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KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1885 on 1/23/2008 4:15 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by yoshkow Hey KK, I'm not calling you a liar, but I wonder if you could explain... Yoshkow
| Sure... Posted by A. Lien In polite Victorian society, one doesn't, (cough) dig through solid bedrock. However, the history of this tunnelicious town is anything but polite. The scrumptious veneer of (truly pleasant) high tea at the Empress serves as a delightful foil for the darker side of things. I've recently heard talk of 'lay lines', no, not those 1 900 phone sex conduits, but lines of geographical power. Apparently three major ones cross here. Some (with this knowledge) say this is an angry town. And suggest these power lines contribute.
| I think A.Lien's been drinking (again). Let me put it this way: 150 years ago, the gold rush summoned 20,000 miners from all four corners of the globe. I know. ..a globe is a sphere and a sphere doesn't have corners. Whatever. Some of these miners decided...or were commissioned to...blast a tunnel through almost 2 km's of this bedrock. The tunnel is still there, and can be accessed by CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED CENSORED and be sure to check tide charts. And for Christ's sake DO NOT tell anyone that I told you how to get in.
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| A. Lien
Location: Fantasy Island B.C. Gender: Male Total Likes: 17 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1890 on 1/24/2008 2:09 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by HermanHesse ...I think I'm going to leave this forum soon with a sense of certainty that these so called secret tunnels do not exist.
| "This is what it is... According to a random cement truck driver I got into a conversation with at lunch: His company got paid by the city to pour cement into a tunnel that was accidentally uncovered that ran from Harold St under Dragon Ally and into China town. Also it is rumored that Fan Tan Ally is three stories high/deep." Glad you are having second thoughts about leaving/disbelieving. Not quite as easy as you may think, the leaving thing... I was in an under sidewalk space where one end had been totally filled with concrete. Not even a barricade wall was built. Was like someone had poured dough into a bread pan with one end missing. I believe what you heard is +/- .000666 99.3% likely to be true. Keep asking questions and interrogating people. You Germans are especially good at it. (Hope that last comment was not outta line) P.S. "Also it is rumored that Fan Tan Ally is three stories high/deep." No rumor, just look up from the walkway.
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| yoshkow
Location: Victoria Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1891 on 1/24/2008 3:47 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | So I have been messing around in the archives and I constructed this very preliminary map of Victoria downtown streets. It is based on addresses listed in the 1863 city directory: I know Victoria was bigger than this, but it's just a start... I couldn't find modern day equivalents to Kane, Rae, James Bay, and Maclure. I figure one of them has to be Cook, another Fairfield, and another Belleville. James Bay must be Dallas Rd. A little research would easily find that information, I'm sure. The reason I am doing this is because I am convinced that we could find all the tunnels in Victoria based on where structures existed when the tunnels were dug/blasted. Nobody is going to tunnel to the middle of nowhere, right? KK, you said the tunnels you saw are about 150 years old; that makes the structures existing in the 1850's and 1860's starting and ending points for tunnels (assuming that the tunnels were blasted within a decade or two and that no tunnels were blasted after that time). This is just a small, rough start, but I would eventually like to write a little program that shows what structures and roads existed given an input date. With that time lapse information, the location of tunnel entrances and exits should just jump out at us. (I realize most access points are probably barred or destroyed now.) Has anybody, in their archival research, run across specific translations of the street numbers in 1905/7 and the translations for the old to modern street names? Lots of work ahead... Yoshkow
| “Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. Security does not exist in nature, nor do the children of men as a whole experience it. Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than exposure.” - Helen Keller |
| yellow_wallpaper
Location: Victoria, Canada Total Likes: 5 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1893 on 1/24/2008 4:28 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by yoshkow So I have been messing around in the archives and I constructed this very preliminary map of Victoria downtown streets. It is based on addresses listed in the 1863 city directory:
I know Victoria was bigger than this, but it's just a start... I couldn't find modern day equivalents to Kane, Rae, James Bay, and Maclure. I figure one of them has to be Cook, another Fairfield, and another Belleville. James Bay must be Dallas Rd. A little research would easily find that information, I'm sure. The reason I am doing this is because I am convinced that we could find all the tunnels in Victoria based on where structures existed when the tunnels were dug/blasted. Nobody is going to tunnel to the middle of nowhere, right? KK, you said the tunnels you saw are about 150 years old; that makes the structures existing in the 1850's and 1860's starting and ending points for tunnels (assuming that the tunnels were blasted within a decade or two and that no tunnels were blasted after that time). This is just a small, rough start, but I would eventually like to write a little program that shows what structures and roads existed given an input date. With that time lapse information, the location of tunnel entrances and exits should just jump out at us. (I realize most access points are probably barred or destroyed now.) Has anybody, in their archival research, run across specific translations of the street numbers in 1905/7 and the translations for the old to modern street names? Lots of work ahead... Yoshkow
| That's cool. I had an old family friend whose father owned a paint and oil store downtown on Fort. I have old city of victoria census info from the late 1800s, with old street names and the like. I'll dig out of my hope chest this weekend.
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| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1894 on 1/24/2008 4:35 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by yoshkow So I have been messing around in the archives and I constructed this very preliminary map of Victoria downtown streets. It is based on addresses javascript:high()listed in the 1863 city directory:
I know Victoria was bigger than this, but it's just a start... I couldn't find modern day equivalents to Kane, Rae, James Bay, and Maclure. I figure one of them has to be Cook, another Fairfield, and another Belleville. James Bay must be Dallas Rd. A little research would easily find that information, I'm sure. The reason I am doing this is because I am convinced that we could find all the tunnels in Victoria based on where structures existed when the tunnels were dug/blasted. Nobody is going to tunnel to the middle of nowhere, right? ; that makes the structures existing in the 1850's and 1860's starting and ending points for tunnels (assuming that the tunnels were blasted within a decade or two and that no tunnels were blasted after that time). This is just a small, rough start, but I would eventually like to write a little program that shows what structures and roads existed given an input date. With that time lapse information, the location of tunnel entrances and exits should just jump out at us. (I realize most access points are probably barred or destroyed now.) Has anybody, in their archival research, run across specific translations of the street numbers in 1905/7 and the translations for the old to modern street names? Lots of work ahead... Yoshkow
| Actually, what I said was that 150 years ago, 20,000 miners something something blah blah blah. ...and now that I re-read, I can see the misunderstanding. What I meant was that 150 years ago, Victoria kinda turned into a start point for the gold rush, and the city's economy flourished around that industry. Do a bit of homework along the lines of what were some of the industries that sprang up around oh say...Rock Bay. For example. Think of things one might require in a mining-type endeavour. The kinds of supplies...dangerous goods. Etc. etc. Now consider the amount of blasting that goes on around d/t today. One needn't blow shit up good to do a decent job of creating a pit into which one may construct a um...condo. For example. One needn't blast the neighbourhood to smithereens. It's really quite subtle. And if the blasting is conducted underground (and even within city limits) it isn't impossible to do this without being conspicuous. Something like that.
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| yoshkow
Location: Victoria Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1895 on 1/24/2008 5:25 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by J Peterman I can state with assurance from experience of extreme accuracy that there is not just a large myriad of tunnels snaking under all old buildings beneath the city. It is just simply a geographically obstructed impossibility.
| Yeah, I see what you're saying, but I didn't mean to imply that the road grid of the era directly mirrors the tunnel system, nor that every structure connects to a tunnel. I just mean that if we could accurately enough gauge the date of tunnel genesis, we could look for a correspondence between existing structures and tunnel openings. I don't think the tunnels would lead to the middle of a field (though maybe a body of water), but rather, more likely, the basement of an existing structure. Posted by J Peterman In many ways, it is comforting to know that the few tunnels that are around (for varying purposes, weather it be simple drainage or utility or ....the unknown) are not being exploited (right word??) like in Moosejaw. That is not to say that tunnel tours in Moosejaw exploit people, but perhaps the very tunnels and the myths themselves.
| Well said...and definitely the "right word". Is it not the very action of exploitation that robs the beauty from the beautiful? Out of curiosity, how endangered are these tunnels from city officials or wannabe UEers? How much time is left for few of us to discover this gem of Victoria? I feel like everyday some new condo is going up and some tunnel must be cemented in...
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| yoshkow
Location: Victoria Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 1897 on 1/24/2008 5:50 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by KublaKhan Actually, what I said was that 150 years ago, 20,000 miners something something blah blah blah. ...and now that I re-read, I can see the misunderstanding. What I meant was that 150 years ago, Victoria kinda turned into a start point for the gold rush, and the city's economy flourished around that industry.
| Oops...my bad. Thanks for the clarification. Posted by KublaKhan Do a bit of homework along the lines of what were some of the industries that sprang up around oh say...Rock Bay. For example. Think of things one might require in a mining-type endeavour. The kinds of supplies...dangerous goods. Etc. etc.
| Thanks for the advice. In my research will the decade be obvious? How old do you think the tunnels are? Not that I disbelieve you, but why would the equipment have to come from Rock Bay? Couldn't it have come earlier from Nanaimo and other mining facilities already in place on the mainland? Here is a quote from p.47 of a book by Macdonald, Duncan George Forbes (1823?-1884): "As early as June 1856, Governor Douglas reported to the Secretary of State the discovery of gold in British Columbia....the announcement was received, however, with comparative disbelief until June 1858, when the reported wealth of the Fraser River mines produced an excitement..." So, by the late 1850's there was mining equipment just across the pond. Couldn't the tunnels be that old? Yoshkow
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