are only a few spots left before 999, and the culmination of the search. Of course given how I feel about the dynamism of cities I won't be too surprised/disappointed if this thing goes on for a little while yet.
Hope that wasn't too wordy or lost. Looking forward to more, but for now methinks bed's the thing!




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Hi, speaking of readin the whole thread, I haven't, so I apologise if what I relate here's been told in some form or other already, but I thought it would be useful.
I work at the Empress, often on the graveyard shift which means lots of free time to wander around the really vast and complex basements of the hotel, most of which are totally unused and basically abandoned. Some who read this may be going "we already know about the laundry tunnel," that's not what I'm on about. That tunnel was just for transporting laundry and just goes under Douglas st., the other end being the sealed door by the Budget rental place. Very little to it, doesn't connect to anything else-- talking to people who've worked at the empress for 30yrs or more, they all say it's not interesting at all, just a sealed stretch of tunnel several dozen yards long.
But the basement is another story, many (most?) parts of which are part of the original 1908 building. When I say "vast" I mean it-- one huge dark room after another, weird crawlways leading to other huge rooms-- a LOT of spiders--it's unreal. I found a fountain drink bottle down there that's gotta be 70 years old. It extends well beyond the actual base area of the building as seen from outside, and one of the larger sealed sections extends all the way under belleville st. to the museum...
Another note, One of the long term senior guys in my dept.-- guy in his 60s, lived here his whole life, worked at the empress since the '70s -- was telling me that an important entrance to the tunnels under the downtown core-- which he affirms absolutely do exist (he further claims to have stories about the city actively denying and covering them up, still need to hear)-- is under or near the old Masonic Lodge on douglas st, douglas and ? (can't remember, but it's the main st through present day china town)! I almost groaned when he told me that: like victoria tunnels don't already have enough mystery and intrigue surrounding them, now we have to get the masons involved too?! but he insisted it was the case and that he never went down there but remembers being told by friends who had (i know, again the firend-of-a-friend-said thing, whatever)the day it was finally sealed off, decades ago.

Actually, rather than go on at length now, and cuz I do intend to read much of this really interesting thread, could I just ask if someone could confirm if the Empress basements have already been covered here (re: their relation to the tunnels and other rooms under the city)? If they have then no point repeating it, although I've by now got pretty extensive first-hand knowledge of them (with the obvious exception that I haven't been into the sealed-off areas since as far as I can see you'd need some serious equipment to get in there).... anyone? if not I've got some good stuff to relate.
Should mention that, as an employee there, I have to be careful how I relate this info etc (yeh I have pics but will NOT post them online, only through email to people I've already talked to a fair bit) or else risk losing my job. Fairmont people are not to be f*&^ed with, trust me. I know the risk is fairly remote as long as I don't post photos online (but email's perhaps another matter...) and I don't say anything on here about how to get down there and where to find things, but still-- I like my job and want to keep it!
Thanks.




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< Reply # 998 on 7/26/2006 8:54 AM >
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Your information is most impressive wallabazoo, please continue to say whatever you are comfortable stating, without risking your job, or going so far as stencilling footprints and arrows to the access point Whether it's been discussed before, I do not believe is an issue on this thread. Repetition sometimes leads to clarification of details and new clues.

Your posted info here is of the level that my spidey senses almost suspect a trap...sorry nothing personal. However the trusting part of my nature over rules, (such a sap!) but not quite... I mean really, your script has 'slasher flick' written all over it in big red letters. Ya know we're 'dying' to find some tunnels, so you use the best lure in town to bring us underground. Then you and your hooded co-workers are there with the hidden faces and sickles, yada yada, I mean really, it's been done. Chomps cigar, next...

Okay, I'm kidding, got a little carried away, your descriptions were so exquisite, don't think I'll be falling back to sleep for a while.

I will PM -private message- you promptly after this note hits cyberspace.

Me thinks you are going to become very popular quite quickly. Would a vague photo or two really put you at risk? Better safe than not, I understand. There's been talk of the huge amount of pilings holding up the old girl, are any of these visible in the spaces you have been in?

Please be very selective of who you share your info with. Reading this thread, especially the last ten pages or so, you will quickly be able to get a sense of the handful of explorers who are seriously interested, (despite perhaps some of our discussions), and who have been putting solid substantial time into searching for clues. We will treat you and your info discreetly, and with the highest respect. Perhaps you are the 'Mr. X' whose name I was recently given, as someone who "would know about the building"

Certainly not everything known relating to the subject of this cult, (did I say cult?) pardon, 'thread' is posted here. I'm glad to have woken up at the stroke of midnight to find your post.

Your quote: "I almost groaned when he told me that: like victoria tunnels don't already have enough mystery and intrigue surrounding them, now we have to get the masons involved too?"

Ahh, who better though at building tunnels than the 'masons'?

As I said a few pages back, and was used as a closing line in the more recent article, in the weekly alternative paper that names itself after one of the days of the week. I'm trying to remember which one, (snicker "The truth is down there". You have helped confirm this belief, a belief that does not waver in the face and words of non believers...


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Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels.
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A. Lien is correct. Discretion is key.

PM (or email) your pics to me. They're safe, as is your job. Trust me.

The trick, as I see it, is to obtain a few crucial details from your fellow employee friend. Learn what you can from him, organize these details carefully, and check them out on your own.

Or rally the likes of KublaKhan, J Peterman, Tanuki and A. Lien. We can meet almost any time, any day.

Like most of what goes on around this story, the real gold comes NOT from office types, bureaucrats, city officials, etc. but from the working-end men and women who make the city tick. City workers, those whose tasks are located at the end of a shovel, are the people who have actually been inside many of the places Official Victoria claim do not exist. The guys I spoke with early on in my research worked for the city decades ago, long before the current administration paved the streets with denial. Their information is key, and their memories, though faded, make clear that something is absolutely and without fail beneath the streets. If they say 'vast underground tunnel system' I take it they mean something along the lines of a 'vast underground tunnel system,' and not a 'series of utilities tunnels that were built within the last 10 or 15 years.'

Those working the hospitality schtick, the servers, maintenance crews, grounds keepers etc. have a far better knowledge/understanding of their respective places of work than the managers who pay them. My guess is that if you wear a $100 tie and sit in a $600 executive office chair (with lumbar support, no less), you haven't been into the sub basement of the hotel you claim to know so intimately.

Thanks for your contribution, wallabazoo. Feel free to post what you will. Your efforts will be respected and valued.





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