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robk700 location: Los Angeles / D.C. Gender: Male \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 40 on 3/12/2010 3:40 AM >

	I bet there is an entrance to the Situation Room around there. Maybe...just maybe the Florida Door.

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Re: Peace Dove: End of Days
<Reply # 41 on 3/12/2010 4:01 AM >

You inspired me to buy a lottery ticket right now, so maybe you not going, inspired this conversation, making me think about lottery tickets, thus winning the lottery.

ahhh! but what if, had he gone, you had had a conversation about foil and balloons and toilets, in a gas station at like midnight, with an indian gas station attendant, and after which you had decided to buy a lottery ticket then, but only because he was there, and you WOULD have won, but he didnt go, so you missed the opportunity to buy the right ticket?

Exactly.

Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =)

OpenTrackRacer \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 42 on 3/12/2010 5:27 AM >

	It looks like you guys had a great time out there. You covered a lot of ground! I recognize pasts of the Columbia #2, War Eagle, Noonday (including the rear incline) and the large cavern at the end of the gully by the trestle. You even made it over to the talc mines. Well done! I'd glad you got to ride the ore cart. It's a heck of an experience. Some of the markings in the mine can be misleading. The ore cart is 450' below the surface and that incline below the headframe extends down to 541' below the surface. Underground Explorers California Abandoned Mine Exploration http://www.undergroundexplorers.com

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Re: Peace Dove: End of Days
<Reply # 43 on 3/12/2010 7:24 AM >

Posted by OpenTrackRacer You covered a lot of ground! I recognize pasts of the Columbia #2, War Eagle, Noonday (including the rear incline) and the large cavern at the end of the gully by the trestle.

Was there anything to that cave below the trestle. I assume, anyway, it was a cave created by a fault, clearly visible in the rock formations. We opted out of sliding down further than the main chamber but I'm itching to know if it was dug further.

P.S. You got a fair amount of people here with a fair amount of knowledge of the mojave preserve region. If you could use any help, on the next mission, give a shout. I camp and explore in the Ivanpah mountains twice a month. Also, I'm sure you are ten steps ahead but geologist Ted, over at the main office, has a database of 40,000 mines, 4k in the preserve proper. He's my contact when I want to see new stuff.

Therrin This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: North of Chicago, IL Gender: Male *Therrin puts on the penguin-suit \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 44 on 3/12/2010 8:46 AM >

	I'd loooooooooove to get a crack at that database rob. Ever since you mentioned the upcoming trip to see the "bridge to nowhere" ive been researching mines in that area... which led me to research the castaic and red rock canyon mines. They happen to only be about 20 miles or less from where I grew up, and also where I still go on a regular basis, up to the Lake Hughes area. So I'm looking at picking up a topo of the area and starting to mark off sites on it to check out and plan access routes to. Perhaps your friends database could help me put some of that info together. I'm still interested to go with you to the bridge. Apparently there are a few mines not far from there that would be worth checking out as well, in addition to the two that you posted me links to. PM me to see if I can get together with you on that trip. Maybe we could set up a "Mine Exploration" subsection on the forum, to get all of these threads and data together in one place. Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =)

Downhilleo location: Concord, ca Gender: Male Mines, railroads, history, maps, bicycles and old buildings-oh my. \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 45 on 3/12/2010 4:16 PM >

	http://www.starbuck.org/exploring/ Heres a site with some fairly extensive mine exploring. I wish I had time to cover this much ground.

OpenTrackRacer \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 46 on 3/12/2010 6:39 PM >

	That cave is very interesting. We've explored part of it but it continues down past the huge boulder that fell from the roof. We've never gone down all the way (we always seem to run out of time). We have some suspicions that it may connect to Noonday back incline at some point. We have a pretty good map of mines in that area as well. There are "40,000 mines" around those parts but 99% of them are simple prospects without any workings or drifts. However, we certainly don't know everything that's out there and we're always looking to share information so we can separate the wheat from the chaff and plan our trips better. Mike Underground Explorers California Abandoned Mine Exploration http://www.undergroundexplorers.com

Therrin This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: North of Chicago, IL Gender: Male *Therrin puts on the penguin-suit \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 47 on 3/12/2010 7:05 PM >

	OTR, yes we climbed down around the house-sized boulder and all the way down to the spot where they scree slides and falls down at the very far corner. It looks like perhaps a 20 ft drop from there. Didnt go down though. It does look like a fault line or a natural cave of some degree. I suppose the whole thing could have been stoped out, but I was leaning the other way on that. It's also kinda, whats the word... brecciated? There wasnt really a whole lot of natural pro that I was to keen on setting an anchor of of. The really good protrusions looked like they'd just snap off, and some of the other stuff I feared might slip or shift. I'm pretty sure if we used a 100ft line going AROUND one of the large floor chunks at the bottom of the original entrance area to the cave we could get a decent anchor point. Other than that, at the time I was half wishing I'd brought along some of my cams. Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =)

robk700 location: Los Angeles / D.C. Gender: Male \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 48 on 3/12/2010 7:15 PM >

	The great thing about Ted is that not only does he have maps, he's got a library of surveys on how deep or long each one is. Worth a call at the preserve HQ in Barstow. Just saying. The guy even looks like an old miner. [last edit 3/12/2010 7:18 PM by robk700 - edited 2 times]

OpenTrackRacer \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 49 on 3/12/2010 7:31 PM >

	In case anyone is wondering, here's the cavern and boulder in question... That sounds about as far as we descended as well. Finding good anchors is the real trick. I have to look again but I believe it's also possible to pick off an anchor higher up towards the drift and then route the rope to where it's needed. I'm pretty sure that's a natural cavern. I'm guessing they happened across it while chasing the fault line. I believe we saw evidence of that fault in the Noonday back incline but we'd been underground for well over 10 hours at that point and were too worn out to investigate it further. I forgot to ask... did you guys make it up to the higher levels of the War Eagle? I saw some areas that looked like they were near 511th Street. The detailed information about mine depths would be VERY useful. I may try and stop the office in Barstow next week and just say hi so we knows who I am. Mike Underground Explorers California Abandoned Mine Exploration http://www.undergroundexplorers.com

robk700 location: Los Angeles / D.C. Gender: Male \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 50 on 3/12/2010 7:51 PM >

	I'll let the other guys answer about War Eagle for I didn't do much there. BUT YES! The same fault reappears for a great distance in the vicinity of the torches, after the last vertical. Looks like there was another small natural cave there, the miners opened up further. :looks at the non believers: [last edit 3/12/2010 9:09 PM by robk700 - edited 1 times]

Therrin This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: North of Chicago, IL Gender: Male *Therrin puts on the penguin-suit \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 51 on 3/12/2010 8:19 PM >

	Yeah same cave. we just went down to the lip of that dropoff in the background behind you there. Nice lighting on that shot btw... ours kept getting filled with dust motes. For the War Eagle, we did everything from the rear entrance down to the bottom. We never actually went in the front entrance on that trip. The first night we got to the War Eagle I followed the rear entrance drift all the way back till it completely dead ends. Then on the way back, I saw one of the verticals w/ creepy looking ladders that led up to the next highest level. I actually climbed maybe 25 feet up it; but it was pretty sketchy and I didnt have gear on to anchor to the beams incase it gave out. It actually goes up pretty steep and then almost leans back on itself for a short distance before heading off into another smaller offshoot above, from what I could see. On an interesting note... while maneuvering through one of the lower level horizontal drifts on W.E. mine, I scurried down the scree slope of a stope that ran pretty steeply off the side of the main drift pathway. And strangely enough, at the bottom of the stope was another horizontal drift which went in both directions. I explored it to the "left" going solo, and it branched several times. That entire system isnt connected at all (as far as I could tell) to the next lower entire level down that we had just come up from. So it appears that there are drift systems within other drift systems, that arent connected by the main 45deg shaft or even some of the vertical shafts, but only through entrances at the bottom of some of the stopes. Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =)

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Re: Peace Dove: End of Days
<Reply # 52 on 3/13/2010 9:02 PM >

On an interesting note... while maneuvering through one of the lower level horizontal drifts on W.E. mine, I scurried down the scree slope of a stope that ran pretty steeply off the side of the main drift pathway. And strangely enough, at the bottom of the stope was another horizontal drift which went in both directions. I explored it to the "left" going solo, and it branched several times.
That entire system isnt connected at all (as far as I could tell) to the next lower entire level down that we had just come up from. So it appears that there are drift systems within other drift systems, that arent connected by the main 45deg shaft or even some of the vertical shafts, but only through entrances at the bottom of some of the stopes.

It would be interesting if it connected to one of the other mines in the area. There are enough near Front Side War Eagle that I believe it to be a strong possibility.

One thing that I think would be neat is to spend a day in there taking measurements of all the passages to create a accurate ma of the mine. Maybe in the future.

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Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't get in a car, I don't fucking ride in a car, I don't pick up the phone, I don't turn on the oven, and I sure as shit don't fucking roll!

Therrin This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: North of Chicago, IL Gender: Male *Therrin puts on the penguin-suit \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 53 on 3/14/2010 12:26 AM >

	Yeah I've been looking into some ways of mapping the stuff. We'll have to chat about that NigBiz. In a week or so I'm supposed to be getting together with an old friend of mine who still gets flown all over the place to speak at conferences about mine saftey and mining rescue stuff. He wants me to come up and have a chat with him so he can teach me about a bunch of mine-related stuff. Give a person a match and they'll be warm for a minute, but light them on fire and they'll be warm for the rest of their life. =)

nutekk location: Central NJ Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 54 on 3/14/2010 10:03 PM >

	this def is one of the top threads of all time. excellent story and photos too! i just love the truck stuck in the vertical! i can't stop laughing. makes me wanna take an old clunker and let it go ! awesome!!! keep posting ! cheers ! " Take only pictures, leave only footprints"

earthworm location: General Area Gender: Male \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 55 on 3/14/2010 10:18 PM >

	Shit, to think I missed this for slab city... Tourism, human circulation considered as consumption is fundamentally nothing more than the leisure of going to see what has become banal.

OpenTrackRacer \| \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 56 on 3/15/2010 6:32 AM >

	The War Eagle connects to the Grant Mine (the first two shafts past the trestle past Noonday east adit). Access is via a winze a ways down the War Eagle east adit (past the double incline). Mike Underground Explorers California Abandoned Mine Exploration http://www.undergroundexplorers.com

robk700 location: Los Angeles / D.C. Gender: Male \|	Re: Peace Dove: End of Days <Reply # 57 on 3/15/2010 7:51 AM >

	I got my left/right ascenders yesterday. I threw Pmorodi down a strait 35 ft shaft, in the Mojave Preserver, and he made it all the way back up with a smile. Sorry I didn't post our camping trip in advance but we kinda decided on it at 1am the night before. In other news we found 4 more structures and an additional truck in the Riley area. That makes a total of 4 small camps along the Ivanpah hillside. Just when you think you've seen it all... Earthwarm, we repeled down the ladder I showed you at New Era #1. I'm glad we had ropes. The shaft was flooded, though, from the recent snows and we couldn't follow the horizontal at the bottom. For the april mojave event we have plenty of 40 ft drops to do. The big 100+ ones are so scetch, though, with all the loose rock. Therin I'll let u go first. Aiken Mine is F$%^ing! insane!!! Photos to come. [last edit 3/15/2010 8:00 AM by robk700 - edited 1 times]

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Re: Peace Dove: End of Days
<Reply # 58 on 3/15/2010 9:46 AM >

For the april mojave event we have plenty of 40 ft drops to do. The big 100+ ones are so scetch, though, with all the loose rock. Therin I'll let u go first.

Wow, whoever said that only a man really knows how to please another man...REALLY KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT!!!

Rob I'm so happy you're giving me first dibs at the big one, you can have seconds, but if it's anywhere near as loose as you think, it'll prolly be pretty messy down there by then.

AWESOME!!!!

Glad you've been getting some sweet vertical action in Rob, lookin forward to maaaaaaaybbbbbbeeeeeee going on the april trip. It just seems like there's so much on the schedule and not enough time to really get to know a site before moving on to another one. If I'm gonna go down one of those places, I want like, at least 4 hrs to do my work. That 20 mins stuff just doesnt cut it.

=P (This is me laughing my ass off)

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Re: Peace Dove: End of Days
<Reply # 59 on 3/15/2010 4:40 PM >

Are you using two handled ascenders on a single rope? That can be a tough way to climb!

Mike

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I got my left/right ascenders yesterday. I threw Pmorodi down a strait 35 ft shaft, in the Mojave Preserver, and he made it all the way back up with a smile.

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