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| | | Re: Abandoned Cars < Reply # 1922 on 7/11/2016 5:47 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Samurai
the 460 is a boat anchor. you're better off with the 351 Windsor.
| The 460 is not a boat anchor. It's used to power motorhomes. The 351 Windsor is a great engine, no doubt, but it's 30 years old. A new 460 block with aftermarket heads, headers, and, well, everything, will make 11.6:1 compression or higher (reverse dish pistons!). It's what I want to do with my car. It's not necessarily "logical" but whatever. In the end, what I want is all that really matters.
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| | | Re: Abandoned Cars < Reply # 1932 on 7/24/2016 2:32 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Samurai
so that makes them wonderful? it's a boat anchor.
| The 460 was based on the earlier 429 design (385 series engines) that were to be Fords answer to the big block Chevy. It was designed with performance and CID growth in mind and if the hammer hadn't fallen with emissions regs and high Insurance rates, who knows how big of an engine it might have grown into! With the 460 the extra cubes are there, but the engine had been reset to serve as a torque monster to get heavy luxury rigs and pickup trucks etc moving...BUT...the performance lineage is still there. A good set of earlier 429 CJ heads and a cam change/advancement will wake a 460 right up! Get into aftermarket heads and the like and you are looking at a very powerful engine without a lot of effort or outrageous cost. 429 CJ's themselves were underrated and actually put out over 1 hp per cubic inch! Around 440-450 hp from a stock engine! These engines were designed to be muscle car powerhouses...but ended up as an even bigger workhorse. Doesn't take much to turn that around!
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| | | Re: Abandoned Cars < Reply # 1936 on 8/4/2016 3:11 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Samurai
after years doing Fords, the FE was a better engine. The 428 was an animal compared to the 429. Unfortunately, our 79 Thunderbird has a 429CJ in it hooked to a C6. And yes, the hoodscoop works and had to be there... It was the only way the hood would close over the engine.
| The 428...CJ in particular, was a very impressive engine. A buddy of mine put one from a 68 Torino CJ into his 68 Mustang along with a top loader 4 spd from a 70 Torino CJ. With basic mods it was savage. It JUST fit in there too! Not sure if the Mustangs that came with FE's had special shock towers or not. His car was originally a 302 and it was super tight. Anyway, the thing to remember is the FE series was at the end of its development and pretty much maxed out size wise for a warranteed factory supplied engine using that block. The 385 series was at the start of its development and at its smallest intended size (429) when introduced. It was designed to grow in cubic inches and outperform the older engine in muscle cars...but only got used in a performance vehicle for 2 years and didn't get to grow at all. There was no point! The writing was on the wall for performance so that development was put aside and the 385 series was reset as a torque engine for the bigger machines. It just didn't get the chance or the workup that the FE got. EG...I've always thought the intake ports on the 429CJ were a little too big for that small of an engine and would be better suited to the 460 size. But, I think Ford saw the writing on the wall for performance cars and rushed it a bit to at least get a kick or two at the cat! LoL to say its a lesser engine than the FE is to say that the Ford engineers didn't know what they were doing! I'm pretty sure that isn't the case. If only it had come out a year or two earlier and gotten more factory race development, I think it would have given the Chevy big block a few nightmares that the FE series was just too limited to manage.
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| | | Re: Abandoned Cars < Reply # 1938 on 8/20/2016 4:37 PM > | Reply with Quote
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