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mortimer location: teronno \| \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 20 on 1/3/2008 2:35 AM >

	To the original poster: exploring a working hospital with an urge to discover what it's all about is as much 'real' ue as visiting an abandoned hospital you've seen here 45 times in the last month. Perhaps more so. See http://infiltratio...hotels-stmike.html for example. yep.

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 21 on 1/3/2008 5:52 AM >

Posted by mortimer
To the original poster: exploring a working hospital with an urge to discover what it's all about is as much 'real' ue as visiting an abandoned hospital you've seen here 45 times in the last month. Perhaps more so. See http://infiltratio...hotels-stmike.html for example.

Maybe too real. Fucking with the sick, the dying, and the impaired, be intentional or not, is prolly the lamest thing anyone can do. While it's nothing hot like a DOD site, it has the potential to really rub people the wrong way.

There's more to UE than just hospitals that is surely the truth. Large industry in the US is dead and decaying, and prolly more fun to shoot anyway.

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 22 on 1/3/2008 6:59 AM >

i agree with and approve this message.

also, there are things you really don't want to be exposed to in hospital environments. my mom has had to remove decayed flesh on wounds of people who have necrotizing fasciitis a.k.a. flesh-eating bacteria. and she's an LPN in the wound care unit, not somewhere you'd expect to find something that hazardous.

so again, you don't want to encounter either biohazards or security or police while in a hospital as all are fairly serious. risk it if you like, but i still don't recommend it.

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 23 on 1/3/2008 7:19 AM >

Posted by everybodyknows

i agree with and approve this message.

also, there are things you really don't want to be exposed to in hospital environments. my mom has had to remove decayed flesh on wounds of people who have necrotizing fasciitis a.k.a. flesh-eating bacteria. and she's an LPN in the wound care unit, not somewhere you'd expect to find something that hazardous.

so again, you don't want to encounter either biohazards or security or police while in a hospital as all are fairly serious. risk it if you like, but i still don't recommend it.

Funny you mention that. Biohazards are a real fuck. It can but as insignificant as some dried blood on a object infected with HepB that your paper cut rubs across.
Resistant bacteria strains (real nasty stuff) are commonly found through out hospitals on contact surfaces such as door knobs.
A lot of hospital workers become infected with TB too. It's an airborne hazard.
Normally I like to avoid active hospitals as much as possible.

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 24 on 1/3/2008 7:38 AM >

Posted by blackhawk

Maybe too real. Fucking with the sick, the dying, and the impaired, be intentional or not, is prolly the lamest thing anyone can do. While it's nothing hot like a DOD site, it has the potential to really rub people the wrong way.

There's more to UE than just hospitals that is surely the truth. Large industry in the US is dead and decaying, and prolly more fun to shoot anyway.

Totally agree!

The sick, elderly, dying, impaired, etc, and the environment they live in don't need added pressures of clowns who just want to "look around". Many hospitals and their staff are maxed out to the limit, and don't need to deal with issues of those who don't need to be there. There should be some sites that should be respected. Also, the nurses, doctors, technicians, security (including police/campus police), families, etc, don't need to be seeing jokers taking pictures and acting all weird in a place that already has added stressors. I can see the appeal to it (hospitals seem interesting with all the departments, hallways, maintenance tunnels, renovations, etc), but to those who think it's cool, think about if you were a patient, or having a loved one in such a facility.

I also know that security is very tight in many hospitals, and that they don't fool around with trespassers. Staff/employees, patients, visitors are encouraged to notify security if they see people walking around without an ID badge, or if they are acting suspicious. I know, because I work in a hospital, and d/t 9-11, patient confidentiality laws, possible disease transmissions, security is taken more serious today than even 10 years ago.

There are many more interesting sites at industrial parks and abandoned strip malls to visit.

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 25 on 1/3/2008 7:39 AM >

Posted by blackhawk
A lot of hospital workers become infected with TB too. It's an airborne hazard.
Normally I like to avoid active hospitals as much as possible.

We had an 'incident(hospital's term)' not too long ago where a woman came into our hospital for something relatively minor who also happened to be infected with TB...they didn't test her(it was in her medical history and 'overlooked', believe it or not)and find out until about a week later-after she'd shared a room with another patient for several days, and most of the staff had worked with her(myself included)without the benefit of masks. A lot of us and her former roommate had to get tested(No TB for me, thank God)...
Moral of the story? Be very careful when poking around a hospital!

I was thinking about how people seem to read the Bible a whole lot more as they get older; then it dawned on me - they're cramming for their final exam...

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 26 on 1/3/2008 8:16 AM >

Posted by LunarLumen

Totally agree!

The sick, elderly, dying, impaired, etc, and the environment they live in don't need added pressures of clowns who just want to "look around". Many hospitals and their staff are maxed out to the limit, and don't need to deal with issues of those who don't need to be there. There should be some sites that should be respected. Also, the nurses, doctors, technicians, security (including police/campus police), families, etc, don't need to be seeing jokers taking pictures and acting all weird in a place that already has added stressors. I can see the appeal to it (hospitals seem interesting with all the departments, hallways, maintenance tunnels, renovations, etc), but to those who think it's cool, think about if you were a patient, or having a loved one in such a facility.

I also know that security is very tight in many hospitals, and that they don't fool around with trespassers. Staff/employees, patients, visitors are encouraged to notify security if they see people walking around without an ID badge, or if they are acting suspicious. I know, because I work in a hospital, and d/t 9-11, patient confidentiality laws, possible disease transmissions, security is taken more serious today than even 10 years ago.

There are many more interesting sites at industrial parks and abandoned strip malls to visit.

911 changed everything, as has the internet. Smart cameras are too real and getting cheaper and more sophisticated by the year.

Messing with people going to or at a funeral, or a sick/injured/impaired person, is just begging for pain and trouble.
Most states have stiff laws for for those who don't respect a person's right to be housed in peace and with privacy.

Ha-ha, the living are always trouble!

Posted by Crazyman

We had an 'incident(hospital's term)' not too long ago where a woman came into our hospital for something relatively minor who also happened to be infected with TB...they didn't test her(it was in her medical history and 'overlooked', believe it or not)and find out until about a week later-after she'd shared a room with another patient for several days, and most of the staff had worked with her(myself included)without the benefit of masks. A lot of us and her former roommate had to get tested(No TB for me, thank God)...
Moral of the story? Be very careful when poking around a hospital!

I dated two girls that contracted TB when I was seeing them.
One worked at a hospital, and the other at a nursing home. Any time someone has a deep chest cough be wary, but it can manifest it's self in many forms, as you know all too well.
No rhyme or reason to TB transmission sometimes; I've never went positive to spite prolonged close contact. gulp.
I get tested every now and then, as there's plenty of it out there.
Real nasty stuff.

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 27 on 1/3/2008 1:22 PM >

OK I guess blackhawks right I would never explore someplace that had bio-hazardous med waste:

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But enough with the smart cameras already youve got me dodging all security cameras and wearing bandannas over my face now and contemplating fake beards for disguises out of paranoia!

(disclaimer: exploring the "public accessable" parts of a hospital is just lame, somebody has to say it. call it urban exploring if you want but its on par with exploring the public accessable waiting line at the post office, or the lobby of the Holiday Inn! No guts, no medical waste, no glory!)

RochesterUE Gender: Male I'm a piggie! \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 28 on 1/3/2008 6:06 PM >

	I am an EMT and get to go to all the area hospitals. Security is maxed out at all of them, and unless I'm dressed in my uniform you ain't going nowhere. Every time I go to the hospitals when most of it is closed, I always wander. Usually I "wander" into the maternitiy ward, as they have the best ice water http://cat.org.au/~predator/approach.txt There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part; you can't even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop...

mortimer location: teronno \| \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 29 on 1/3/2008 6:36 PM >

	Most of the interesting areas in the average hospital don't house patients, I wasn't advocating for checking out the cancer kids ward. Seriously, when did urban exploration turn into abandoned building exploration? I've found abandoned areas in hospitals, unfinished construction areas, maintenance/equipment areas, all kinds of fun stuff. So far I haven't a) contracted tb, b) slipped in a pile of necrotizing faciitis leftovers, c) encountered police (except in the waiting area in the ER) d) had trouble with security (except near the ER) or e) invaded the privacy of any patient. But then, I'm just a curious person that likes to see what's behind closed doors, and sometimes a photographer, I'm not really an urban explorer anyways. Edited to add: The 'trouble' I had with security entailed a guard asking 'what are you doing back here?,' me replying 'just seeing what was here,' him saying 'you can't be back here,' and me saying 'okay, sorry,' and leaving. Just thought I'd mention that. [last edit 1/3/2008 6:38 PM by mortimer - edited 1 times] yep.

Explorer Zero \| \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 30 on 1/3/2008 11:33 PM >

	Well, exploring live buildings is definitely worthy of the effort ie. exploring, Ive even done a few of those myself! (just not the places John & Jane Q. Public or any other random person off the street are allowed to access) . period Now that this is in the rookie section where it should be, I wont advocate any further risk taking or invasion of patient privacy etc, but do I think way too many people limit themselves or their concept of what this is all about to "abandonments" when theres a shit load of fun and even some adrenalin to be had while sneaking in active places either by stealth or by ruse . period And blackhawk Im just havin fun with you about the smart cams, even though I really am having bad dreams about those now, thanks to you hopes 2X handsome countenance isnt in some domestic terrorist watch list data base now!

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 31 on 1/4/2008 1:14 AM >

Posted by 2Xplorations
Well, exploring live buildings is definitely worthy of the effort ie. exploring, Ive even done a few of those myself!

i won't disagree with you there, there is plenty to be seen in active sites but some are best left alone. mall, hotels, etc, etc, i have no problem with. active hospitals, morgues, and funeral homes i wouldn't really condone. the latter 2 out of respect for the deceased and the first out of respect for the living (and because i'm a bit of a germophobe and know that there's more sickness flying around hospitals than anywhere else).

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broaddaylight location: new joisey Gender: Female thats me on the left, notice how im eye level with his man meat \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 32 on 1/4/2008 2:48 AM >

	Dude, I say this with the the utmost respect, get some confidence, do what you want, all of your posts are of you asking if its ok to do this, or should you go there, or is this outfit ok for ue, or is this bag ok. Who cares? just do your fukin thing and get on with it, do you seriously wait for responses from this board before you make a move or are you asking these questions just messing around? If you are being serious, then put your balls in your hand and take them out of your fancy new bag, and go drop kick open the door to the active hospital while giving the finger to the security camera, and knock some people out with your tripod, take the filters off your lens and chuck them off the roof like frisbees and get on with your life. Sheesh! You ask the guy in the stall next to you if its OK to wipe your ass after you take a dump? Steal only whatever you can run with comfortably and leave no footprints

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 33 on 1/4/2008 5:10 AM >

Posted by 2Xplorations
Well, exploring live buildings is definitely worthy of the effort ie. exploring, Ive even done a few of those myself!

(just not the places John & Jane Q. Public or any other random person off the street are allowed to access) . period

Now that this is in the rookie section where it should be, I wont advocate any further risk taking or invasion of patient privacy etc, but do I think way too many people limit themselves or their concept of what this is all about to "abandonments" when theres a shit load of fun and even some adrenalin to be had while sneaking in active places either by stealth or by ruse . period

And blackhawk Im just havin fun with you about the smart cams, even though I really am having bad dreams about those now, thanks to you

hopes 2X handsome countenance isnt in some domestic terrorist watch list data base now!

Smart cameras are holy terrors. Most are fixed cameras; many systems require this, so they appear to be a "cheap" or even a fake non-panning camera. The camera gives no indication many times of the software that's driving it. Many times the cameras are so far away you won't even spot them; they can do one thousand yards easy. A three camera CPU and software are about $20G and even this system can do some surprising things including looking for specific activities by people or vehicles. It can recognizes and remembers faces, tag numbers, vehicle type, color, etc.
Damn things are impressive.

Posted by broaddaylight
Dude, I say this with the the utmost respect, get some confidence, do what you want, all of your posts are of you asking if its ok to do this, or should you go there, or is this outfit ok for ue, or is this bag ok. Who cares? just do your fukin thing and get on with it, do you seriously wait for responses from this board before you make a move or are you asking these questions just messing around?

If you are being serious, then put your balls in your hand and take them out of your fancy new bag, and go drop kick open the door to the active hospital while giving the finger to the security camera, and knock some people out with your tripod, take the filters off your lens and chuck them off the roof like frisbees and get on with your life.

Sheesh!

You ask the guy in the stall next to you if its OK to wipe your ass after you take a dump?

Some things are best left alone, if not out of respect, then maybe self preservation. For instance, screwing around an active VA hospital could become intensely trying and expensive.
The FBI still makes house calls.
It's no joke, and confidence doesn't work if you have something they want. They don't stop, and a field agent has the authority to investigate and prosecute any crime, be it municipal, state, or federal.

Many places can be seen and photographed simply by asking, something to consider if you have a sincere interest in a particular active site.
The results can be quite pleasing.

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broaddaylight location: new joisey Gender: Female thats me on the left, notice how im eye level with his man meat \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 34 on 1/4/2008 11:49 AM >

	ahhhh, I was half joking Steal only whatever you can run with comfortably and leave no footprints

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Re: Should I explore a working hospital?
<Reply # 35 on 1/4/2008 1:23 PM >

Posted by broaddaylight
ahhhh, I was half joking

That's what I sort of thought...

Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.

Calvin Kaneda location: West Coast Ninja/East Coast Pirate. Gender: Male \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 36 on 1/10/2008 1:58 PM >

	Actually- I just spent a few hours yesterday exploring my first real site. I did all the research I could and figured I would drive out there and find an old Kirkbride and a few other buildings. Nope. We pulled up and said, “Well, the Kirk isn’t there anymore, but maybe a few of the smaller buildings are. We should drive around and look.” We drove around for a bit. As in, we drove onto the campus and found the “old” campus had been converted to a “new” campus. As in, this is still a fully functional hospital, but hey, there are a few cool old buildings. A local (dude at the gas station) had said, “Yeah, I think I remember some older creepy looking buildings in the back, just keep going east.” We headed east, through the campus, to the back. And found a very, very old patient building. It was fucking awesome. See, I have been ARMCHAIR URBAN EXPLORING thru this site and a few others, seen the pictures of the famous abandoned hospitals, and have been looking, and trying and asking friends for two years to do this. Nothing. Until yesterday. I did it. I fucking did it, and, to top it off, my girlfriend went with me – like the trooper she is. She was with me on my first real UE experience. I would love to give a full report and show you guys my pictures. I just need to figure out in which forum. Now to the point. I did not do my research. I really, really fucked up. I took my girlfriend to a STATE HOSPITAL FOR THE CRIMIANLY INSANE. Like, it’s still FUCKING ACTIVE. That means, dangerous rapist and murders, who are so fucked up they can’t be put into a “normal prison”. That means real fucking cops. So, on to lunatic central, pig country . “Come on babe, remember that picture of 93 at KPPC? Well, we’re gonna go find our own byberry and get the morgue shot. We’re going to get the lonely chair, the rusted out barber’s chair in the basement. The long hallway of open doors. The autopsy table!” I got the hallway shot. I also almost got into some serious fucking trouble. But I am hooked now more then ever. Oh my god it’s over for me. I will see KPPC. I will see a few others before they become condos. And for as stupid as I was I also for one second thought (before I got out of the car) “This could be serious trouble, but I have no idea and so there for I have nor fear, so I’m gonna fuckin’ go for it.” I can’t begin to tell you how great it was. You know it’s going to be great. But when you do it for the first time, when you really get Jedi/Ninja style… Fucking go for it man. Go where you shouldn’t go. Just go smart. "By the prick of my thumb something wicked this way comes..." "Under the cover of night, I travel across rooftops while you dream of adventure."

Calvin Kaneda location: West Coast Ninja/East Coast Pirate. Gender: Male \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 37 on 1/10/2008 2:00 PM >

	-And keep the girlfriend out of danger. [last edit 1/10/2008 2:01 PM by Calvin Kaneda - edited 1 times] "By the prick of my thumb something wicked this way comes..." "Under the cover of night, I travel across rooftops while you dream of adventure."

blackhawk This member has been banned. See the banlist for more information. location: Mission Control UER newbie \| \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 38 on 1/10/2008 3:53 PM >

	FUCKING pictures... or it never happened. Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.

Calvin Kaneda location: West Coast Ninja/East Coast Pirate. Gender: Male \|	Re: Should I explore a working hospital? <Reply # 39 on 1/10/2008 5:13 PM >

	Okay. I just want to say, that it being my first time in there, and rushed, it was more about the experience than the pictures. But still, give me some time and a few more locations, and you'll see my stuff up for critique and constructive criticism. So here are a few of them. This happened yesterday... And just so you know, I lay awake last night thinking about all the shots I didn't get and how I wished I had brought the tripod. "By the prick of my thumb something wicked this way comes..." "Under the cover of night, I travel across rooftops while you dream of adventure."

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