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 Krenta
   
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
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<Reply # 60 on 5/6/2010 4:45 PM >
|  | | | Gotta catch him, first. :/ Which means someone's got to call the police, and hang around or follow him until an officer arrives.
Regrettably, tasers are a bit of a grey area in MN law. They're normally considered as akin to pepper spray, i.e. not really regulated; the exceptions are if they're used against a peace officer or in the commission of a crime.
You can't have a taser (or pepper spray) if you're under 18, have been convicted of a crime of violence, or have been committed by a court to a treatment facility for mental illness. See the tricky bit there? Not all EDPs have been committed against their will by a court, so merely being - or having been - in (voluntary) treatment or therapy doesn't disqualify you from owning a taser. Or a pistol. Or a semi-automatic rifle, actually.
All I can say is, if you see the guy, legitimately feel threatened by him, and want to do him and society a favor, call the police (651/291-1111) and tell them there's an individual brandishing a taser and acting erratically. (Island Station is "384 Randolph Avenue", FYI, but be sure to mention that it's the old power plant, as well.) Otherwise, stay at least thirty feet away...
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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Smurf
 
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
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<Reply # 61 on 5/6/2010 9:19 PM >
| | | | It doesn't matter if you have actually been committed or not. If you have been in any type of treatment facility, willfully or otherwise, it will show up on your medical records and they wont let you have any type of firearms or tasers.
Also, if someone is in possession of a taser while trespassing that would qualify as being used in the commission of a crime. On the other hand, do we really need more police attention at that place? If you are going to step outside the bounds of the law and go exploring in a place like that, be prepared to accept the fact that there might very well be a bald guy with a taser gun. If thats a problem for you then just don't go there.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 62 on 5/7/2010 12:36 AM >
| | | | Posted by Pickaxe
It doesn't matter if you have actually been committed or not. If you have been in any type of treatment facility, willfully or otherwise, it will show up on your medical records and they wont let you have any type of firearms or tasers.
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That's true for any sort of firearm you need to register, but I'm almost certain that's not the case in MN law for tasers.
Consider MN statute 624.731, subd. 3:
Subd. 3.Prohibited possession; use.
(a) No person under the age of 16 may possess or use an authorized tear gas compound except by written permission of a parent or guardian, and no person under the age of 18 may possess or use an electronic incapacitation device.
(b) No person prohibited from possessing a pistol pursuant to section 624.713, subdivision 1, clause (2), may possess or use an authorized tear gas compound or an electronic incapacitation device.
(c) No person prohibited from possessing a pistol pursuant to section 624.713, subdivision 1, clauses (3) to (5), may possess or use an authorized tear gas compound or an electronic incapacitation device, except that the certificate or other proof required for possession of a handgun shall not apply.
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Section 624.713, sub 1, clause 2 says:
(2) except as otherwise provided in clause (9), a person who has been convicted of, or adjudicated delinquent or convicted as an extended jurisdiction juvenile for committing, in this state or elsewhere, a crime of violence. For purposes of this section, crime of violence includes crimes in other states or jurisdictions which would have been crimes of violence as herein defined if they had been committed in this state;
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Section 624.714 sub 1, clauses 3 through 5, say:
(3) a person who is or has ever been committed in Minnesota or elsewhere by a judicial determination that the person is mentally ill, developmentally disabled, or mentally ill and dangerous to the public, as defined in section 253B.02, to a treatment facility, or who has ever been found incompetent to stand trial or not guilty by reason of mental illness, unless the person's ability to possess a firearm has been restored under subdivision 4;
(4) a person who has been convicted in Minnesota or elsewhere of a misdemeanor or gross misdemeanor violation of chapter 152, unless three years have elapsed since the date of conviction and, during that time, the person has not been convicted of any other such violation of chapter 152 or a similar law of another state; or a person who is or has ever been committed by a judicial determination for treatment for the habitual use of a controlled substance or marijuana, as defined in sections 152.01 and 152.02, unless the person's ability to possess a firearm has been restored under subdivision 4;
(5) a person who has been committed to a treatment facility in Minnesota or elsewhere by a judicial determination that the person is chemically dependent as defined in section 253B.02, unless the person has completed treatment or the person's ability to possess a firearm has been restored under subdivision 4. Property rights may not be abated but access may be restricted by the courts;
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(emphasis mine)
Section 152 covers drugs and controlled substances.
Merely having been in treatment does not, as far as I can tell, preclude one from owning a taser under MN law; you have to have been committed "by judicial determination" to be prohibited from possessing one.
Also, not to be a complete dick, but the state differentiates between the possession of a "weapon" or "dangerous weapon" and the use of either of these during a crime. As near as I can tell from reading the statutes, a taser is only a "weapon" when it is actively used (including displayed or brandished) to commit a crime. Unless you, I dunno, busted out a window with it or something, I really don't see how you could get charged with using a taser in the commission of trespass in an abandoned building...
Robbery (breaking into an occupied building) is another matter, but not really relevant WRT Island Station.
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 63 on 5/7/2010 1:39 AM >
| | | | Having a taser doesn't need to be illegal, as him being there at ISP is illegal enough. But what kind of explorer is gonna call the cops on someone for trespassing? its almost as stupid as calling the cops cuz they have a taser at ISP. Besides you wouldn't have to worry about this hypothetical taser unless he uses it on you, in which case it is being used in the commission of a crime
Now, in my experience with the saint paul police, upon application for a permit to possess a firearm they will deny you simply if you have any sort of treatment on your medical record. They wont go any further than that (ie check the court records to see if you were committed) so while I'm sure if it went to court and someone pointed out the fact that they weren't committed they might be let off, any sort of check the cops do wont take being committed or not into consideration.
But who cares I'm not a lawyer, just an explorer
[last edit 5/7/2010 1:43 AM by Smurf - edited 1 times]
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 64 on 5/7/2010 1:57 AM >
| | | | Also, even if he weren't allowed to have a taser the only way that would be determined is if he was arrested for committing some other crime while in possession of it. You can't just get the cops on someone because you suspect they might not be legally allowed to have a taser. The emphasis of the police involvement in that scenario would be either trespassing or ,as you mentioned, if someone had perceived the guy to be threatening.
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 65 on 5/7/2010 2:03 AM >
| | | | ah crap I hate it when you post in a thread before u read the first 3 pages
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 66 on 5/7/2010 2:06 AM >
| | | | When would you apply to the SPPD for a permit to possess a firearm, though? AFAIK they don't process federal background checks for gun purchases, and the RCSO are the people on this side of the river to whom you submit a CCW application in vain...
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 67 on 5/7/2010 2:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by Pickaxe
Also, even if he weren't allowed to have a taser the only way that would be determined is if he was arrested for committing some other crime while in possession of it. You can't just get the cops on someone because you suspect they might not be legally allowed to have a taser. The emphasis of the police involvement in that scenario would be either trespassing or ,as you mentioned, if someone had perceived the guy to be threatening.
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If you've ever met this dude - which you clearly haven't - you'd understand that he'd be arrestable in a heartbeat, probably for making terroristic threats. The guy walks around talking to himself, waving a fucking taser around in the open, hello, and engaging in arguments with inanimate objects.
People have called the police on this guy before, but he's never there when they arrive. Hence my query as to whether he seems to be squatting Island Station, as that would make him a lot easier to get off the streets. IMO, the guy's a legitimate danger, and I'm all for people taking the necessary steps to get him help. Like Freak said above, the first time he points that thing - which has a red targeting laser on it, FYI - at a nervous jogger with a CCW, he's going to get himself killed.
If you're all "I'z a hardened urban explorer kosher criminal, bitch, I don't calls the fuckin' five-oh on nobodies for no reason whatsofuckinever, knamean?" that's your lifestyle choice, and more power to you 'cause you're probably, regrettably, in the huge majority here. A teensy handful of people here feel otherwise.
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 68 on 5/7/2010 2:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
If you're all "I'z a hardened urban explorer kosher criminal, bitch, I don't calls the fuckin' five-oh on nobodies for no reason whatsofuckinever, knamean?" that's your lifestyle choice, and more power to you 'cause you're probably, regrettably, in the huge majority here. A teensy handful of people here feel otherwise.
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yea, I haven't ever seen this guy, I just like arguing - something we apparently have in common
While I am a criminal, bitch, my philosophy is more along the humble lines of I break the law every day as a hobby, so who am I to decide now that this guy should be arrested and that what I'm doing is totally excusable?. Or maybe I'm a libertarian and I feel that its OK for me to trespass in places where I could die or be seriously injured and since I expect people to not call the cops on me for putting myself in danger then why should I call the cops on this guy with a taser that might get himself shot? people get their kicks in weird ways. Now if he actually assaults someone I might take a slightly different stance on it but just cuz there's a possible drug addict with a weapon I really don't think its any of our problems. There are plenty of street people downtown you can feel free to try to suggest help to if you feel like its your place to help people like that.
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 69 on 5/7/2010 3:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by Krenta
When would you apply to the SPPD for a permit to possess a firearm, though? AFAIK they don't process federal background checks for gun purchases, and the RCSO are the people on this side of the river to whom you submit a CCW application in vain...
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In order to buy a firearm in MN (or in order to get your gun back from the cops after they took it from you since they dont like drunk people walking around with pistols) you have to apply for a permit to purchase, where they determine you eligibility to possess a firearm under MN law.
(Application for minnesota state permit to acquire handguns from a federal firearms dealer)
Federal firearms dealers are any store u can buy guns from. pawn shops, etc.
you don't need to get a permit to purchase if you are getting a firearm from a third party or from a gun show, but if you wouldn't pass the background check for a permit to purchase, you wouldn't be entitled to possess a handgun or assault rifle anyway.
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Faribo
Location: Right Here
Gender: Male
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 70 on 5/9/2010 6:16 AM >
| | | | Wow i leave for a few weeks and this shit gets hijacked! Hahaha. nice discussion though.
Faribo (a.k.a. Grand Master Flash) |
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Slim Jim
Noble Donor
Location: St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Maze is 100% done now!!! Someday when it's -10 out and the generators won't start I might upload th
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<Reply # 71 on 5/9/2010 8:40 AM >
| | | | Meow.
I want to be different. But I want to be different just like everybody else, because if I really were different, everybody would think I was crazy and weird.
Iowa is Minnesota's bitch. There's an art to pooping. |
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Air
   
Location: Canada
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 72 on 5/9/2010 7:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Freak
Again with the fire??? Damn that Ikea stuff is a combustion hazard!
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glue and chipboard? No doubt!!!
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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GloWorm
Location: South from North
Sun up the cunt daily
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<Reply # 73 on 5/10/2010 3:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
glue and chipboard? No doubt!!!
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LOL
Let us not be confused with kaleidoscopic reality. |
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Axman
Location: St.Paul, MN
Gender: Male
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 74 on 11/19/2010 8:29 AM >
| | | | Swedes. Gotta love the fact that they discover North America, but they can't make furniture worth a damn. (Making fun of myself here.)
[last edit 11/19/2010 8:30 AM by Axman - edited 1 times]
The truth can set you free.....Or get you killed. |
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LaughingMan
I go where others don't
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 75 on 11/20/2010 4:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by sweetj
there is a bald man with a stun gun or taser in or around the island station.
be warned!
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pics or gtfo
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scatwomb
Location: duluth
Gender: Male
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 76 on 11/22/2010 5:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by LaughingMan
pics or gtfo
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i've got no pics, therefore, he doesn't exist.
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Smurf
Location: Salt Lake City / Saint Paul
Gender: Male
Sanitary sewers are smarter than the ghetto in spring time
| | | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 77 on 11/22/2010 7:58 PM >
| | | | Exploring and tasers seem to go hand in hand these days.
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Hot NASA
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul
Gender: Male
| | Re: st paul island station power plant
<Reply # 79 on 1/18/2011 3:21 AM >
| | | | I stopped at the power plant to recharge my taser!
[last edit 1/18/2011 3:21 AM by Hot NASA - edited 1 times]
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